Horse Racing questions and answers

[batt33]

What I enjoy about this thread is sharing things on how "my" horses are doing.... while I do have just a smidge of "being on the inside" I wondered what trainers are thinking on how the horses progress....Love the eagle eye of STR! It is also just as fun to post the videos on what trainers actually think while sharing a posted worker and time. If that makes sense.... so....

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/VIDEO20260604134530_1780607072219/MP4/VIDEO20260604134530_1780607072219.mp4

Paddock Buzz galloped out of the gate this morning at Santa Anita Park in the middle of two other 2-year-olds. By no means is she ready to break from the gate for an official work, but she is making steady progress and beginning to get more comfortable. As we reported in our last post-breeze update, Dan plans to give the training track a test run for this weekend’s work.

[ProSportsEdge]

What I enjoy about this thread is sharing things on how "my" horses are doing.... while I do have just a smidge of "being on the inside" I wondered what trainers are thinking on how the horses progress....Love the eagle eye of STR! It is also just as fun to post the videos on what trainers actually think while sharing a posted worker and time. If that makes sense.... so....

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/VIDEO20260604134530_1780607072219/MP4/VIDEO20260604134530_1780607072219.mp4

Paddock Buzz galloped out of the gate this morning at Santa Anita Park in the middle of two other 2-year-olds. By no means is she ready to break from the gate for an official work, but she is making steady progress and beginning to get more comfortable. As we reported in our last post-breeze update, Dan plans to give the training track a test run for this weekend’s work.

Good to hear she's making steady progress. No need to rush things with a young horse—building confidence now can pay off later. Looking forward to the next update.

[BOA12]

think doug o'neill who has 2 others running on the card feels he may have a shot at 3rd or 4th with this one ($2M purse) I think that's not farfetched at all and would make for nice vertical payoffs

Thanks J.

Popping up the form

and see what adds up.

GL to all this meet.

[str]

What I enjoy about this thread is sharing things on how "my" horses are doing.... while I do have just a smidge of "being on the inside" I wondered what trainers are thinking on how the horses progress....Love the eagle eye of STR! It is also just as fun to post the videos on what trainers actually think while sharing a posted worker and time. If that makes sense.... so....

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/VIDEO20260604134530_1780607072219/MP4/VIDEO20260604134530_1780607072219.mp4

Paddock Buzz galloped out of the gate this morning at Santa Anita Park in the middle of two other 2-year-olds. By no means is she ready to break from the gate for an official work, but she is making steady progress and beginning to get more comfortable. As we reported in our last post-breeze update, Dan plans to give the training track a test run for this weekend’s work.

Man... If my horses looked like all yours do, I might have just slept in the tack room. Holy crap !

The athleticism is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong. I LOVED my ratty little stable of tryers. And I did have some that looked like these ( almost), but this level of athlete is ridiculous. I mean, honestly, it's like these trainers are working with pro athletes and my horses looked like a pick up game across the street from a MacDonald's.

[batt33]

Man... If my horses looked like all yours do, I might have just slept in the tack room. Holy crap !

The athleticism is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong. I LOVED my ratty little stable of tryers. And I did have some that looked like these ( almost), but this level of athlete is ridiculous. I mean, honestly, it's like these trainers are working with pro athletes and my horses looked like a pick up game across the street from a MacDonald's.

That made me chuckle! Kinda like (many moons ago) my cousin had horses in her barn for the 2 year old sales..... lower end pedigrees ....then you would see the "Hartley de renzo " horses aye yi yi......

[JBEX]

long time follow deterministic will be running at saratoga on saturday in R12 the manhattan stakes .. #5 (7-2) post 6:11

another long time follow going in the ogden phipps today (R12) #1 fully subscribed (5-2) 6:25

2nd/6 [9-5] < $2.10 > dead heat

[batt33]

Bacio Update



Bacio has arrived safely in England. He shipped into National Stud in Newmarket, and will stay there for the time being to train on the famous Heath (click here for a great video feature). As we get closer to the Royal Ascot meeting, he’ll make the 100-or-so-mile trip from Newmarket to Ascot, giving him a chance to settle in at the receiving barns there and do some paddock schooling.

We’ll be sure to pass along any and all updates and content as it comes to us.


Enjoy this video of Bacio getting settled in in Newmarket.

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/c6618187dbc64008aa004f548912b188_1780655861343/MP4/c6618187dbc64008aa004f548912b188_1780655861343.mp4

Like I said just some "behind the scenes stuff" that is fun to share .... as most people don't get the see it...

[str]

That made me chuckle! Kinda like (many moons ago) my cousin had horses in her barn for the 2 year old sales..... lower end pedigrees ....then you would see the "Hartley de renzo " horses aye yi yi......

