Mavs @ Cavs

**HCBoone** · 01-02-11, 11:57 AM

Cavs in a decent position to at least compete about the W imo.

**Avon Barksdale** · 01-02-11, 11:59 AM

I made a thread about this earlier.

Mavs are missing 50 PPG and will have to play 3 guards most of the time (barea, terry and kidd) with cardinal. they are extremely undersized and undermanned. add in that dallas is an old team and guys like kidd have been playing 38mpg without dirk and they are playing their 3rd game in 4 days and i could see another upset.

**demens** · 01-02-11, 12:03 PM

I dont know, they have been SOOOO awful though. I dont know if i can trust them.

This last month of games:
When line is +5 or more
0-12SU
3-8
vs team .500- (Because this Mavs team is an under .500 team)
0-7SU
0-6
@home
1-5SU
2-4

I think the Mavs lose to just about any team in the league with that roster. But i would not trust Cavs, Nets or Kings right now. Someone convince me.

**Avatars** · 01-02-11, 12:05 PM

I will stay away (though lean more on cavs), but see a point to go with cavs, this is probably their second biggest chance for win in next 8 games or so (first - toronto). I mean, if I see a value in home dog I'd go for it. I do not think that "Milwaukee-half-team-healthy", which won Mavs last night, is that much better than Cavs at this point.
But again this is same old yesterday (Bucks-Mavs) where two shorthanded teams are matched up and do not know who will show up.
GL

**Siresco** · 01-02-11, 12:06 PM

Other games.. i just wouldnt play this game.. Dallas should win. But do they cover is the question.

**Avon Barksdale** · 01-02-11, 12:08 PM

if mo williams and gibson are playing it's worth it, but i don't know their status right now.

**demens** · 01-02-11, 12:10 PM

Why should Dallas win? Thats the question. I see no reason for them to win at all. If it wasn't for the poor play from the Cavs over this month there would be no hesitation. I mean if they were just near .500 ATS but they are not even close.

They have some injurt issues of their own. Verajao out, Mo WIll and Gibson ?. But i think their back-ups like Hickson and Leon Powe are better then Brian freaking Cardinal, i didn't even know that guy was still in the league. Sessions too is decent. Dirk/Butler out 100%, not sure about Marion though.

**Avatars** · 01-02-11, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by demens

I dont know, they have been SOOOO awful though. I dont know if i can trust them.

This last month of games:
When line is +5 or more
0-12SU
3-8
vs team .500- (Because this Mavs team is an under .500 team)
0-7SU
0-6
@home
1-5SU
2-4

I think the Mavs lose to just about any team in the league with that roster. But i would not trust Cavs, Nets or Kings right now. Someone convince me.

Try to look from this perspective - what would be the line if Dirk,butler and never mind marion would be in line up? Wild guess from me -8.0 DAL +/- 0.5 points. Is Dirk + Butler worth more than 2.5 points? Looking at all I have seen I would say hell yeah and then some

**Avon Barksdale** · 01-02-11, 12:13 PM

if dirk and butler were playing dallas would be like 12 point favorites imo

**Avatars** · 01-02-11, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Avon Barksdale

if dirk and butler were playing dallas would be like 12 point favorites imo

I agree 8.0 might be too low, but hard to see more than 9.0, because last week Magic was -7.5 at Cavs.

**demens** · 01-02-11, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Avatars

Try to look from this perspective - what would be the line if Dirk,butler and never mind marion would be in line up? Wild guess from me -8.0 DAL +/- 0.5 points. Is Dirk + Butler worth more than 2.5 points? Looking at all I have seen I would say hell yeah and then some

This is interesting. Off the top of my head i'd think the line would be around -10. But you're right. Mavs best line on the road was -7 @ Kings. This is actually the 2nd highest line for them on the road this whole season, and it comes without 3 key players? Wtf?

**demens** · 01-02-11, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by Avon Barksdale

if dirk and butler were playing dallas would be like 12 point favorites imo

Thats what i thought, but that doesn't happened all that much. Cavs only had 1 home game this year where they laid more then 7 points, and that was 8 vs Orl recently. There has only been 2 games where the home team was a DD dog. Both times it was the Wiz +10, +11.

**Avon Barksdale** · 01-02-11, 12:24 PM

well I am just saying that basing it off of if Dirk and Butler never got hurt and Dallas hadn't been coming in on 3 losses in a row.

I think Cleveland is a play here as long as Gibson or Williams is playing. I think the Mavs are going to be looking ahead to this week when Dirk returns.

**demens** · 01-02-11, 12:26 PM

I think they might be the play without Mo and Gibson too. Just hard to get over how horrible their record is.

**Avatars** · 01-02-11, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by demens

Thats what i thought, but that doesn't happened all that much. Cavs only had 1 home game this year where they laid more then 7 points, and that was 8 vs Orl recently. There has only been 2 games where the home team was a DD dog. Both times it was the Wiz +10, +11.

btw at what site did you get this info about biggest home dogs?
I will play very small on cavs, do not have guts to play big on this type of situation

**demens** · 01-02-11, 12:48 PM

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**riskyProps** · 01-02-11, 01:08 PM

I'm on Dallas ML here. I stayed away from Dallas game yesterday. It was too much of a toss up for me.

**JOHON8** · 01-02-11, 01:13 PM

How many 3's did San Antonio have to hit to beat Dallas without Dirk? Cavs have to show the same heart that the Raptors had, that's asking a lot.

**demens** · 01-02-11, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by JOHON8

How many 3's did San Antonio have to hit to beat Dallas without Dirk? Cavs have to show the same heart that the Raptors had, that's asking a lot.

What does that have to do with this game? Mavs had Butler and Marion, thats pretty significant. How many 3s did the Bucks have to hit last night?

**Avon Barksdale** · 01-02-11, 01:24 PM

Mavs without all three is a disaster. They had 30 points from freakin JJ Barea last night and still were never really in the game.

Butler had 30 and Marion had 10 vs San Antonio.
Butler had 15 and Marion had 12 vs Milwaukee.

In both cases that's about 1/3 of the teams total points or more.

**Mr KLC** · 01-02-11, 02:22 PM

I learned my lesson yesterday. I took the Cavs +6.

**demens** · 01-02-11, 02:25 PM

Butler out for 2 months. Sucks for the Mavs.

**Avon Barksdale** · 01-02-11, 04:45 PM

Marion is playing btw.

**demens** · 01-02-11, 04:59 PM

Just saw it. meh, no play.

**Avon Barksdale** · 01-02-11, 06:13 PM

Mo Williams is playing.

**demens** · 01-02-11, 06:15 PM

Source?

**Avon Barksdale** · 01-02-11, 06:27 PM

Mo is playing, Gibson is out. Marion is a go for Dallas, Dirk and Butler out.

**demens** · 01-02-11, 06:50 PM

Nice source.

**JOHON8** · 01-02-11, 10:05 PM

No way Dallas was letting this game slip their schedule, you don't lose to teams like the Cavs and expect to challenge for the Western conference.

**demens** · 01-02-11, 10:09 PM

I'm pretty sure this had a lot more to do with Marion playing then Mavs letting game slip through.