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  • Buried_PIRATE
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 12-28-10
    • 546

    #71
    Originally posted by Buried_PIRATE
    IND@ATL / LINE: 192.5
    5DAY: 183 / Under
    YTD: 189 / Under
    TOTAL: 201
    GRADE: LOSS

    MIL@NJN / LINE 178.5
    5DAY: 183 / Over
    YTD: 185 / Over
    TOTAL: 207
    GRADE: WIN

    PHI@DET / Line: 193
    5Day: 203 / Over
    YTD: 196 / Over
    TOTAL: 221
    GRADE: WIN

    BOS@CHI / Line: 188
    5DAY: 178 / Under
    YTD: 185 / Under
    TOTAL: 169
    GRADE: WIN

    ORL@DAL / Line: 187
    5DAY: 182 / Under
    YTD: 191 / Over (***Took Over here***)
    TOTAL: 188+
    GRADE: WIN

    WAS@CHAR / Line: 187
    5DAY: 184 / Under
    YTD: 191 / Over (***Took Over***)
    TOTAL: 193
    GRADE: WIN

    MEM@OKC / Line: 203
    5DAY: 187 / Under
    YTD: 196 / Under
    TOTAL: 209
    GRADE: LOSS

    UTA@HOU / Line: 207.5 [***NO PLAY***]
    5Day: 208 / Over
    YTD: 203 / Under
    5-2, goes to 39-27
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    • ManBearPig
      SBR MVP
      • 12-04-08
      • 2473

      #72
      Good job today...I really got burned by all the overs today so I think some adjustments need to be made.
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      • Buried_PIRATE
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 12-28-10
        • 546

        #73
        Sorry to hear MBP... could just be variance in the long run it'll work out.

        I have 2 plays for today

        MIA@POR / Line: 184.5
        5Day: 198 / Over
        YTD: 194 / Over

        Note: In that game the combined "relevant" under statistics is 14-7... either way sticking with my model it says over... so we'll see

        NO@DEN / Line 201.5
        5Day: 188 / Under
        YTD: 196 / Under

        Decent day yesterday... currently sitting at 39-27. BOL on your guys plays
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        • ManBearPig
          SBR MVP
          • 12-04-08
          • 2473

          #74
          Ya...the variance is hard to predict. I will doing constant tweaks here and there so I don't expect things to be perfect all the time. We're on the same page with the MIA game as that's the only plays that qualify's for me. I'm tailing you on the NO Under...although it doesn't qualify as a play that seems to be the play if I were. You may have something good here so I hope you plan on sticking with it. GL Today...I'll be at the bowl game tonight so I'm off the grid...Let's get it.
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          • Buried_PIRATE
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 12-28-10
            • 546

            #75
            Originally posted by Buried_PIRATE

            MIA@POR / Line: 184.5
            5Day: 198 / Over
            YTD: 194 / Over
            TOTAL: 186 (now in OT)
            GRADE: WIN

            NO@DEN / Line 201.5
            5Day: 188 / Under
            YTD: 196 / Under
            TOTAL: 183
            GRADE: WIN
            Bank em

            2-0, brings us to 41-27

            Edit: Enjoy the bowl game MBP! I am on Nevada -7.5 so I am presumably pulling for ya
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            • Buried_PIRATE
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 12-28-10
              • 546

              #76
              Probably won't be around tomorrow before the games start, so these are the predictions for tomorrow (or today if you are EST)...

              DET@CHI / Line: 189.5
              5Day: 197 / Over
              YTD: 193 / Over

              HOU@BOS / Line [ Not Posted ... I would play anything under 200/201 anything over 192 as a play I like ]
              5Day: 198.5
              YTD: 196

              MEM@CHAR / Line: 193 [Not a huge fan of this line, I think I like the UNDER more. Possibly watch the line movement, I will see if I have time to come back tomorrow to make a pick otherwise this a No Play for me]
              5Day: 196 / Over
              YTD: 190 / Under

              41-27 since 12/28
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              • Buried_PIRATE
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 12-28-10
                • 546

                #77
                I took the under on MEM@CHAR.

