SuicideKings 2011-12 NBA Thread

**alamo** · 01-05-12, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by suicidekings

No account at BWin. That would have been a nice bonus though. Do they often have early lines not available other places?

Not really sure SK. I have accounts at a good few of the European books (Im in Europe) and rarely bet with them but I did happen to check their price when you posted. Curiously they were the first of the european books to post odds and noone else had posted. I hit it so wouldnt be surprised if they go back to being slow about posting first again.

**suicidekings** · 01-05-12, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by suicidekings

1/4

Denver -12 (+100) x1
Cavs +5 (-105) x1
Cavs/Raptors Over 191 (-110) x1

In retrospect, I don't know what I was thinking putting my faith in the Cavs on a B2B...

1/4: 1-2 (-1.15u)
YTD: 14-15-1 (-0.04u)

**suicidekings** · 01-05-12, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by alamo

Not really sure SK. I have accounts at a good few of the European books (Im in Europe) and rarely bet with them but I did happen to check their price when you posted. Curiously they were the first of the european books to post odds and noone else had posted. I hit it so wouldnt be surprised if they go back to being slow about posting first again.

Hmmm... In this case it didn't really matter. I've seen other books get aggressive in posting early lines several times. 5Dimes has gotten owned badly multiple times doing this, so I would have to think that anyone that's sticking their neck out early (ahead of Greek/Bookmaker/Pinny) has to lose more than they win on such games.

**suicidekings** · 01-05-12, 05:40 PM

1/5

Bucks -2 (-114) x2

Sacramento now playing their 5th game in 6 days and shot 32% last night (including 2 of 21 on 3pt shots). Almost 60% of their offense came from two players (Thornton & Cousins). This team is gassed and Milwaukee will be ready to take advantage tonight.

**demens** · 01-05-12, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by suicidekings

1/5

Bucks -2 (-114) x2

Sacramento now playing their 5th game in 6 days and shot 32% last night (including 2 of 21 on 3pt shots). Almost 60% of their offense came from two players (Thornton & Cousins). This team is gassed and Milwaukee will be ready to take advantage tonight.

I'm going with the opposite today. I can't get that amazing run (of covering) the Kings had last year playing 4in5 type schedule (dont remeber exactly what it was) on the road and covering vs good teams.

No Boguy, no Westphal, i think Cousins goes off tonight as do the Kings.

**suicidekings** · 01-05-12, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by suicidekings

1/5 Bucks -2 (-114) x2

Heat -2 (-110) x2

Miami got smacked in the mouth a bit in their last game against Atlanta, and I think the Heat even things out tonight with a win. The Heat are on a 4in5 that included two easy home wins against Charlotte & Indiana, while Atlanta is now playing their 7th game in 10 days and the first of 3 in a row.

**riffraff24** · 01-05-12, 06:04 PM

Do you know if Wade and Lebron are in?

**suicidekings** · 01-05-12, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by demens

I'm going with the opposite today. I can't get that amazing run (of covering) the Kings had last year playing 4in5 type schedule (dont remeber exactly what it was) on the road and covering vs good teams. No Boguy, no Westphal, i think Cousins goes off tonight as do the Kings.

In the second game of B2Bs last year, Sac was 6-8-1 ATS, including 1-2 ATS in 4in5 games with that one win coming against Detroit by 0.5 pts. I'm not sure what you're seeing in these numbers.

**dlunc3** · 01-05-12, 06:15 PM

my book had miami -3 at 6:10... it has dropped to a pk just 5 minutes later.... they must know something we dont yet

**suicidekings** · 01-05-12, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by riffraff24

Do you know if Wade and Lebron are in?

Lebron is playing. Wade appears to be a gametime decision, but I really think he plays in this game given who they're facing, however that could mean 20 minutes or it could mean 35 minutes. He could have as many as 4 days off after this game if he sits against New Jersey.

**inn_keeper** · 01-05-12, 06:17 PM

Rotoworld saying LeBron is on the court testing out the ankle, game time decision.

**demens** · 01-05-12, 06:20 PM

I'm talking about this stretch of games: It does include the 4in5 in Det. Not exactly he same kind of schedule as this year but thats 7 games in 12 days, 6 of them on the round and they went 5-1-1. For as crappy as they were last year that was pretty impressive.

**dlunc3** · 01-05-12, 06:20 PM

mia now +1

**suicidekings** · 01-05-12, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by dlunc3

my book had miami -3 at 6:10... it has dropped to a pk just 5 minutes later.... they must know something we dont yet

Crap. I would assume that means Wade is out. Down to pk at Pinny as well. The thing is, I really don't see Miami laying down in this game at all. Even down Wade, this is a team that can make adjustments to counter the Hawks Zone. 90 minutes left to think about it...

