nba dec 16 -what am i missing??

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  • phil_abuster
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 03-28-16
    • 506

    #1
    nba dec 16 -what am i missing??
    in the sac/mem game i gotta be missing something cuz this looks "2 good 2 b true"

    based on skills/talent/performances to date we see:

    sacramento kings r awful.
    rated in the bottom third of a 30 team league ~23rd or 24th
    kings r just 9-16 overall
    woeful 4-10 on the road. this is a ROAD game.
    they r 3-7 their past 10 (incl 7 road games)
    against good opps like memphis, on the road,
    they did defeat raptors early in nov,
    but then lost by 8 @knicks
    lost by 20 @jazz
    lost by 34 @rockets
    even on the road against mediocre/weak teams the kings
    lost 5 and 4 of those by 6 pts or more!
    and tonite likey to b w/o #2 best player!! (Rudy Gay)
    but they r only 5.5 pt underdogs (??)

    the grizz meanwhile r rated in the TOP third, ~8th or 9th
    grizz r 18-9 overall despite 3 key players missing significant time
    and tonite they get back their star guard/#2 scorer (Conley)!

    grizz r 10-4 at home.
    grizz r 7-3 past 10 (incl 7 home)
    against loser teams like the kings, AT HOME, grizz r 8-1
    grizz have all their starters back and key reserves
    they r playing well and at home against a weak opp
    so why only laying -5.5 now after opening -7?
    this is barely more than standard homecourt edge if between 2 EQUAL opps!
    but these aren't near equal opps! clearly memphis has a large edge here!
    *btw, i am not a fan of ATS crap.
    to me thats just a measure of coin flip results and basically irrelevent
    except possibly to GO AGAINST the trend.
    but if U r, the grizz appear to hold most the key edges there too!

    grizz -5.5

    i am also looking to doubledown on grizz but before i do that im hoping to here of some breaking development from any polite person here w/info that suggests a HUGE impact on expectations for a GOOD team - who r getting their star back - to cover a near standard homecourt edge against a much WEAKER team - and who r likely to miss their #2 player tonite

    wtf am i missing?? anyone?
    tia

    update:
    although i bet -5.5, line now only -5
    if grizz were playing a WINNING team like maybe utah, oklahoma, knicks, i would expect a home line of -5
  • IBetYou
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 07-03-15
    • 8158

    #2
    Joeger returns to Fed Ex... (Barnes & Koufos too). Kings like their coach so I can see them giving extra effort for him here. I'd rather eat my fingers than bet them but I wouldn't be surprised if they pull it out.
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    • phil_abuster
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 03-28-16
      • 506

      #3
      Originally posted by IBetYou
      Joeger returns to Fed Ex... (Barnes & Koufos too). Kings like their coach so I can see them giving extra effort for him here. I'd rather eat my fingers than bet them but I wouldn't be surprised if they pull it out.
      agreed

      but they'll have to give that "extra effort" w/o their #2 best player and
      meanwhile the grizz get back their #2 best player!
      that's pretty significant counterbalance imo
      and now the line is just standard homecourt edge given when 2 EQUAL teams meet
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      • IBetYou
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 07-03-15
        • 8158

        #4
        the standard homecourt edge given when 2 EQUAL teams meet ​is 3pts
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        • phil_abuster
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 03-28-16
          • 506

          #5
          Originally posted by phil_abuster
          agreed

          but they'll have to give that "extra effort" w/o their #2 best player and
          meanwhile the grizz get back their #2 best player!
          that's pretty significant counterbalance imo
          and now the line is just standard homecourt edge given when 2 EQUAL teams meet
          another way to look at the line on the homies just -5 is this:
          if these 2 teams met on a NEUTRAL court somewhere,
          like London or Mexico or Sheboygan,
          the 9-16 kings - but now likely worse w/o their #2 guy, remember -
          would b a PICK, or maybe +1.5
          vs the 18-9 grizz - who should b better w/their #2 guy back
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          • phil_abuster
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 03-28-16
            • 506

            #6
            Originally posted by IBetYou
            the standard homecourt edge given when 2 EQUAL teams meet ​is 3pts
            i stand corrected it is down to -3 -3.5 depending on team
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            • IBetYou
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 07-03-15
              • 8158

              #7
              Over the past 3 seasons the average home line is -2.813
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              • teecee
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 09-18-09
                • 6298

                #8
                Originally posted by phil_abuster
                agreed

                but they'll have to give that "extra effort" w/o their #2 best player and
                meanwhile the grizz get back their #2 best player!
                that's pretty significant counterbalance imo
                and now the line is just standard homecourt edge given when 2 EQUAL teams meet
                These two teams are not equal. Memphis > Sacramento.
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                • phil_abuster
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 03-28-16
                  • 506

                  #9
                  Originally posted by teecee
                  These two teams are not equal. Memphis > Sacramento.
                  agreed!!
                  my point was IF 2 equal teams met, i might expect a line like -5 (or close)
                  but because there is obviously a WIDE difference between these here,
                  esp given that kings likely w/o their #2 guy (Gay) in the lineup
                  while grizz get back their #2 guy (Conley)
                  why has this line dropped from -7 to -5.5 to -5
                  and now i see some listing -4.5 ??

                  even on a neutral court i would still expect the grizz to b ~5 to 7 pt favs
                  anyone have a convincing explanation (keeping in mind the injury situations) ?
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                  • teecee
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 09-18-09
                    • 6298

                    #10
                    I just don't pay much attention to line movement. Sorry.
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                    • phil_abuster
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 03-28-16
                      • 506

                      #11
                      Originally posted by teecee
                      I just don't pay much attention to line movement. Sorry.
                      u may want to consider it though,
                      cuz any significant line move usually means one of two things:
                      either big money moving it OR
                      a late breaking player development - this latter likely being important for capping purposes

                      btw for anyone reading this,
                      Rudy Gay's status for the kings has been changed from doubtful to OUT
                      and inexplicably lines of -4.5 on grizz around all over now
                      they will b w/o Ennis, yes, but not a great loss there as green, randolph, and williams will get more playing time and they r more than adequate to fill any gap
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                      • phil_abuster
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 03-28-16
                        • 506

                        #12
                        adding:
                        atl/tor 1q ov 52.5
                        atl/tor 3q un 55.5

                        and i doubled-down on memphis* to make a BESTBET (bets at -5.5 and -5)

                        raptors also look like a good play but im gonna try and play it live at a smaller line IF hawks go on an early 1q run first.
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                        • phil_abuster
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 03-28-16
                          • 506

                          #13
                          lac/mia 1q un 53.5
                          lakers 1qtt un 27
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