                The line on HOU@BOS is too tight to make it more than a toss up for the model.
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                • BillyGoat
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 10-29-10
                  • 223

                  #78
                  I have started looking at over/unders as related to averate home/away and NBA Referee's average home/away.
                  Today's games...
                  Chi vs Det Over
                  Boston vs Houston under (but too close to bet)
                  Memphis vs Charlotte Over

                  I have just started so not much history yet.
                  I don't mean to hijack your thread just saying we are close on a couple of games.
                  Good luck to you.
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                  • Buried_PIRATE
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 12-28-10
                    • 546

                    #79
                    Hey billy, definitely not hijacking... if you have some opinions / data post it up, I'm still trying to fix some things in the model.

                    For instance, I could see the over as a play in the memphis game, but I'm sticking with my YTD predicton of 190 since it is within the margin that I kinda like as the bare minimum
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                    • Buried_PIRATE
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 12-28-10
                      • 546

                      #80
                      Originally posted by Buried_PIRATE
                      DET@CHI / Line: 189.5
                      5Day: 197 / Over
                      YTD: 193 / Over
                      TOTAL: 170
                      GRADE: LOSS

                      MEM@CHAR / Line: 193
                      5Day: 196 / Over
                      YTD: 190 / Under
                      TOTAL: 178
                      GRADE: WIN
                      1-1 on the small slate... sucks that the pistons mailed in about 25 points in the final 2 quarters

                      record goes to 42-28
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                      • echowilbury
                        SBR Hustler
                        • 12-28-10
                        • 59

                        #81
                        i love your system, buried. Almost tailed you on the bulls game but when I saw the unders in chicagos last 16 home games and unders in detroits last 16 road games i had to take the under. Glad i did. Good call on the cats though, almot took that one too.
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                        • Buried_PIRATE
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 12-28-10
                          • 546

                          #82
                          Hey echo, thanks for the support... working on the model and making predictions has honestly been a lot of fun for me.

                          I think I have started to learn where my predicting comfort range is... I spent a lot of time thinking about it when after my initial success I hit a 1-5 day when I know a fair amount of people tailed me. Since then things have been looking up and I've been 22-11... hoping to keep the right predictions rolling

                          Also, nice call on CHI under... I could've seen an under play (I am using 3-4 numbers now, only posting the 5day and YTD tho). Either way, I did think my Over was in "decent" shape when DET was up 55-46 at HT. I figured CHI would go on a run, but not totally dominate the Pistons to just 35ish in the 2nd half!
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                          • Buried_PIRATE
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 12-28-10
                            • 546

                            #83
                            I have my predictions done for tomorrow, just waiting on all of the lines to be up to post which plays I like.
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                            • Buried_PIRATE
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 12-28-10
                              • 546

                              #84
                              IND@PHI / Line: 196
                              5Day: 190 / Under
                              YTD: 188 / Under

                              SAC@WAS / Line: 198
                              5Day: 187 / Under
                              YTD: 194 / Under

                              Other close lines ...

                              SAS@MIN / Line: 206 [This line is probably about my cut off where I feel safe predicting... adding it as a play]
                              5Day: 199 / Under
                              YTD: 201 / Under

                              CLE@LAL / Line: 199 [No play as of now... lean is Over ]
                              5day: 208 / Over
                              YTD: 199 / Under

                              42-28 thus far
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                              • stefan084
                                SBR MVP
                                • 07-21-09
                                • 1490

                                #85
                                how much weight does your 5day number add to the formula? or is it a separate entity?
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                                • Buried_PIRATE
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 12-28-10
                                  • 546

                                  #86
                                  Originally posted by stefan084
                                  how much weight does your 5day number add to the formula? or is it a separate entity?
                                  Separate entity... the YTD has been giving me pretty good results but teams change and go through ups and downs. When I see a strong 5Day that matches a strong YTD I think that's a good play. An example of that was the BOS@CHI on 1-08. The line was 188, the YTD: was 185 and 5day was in the 170's (total in the game was 169). Definitely not perfect, but comparing the two numbers I think provides some bearings.