**demens** · 01-05-12, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by suicidekings

Lebron is playing. Wade appears to be a gametime decision, but I really think he plays in this game given who they're facing, however that could mean 20 minutes or it could mean 35 minutes. He could have as many as 4 days off after this game if he sits against New Jersey.

what makes you so sure?

line is plummeting to 1 heavily juiced.

**demens** · 01-05-12, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by suicidekings

Crap. I would assume that means Wade is out. Down to pk at Pinny as well. The thing is, I really don't see Miami laying down in this game at all. Even down Wade, this is a team that can make adjustments to counter the Hawks Zone. 90 minutes left to think about it...

There is no way line would be this low if 1 of them was playing IMO. They are both out...IMO...)

**suicidekings** · 01-05-12, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by demens

I'm talking about this stretch of games: It does include the 4in5 in Det. Not exactly he same kind of schedule as this year but thats 7 games in 12 days, 6 of them on the round and they went 5-1-1. For as crappy as they were last year that was pretty impressive.

Fair. That was a good run for them, however the team as it stands now is among the weakest offensively and so far has allowed the 2nd most points in the league. I just don't understand the position that this is a good spot for the Kings.

**dlunc3** · 01-05-12, 06:34 PM

wade ruled out... line at +1.5

**suicidekings** · 01-05-12, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by demens

There is no way line would be this low if 1 of them was playing IMO. They are both out...IMO...)

Perhaps. However -2 to +1 is not a dramatic shift and I think it's understandable for this to be the product of only one of them. We'll know soon enough.

**demens** · 01-05-12, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by suicidekings

Fair. That was a good run for them, however the team as it stands now is among the weakest offensively and so far has allowed the 2nd most points in the league. I just don't understand the position that this is a good spot for the Kings.

My thinking is all based on the coaching change. Its something that was causing tons of drama in the locker room between him and Cousins and from what i read Evans wasn't a big fan of him either. Not to say the whole team is behind Cousins and hated Westphal, i'm sure plenty of them dislike Cousins but i think they respond due to the firing.

What makes you think this is a good spot for the Bucks on the other hand? Terrible road team, no Bogut. Not a very reliable spot to back them imo.

**demens** · 01-05-12, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by suicidekings

Perhaps. However -2 to +1 is not a dramatic shift and I think it's understandable for this to be the product of only one of them. We'll know soon enough.

The line in ATL was -6.5 last year in both games, and just like this season Hawks won in Miami. Didn't matter. If they were both playing the line would be right around there again. 1 of them out = 3.5 (like it opened, guess books were playing 50/50 that at least 1 of them will go). Fact that it was around 2 and has dropped to atl as favs now tells me that people thought there was a very good chance BOTH will be out.

The shift from 2 to -1 isn't that huge in basketball terms, i'm even ok with this going to -3 atl, just wanna hear officially that both are out (wade is out confirmed now). I know it can be let down, but i dont think Bosh can carry that team on his own. no way, too much to pass up imo.

**suicidekings** · 01-05-12, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by demens

My thinking is all based on the coaching change. Its something that was causing tons of drama in the locker room between him and Cousins and from what i read Evans wasn't a big fan of him either. Not to say the whole team is behind Cousins and hated Westphal, i'm sure plenty of them dislike Cousins but i think they respond due to the firing. What makes you think this is a good spot for the Bucks on the other hand? Terrible road team, no Bogut. Not a very reliable spot to back them imo.

They lost @CHA by a point in the Bobcats home opener (the same team that almost beat the Heat and just beat NYK) and in B2B games at elevation, so I'll take those losses with a grain of salt.

More accurately, I think it's a great spot for the Bucks to take advantage of the Kings at their weakest. What coaching changes do you really think will have been implemented that would improve the Kings overnight? They would have flown home last night and probably not have had a long practice today.

You can take the best conditioned team in basketball and send them on a 5in6 including a trip to Denver & Utah and there's going to be a significant drop in energy level for that 5th game. Milwaukee is still a good defensive team and the Kings are going to have to work hard to win.

**Speedy88** · 01-05-12, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by demens

My thinking is all based on the coaching change. Its something that was causing tons of drama in the locker room between him and Cousins and from what i read Evans wasn't a big fan of him either. Not to say the whole team is behind Cousins and hated Westphal, i'm sure plenty of them dislike Cousins but i think they respond due to the firing. What makes you think this is a good spot for the Bucks on the other hand? Terrible road team, no Bogut. Not a very reliable spot to back them imo.

Yeah I don't think many of the guys liked Wesphal. Last night he benched Tyreke to start the 2nd half and started the rookie Isaiah Thomas. I don't think that boded well for Evans.