                                  For instance, on tonights slate I think SAC@WAS has a good chance of going under given that the YTD is -4 off the line and 5day is -12...

                                  Overall I think the YTD is a stronger indicator, because when you look at 5 day you have to consider strength of schedule, home/away splits, various freak injuries etc.. it is just another gauge
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                                  • vyomguy
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 12-08-09
                                    • 5794

                                    #87
                                    i think your model needs to be more refined...as in if star players are out. Iguodala might be back for 76ers...so under is the play...without him over is the play....and so on.
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                                    • vyomguy
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 12-08-09
                                      • 5794

                                      #88
                                      What does you model say about suns game?
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                                      • Buried_PIRATE
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 12-28-10
                                        • 546

                                        #89
                                        Originally posted by vyomguy
                                        i think your model needs to be more refined...as in if star players are out. Iguodala might be back for 76ers...so under is the play...without him over is the play....and so on.
                                        I agree. I have been trying to track star player injuries, but it's still difficult to gauge how that injury influences the game. That is also why I post my numbers instead of just the plays though. If you think Igoudala will score more points and the defense is constant, then yes it should go up. You also gotta consider that his replacement might allow more points on defense too negating the points that he doesn't score... know what I am kinda trying to say?

                                        Originally posted by vyomguy
                                        What does you model say about suns game?
                                        My model says the Suns are a strong under but I have stopped trying to predict games with lines above 207ish...

                                        I've been using regression analysis which is going to underestimate huge totals.
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                                        • vyomguy
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 12-08-09
                                          • 5794

                                          #90
                                          good luck today.
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                                          • Buried_PIRATE
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 12-28-10
                                            • 546

                                            #91
                                            Originally posted by Buried_PIRATE
                                            IND@PHI / Line: 196
                                            5Day: 190 / Under
                                            YTD: 188 / Under
                                            GRADE: LOSS

                                            SAC@WAS / Line: 198
                                            5Day: 187 / Under
                                            YTD: 194 / Under
                                            GRADE: LOSS

                                            SAS@MIN / Line: 206
                                            5Day: 199 / Under
                                            YTD: 201 / Under
                                            GRADE: WIN
                                            Corrected ^
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                                            • Buried_PIRATE
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 12-28-10
                                              • 546

                                              #92
                                              LOL actually won the SAS@MIN game... record goes to 43-30.

                                              1-2 tonight, hoping to come back strong tomorrow.
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                                              • Buried_PIRATE
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 12-28-10
                                                • 546

                                                #93
                                                CHI@CHAR / Line: 185.5
                                                5Day: 191 / Over
                                                YTD: 187 / Over

                                                SAS@MIL / Line: 187.5
                                                5Day: 194 / Over
                                                YTD: 190 / Over

                                                MEM@DET / Line: 192.5
                                                5Day: 195 / Over
                                                YTD: 199 / Over

                                                SAC@BOS / Line: 196
                                                5Day: 194 / Under
                                                YTD: 190 / Under

                                                ATL@TOR / Line: 205.5
                                                5Day: 201 / Under
                                                YTD: 200 / Under

                                                MIA@LAC / Line: 194
                                                5Day: 204 / Over
                                                YTD: 195.5 / Over (tighter than I would like... going to roll with it though...)

                                                43-30 ... since 12/28
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                                                • ManBearPig
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 12-04-08
                                                  • 2473

                                                  #94
                                                  Yesterday was an off day all around...better luck today. You can't predict these things all the time and I'm you've had more winning days than losing so that's a positive.
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                                                  • ufcmma36
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 02-22-10
                                                    • 1065

                                                    #95
                                                    good luck bro! picks look pretty good
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                                                    • ufcmma36
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 02-22-10
                                                      • 1065

                                                      #96
                                                      the line on miami is down to 192 on 5dimes
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                                                      • echowilbury
                                                        SBR Hustler
                                                        • 12-28-10
                                                        • 59

                                                        #97
                                                        I had the over (208.5) in the Spurs game, and honestly, it should have went over. I definitely feel it was the right play. The only scored 4 points in the final 2:30. Missed it by six. Oh well. Keep it up dude!
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                                                        • Buried_PIRATE
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 12-28-10
                                                          • 546

                                                          #98
                                                          Originally posted by ufcmma36
                                                          the line on miami is down to 192 on 5dimes
                                                          I'll be honest that's really surprising to me. I'm sticking with the over, but I wouldn't be surprised if the books know something I don't. If you are still up in the air, BOL with your decision!
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                                                          • Buried_PIRATE
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 12-28-10
                                                            • 546

                                                            #99
                                                            Originally posted by echowilbury
                                                            I had the over (208.5) in the Spurs game, and honestly, it should have went over. I definitely feel it was the right play. The only scored 4 points in the final 2:30. Missed it by six. Oh well. Keep it up dude!
                                                            I agree... I jumped the gun yesterday and declared it a loss at half and said it wasn't my day. Then again if that scoring drought had happened in the first quarter it could have been on pace all game... different ways to look at it I guess.

                                                            I'm going to keep it up as long as I'm still giving you guys better than a 50-50!! Sitting at 43-30 right now and hoping to keep getting better
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                                                            • ufcmma36
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 02-22-10
                                                              • 1065

                                                              #100
                                                              definitely great job bro
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                                                              • Buried_PIRATE
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 12-28-10
                                                                • 546

                                                                #101
                                                                Originally posted by Buried_PIRATE
                                                                CHI@CHAR / Line: 185.5
                                                                5Day: 191 / Over
                                                                YTD: 187 / Over
                                                                TOTAL: 187
                                                                GRADE: WIN

                                                                SAS@MIL / Line: 187.5
                                                                5Day: 194 / Over
                                                                YTD: 190 / Over
                                                                TOTAL: 170
                                                                GRADE: LOSS

                                                                MEM@DET / Line: 192.5
                                                                5Day: 195 / Over
                                                                YTD: 199 / Over
                                                                TOTAL: 206
                                                                GRADE: WIN

                                                                SAC@BOS / Line: 196
                                                                5Day: 194 / Under
                                                                YTD: 190 / Under
                                                                TOTAL: 210+
                                                                GRADE: LOSS

                                                                ATL@TOR / Line: 205.5
                                                                5Day: 201 / Under
                                                                YTD: 200 / Under
                                                                TOTAL: 205
                                                                GRADE: WIN

                                                                MIA@LAC / Line: 194
                                                                5Day: 204 / Over
                                                                YTD: 195.5 / Over (tighter than I would like... going to roll with it though...)
                                                                TOTAL: 194+
                                                                GRADE: WIN
                                                                4-2. Total record is now 47-32 from 12/28

                                                                Probably will not have any plays for tomorrow. BOL to you guys
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                                                                • Buried_PIRATE
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 12-28-10
                                                                  • 546

                                                                  #102
                                                                  Had no plays last night hope you guys did okay.

                                                                  Record is currently 47-32 going into plays for today. Not all lines are up but I'm going to post what I am on thus far:

                                                                  NJN@LAL / Line: 191.5
                                                                  5Day: 198 / Over
                                                                  YTD: 196 / Over

                                                                  CLE@UTA / Line: 196
                                                                  5Day: 209 / Over
                                                                  YTD: 199 / Over

                                                                  CHAR@BOS / Line: 188
                                                                  5Day: 193 / Over
                                                                  YTD: 187 / Under (Playing the Under on Boston at home has burned me so far this year, but here we are again *playing under*)

                                                                  CHI@IND / Line: 190
                                                                  5Day: 184 / Under
                                                                  YTD: 184 / Under
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                                                                  • Buried_PIRATE
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 12-28-10
                                                                    • 546

                                                                    #103
                                                                    Also adding:
                                                                    POR@PHX / Line: 195.5
                                                                    5Day: 200 / Over
                                                                    YTD: 205 / Over
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                                                                    • flakeandbake
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 06-21-10
                                                                      • 3672

                                                                      #104
                                                                      Mind me asking how much ur betting each game and what college you went to
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                                                                      • Raynor21
                                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                                        • 06-23-09
                                                                        • 422

                                                                        #105
                                                                        Not bad, not bad at all. Good luck to you tonight.
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