**demens** · 01-05-12, 06:58 PM

Not saying there are going to be significant tactical changes or new plays, the change itself is enough for a psychological shift. Its happens a lot, teams respond in a positive way normally to a coach getting fired even if its only short term. You know you've seen it happen plenty.

Anyway. Should be an interesting game. I really think you're overrating the Bucks big time, Char is a BAD team, and the Knicks are playing like a bad team, i wouldn't make such of those games or Char sticking close with Miami (then getting annihilated)

**Speedy88** · 01-05-12, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by demens

Not saying there are going to be significant tactical changes or new plays, the change itself is enough for a psychological shift. Its happens a lot, teams respond in a positive way normally to a coach getting fired even if its only short term. You know you've seen it happen plenty.

Anyway. Should be an interesting game. I really think you're overrating the Bucks big time, Char is a BAD team, and the Knicks are playing like a bad team, i wouldn't make such of those games or Char sticking close with Miami (then getting annihilated)

I think the whole Wesphal situation was just a big cloud hanging over the team for sometime. Everyone knew he was going to get fired, it was just a matter of when. Should be an interesting game for sure. I trust the kings much more at home than on the road, and the Bucks haven't showed me anything this year to be a 2.5 favorite on the road.

**suicidekings** · 01-05-12, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by demens

Not saying there are going to be significant tactical changes or new plays, the change itself is enough for a psychological shift. Its happens a lot, teams respond in a positive way normally to a coach getting fired even if its only short term. You know you've seen it happen plenty. Anyway. Should be an interesting game. I really think you're overrating the Bucks big time, Char is a BAD team, and the Knicks are playing like a bad team, i wouldn't make such of those games or Char sticking close with Miami (then getting annihilated)

We'll see. It's not wise to draw conclusions based on 6-7 games on either side. But in general, short rest trumps virtually every other situational angle in my experience.

**suicidekings** · 01-06-12, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by suicidekings

1/5

Heat -2 (-110) x2
Bucks -2 (-114) x2

What a load of crap... The Bucks outscored by 24 in the second half to lose by 3.

1/5: 1-1 (-0.28u)
YTD: 15-16-1 (-0.32u)

**suicidekings** · 01-06-12, 12:31 AM

1/6:

Bobcats ML (+108) x1

The Hawks are in the middle of 3 in a row (and 8th game in 11 days, 4th B2B series in a row) and coming off a 3OT game where 4 of their 5 starters played 40+ minutes. Pretty much an automatic play for me.

**alamo** · 01-06-12, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by suicidekings

What a load of crap... The Bucks outscored by 24 in the second half to lose by 3. 1/5: 1-1 (-0.28u) YTD: 15-16-1 (-0.32u)

One good beat (Bosh 3 at buzzer when down 3) and one bad beat with that Bucks comeback. I had a similar night. Thats the NBA

**dlunc3** · 01-06-12, 12:36 AM

i was huge on the hawks and bucs tonight.... it does not get any worse

**suicidekings** · 01-06-12, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by alamo

One good beat (Bosh 3 at buzzer when down 3) and one bad beat with that Bucks comeback. I had a similar night. Thats the NBA

I wouldn't be nearly so pissed if Bosh has missed that 3 though as watching a team collapse from a 21 point lead. I've been getting NBA'd a lot this year.

**demens** · 01-06-12, 12:39 AM

I just can't get over that Hawks game. Dont even care that they lost, just the way they played, one of the worst experiences watching basketball i've ever had and i watch the Nets on a regular basis.

**suicidekings** · 01-06-12, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by demens

I just can't get over that Hawks game. Dont even care that they lost, just the way they played, one of the worst experiences watching basketball i've ever had and i watch the Nets on a regular basis.

They're really not that different in their makeup. More talent in Atlanta, but neither team has any heart or a fanbase that expects anything of them. It would be so rough to be a Hawks fan.

**demens** · 01-06-12, 12:48 AM

btw, the tired team angle has not been all that good so far this season. Kings made it what 3-0 ATS and 3-0 SU for the b2b2b team. I wouldn't be surprised if Atl bounce back tomorrow after this pathetic game. Happens a lot in the NBA, teams have great games following terrible ones. But i'm not betting Atl any time soon, ******* bunch of trash bag low life "nice guys". God damn Josh Smith might be the worst player in the NBA (considering status, i dont mean he is worst then some 12th scrub, but he sure as hell does more damage to his team then that 12th man). Doesn't do anything great, ******* Reggie MIller, stfu.Ivan Johnson, Jeff ******* Teague 1-12 hit a mother ******* free throw you losers. Joe 120 million ******* contract, old ass team needs to grow the **** up. Man i wish NBA adopted relegation style rule of European soccer, these mother fuckers were an embarrassment to the sport today.

**lyon804** · 01-06-12, 12:55 AM

Now tell us how you really feel about it Demons??