Hahaha. Great analogy of the sales ring outfits. Hartley de Renzo horses are all monsters.

[str]

Having watched Saratoga either live or through the charts this week, it is fair to say that the track has played in favor of the inside and in favor of speed so far. It was probably strongest on opening day, which happens frequently at the beginning of most Saratoga meets. But it does seem as though it has stuck around. And while it might not be an earth shattering bias, the inside and speed has done very well so far. We will see where today takes us.

[str]

As for the Belmont Stakes : We all know that I like Renegade. From what little I have seen so far, he checks in as simply running better than most. But, that doesn't make him a winner. We saw that in the Derby. So today he will end up, maybe 8-5 ? Just a guess, but it will be short. And for me, even 2-1 is somewhat short. Why? Because of the same thing we talked about before the Derby. He was 5-1 and that meant he needs to win 1 out of 5 races to make a profit overall. I did, and would take that, all day long with what I consider the best horse in the race.
But 8-5? or even 2-1? I'm not at all excited about that.

Things typically need to go somewhat well for any horse to win. They have to break, not have trouble find them, fire on command, finish well. A lot of things need to go well. To lose, it does not take all that much. In the Derby, I was resigned to losing after the first 15 seconds. Sure, I hoped that I might still win, and when they turned for home, in my mind, he was going to win. I did not envision anyone catching him from behind and he had the momentum to catch everyone in front of him. And , he did. But a horse did finish faster than he did and he got beat. That's the way the game is sometimes.
I was happy with my play. Not so happy with the first 20 seconds but it was the 1 post and if they lined up that group 4 more times I think he wins at least one of them and probably two with a chance at possibly 3 wins. So in my mind, the bet was solid. And when I do bet, I always review after the fact to see if my assumptions were in line or not. Too me, THAT is what makes for a better handicapper. I never excuse a loss. I always think about it for a minute or so, usually during the replay. Was the bet justified or could I have done better? That has always worked well for me as a tool to continually improve my selections and money management. I suggest that if anyone thinks this makes sense, to try it and see if it makes you a better player. I think it will. Try and give it a shot.

But back to the race today. Todd is going to make damn sure the pace is honest. His #2 horse will handle that.

Most years, this is a 1 1/2 mile race. And in those races, I really like to avoid deep closers. I look for pace and either play a speed horse if I think the fractions will be slow or a stalk type. But at a mile and a 1/4, it is different.

While looking for some value in here, Growth Equity seems like a speedish/ stalk type. Ottinho looks to improve. No surprise if he runs very well today. Emerging Market should run well. The race should set up for him. There a a couple others I might consider at a decent price. But I will not be betting on the horse I feel is the best horse. That short price and coming from far back just has no value for me.

GL everyone. I might be back later if I find something or if anyone has any questions I'll respond.

[str]

My play will be a Renegade and Emerging Market exacta box and a win bet on Emerging Market.

Good luck everyone.

[batt33]

My play will be a Renegade and Emerging Market exacta box and a win bet on Emerging Market.

Good luck everyone.

Thanks for the play STR! working on the late p-5 starting with 3,4,6,10

[batt33]

great run by determinstic! old school SBR horse!

[JBEX]

great run by determinstic! old school SBR horse!

thanks batt

yes it's been over 2 years that str and I have followed him and has developed into a great horse .. nice to see him win pressing vs being on the lead and also getting the extra half furlong from last year .. he should be plenty fit for the bc mile when the time comes

[batt33]

and this is why triple crown winners are few and far between.... some people believe some people doubt... in their horses.....

[str]

Well you have to give it to Golden Tempo. What a nice race he ran. Clearly the best horse today.
as for Renegade, he had no excuse I could see today. I might have( did) put too much emphasis in his final 1/8 and 1/4 in the race prior to the Derby.

The truly oldest horse won all three triple crown races this year. I already have a lean for next years Derby. Yep, the oldest horse.

[JBEX]

Well you have to give it to Golden Tempo. What a nice race he ran. Clearly the best horse today.
as for Renegade, he had no excuse I could see today. I might have( did) put too much emphasis in his final 1/8 and 1/4 in the race prior to the Derby.

The truly oldest horse won all three triple crown races this year. I already have a lean for next years Derby. Yep, the oldest horse.

watched the replay more than a few times

looked like from the ground level head on about 3/4 way around the far turn renegade was trying to pass emerging markets but wallabee closed it up on him .. looked like his back end came out a bit in the process.. wound up going outside but that had to cost him some momentum

[JBEX]

watched the replay more than a few times

looked like from the ground level head on about 3/4 way around the far turn renegade was trying to pass emerging markets but wallabee closed it up on him .. looked like his back end came out a bit in the process.. wound up going outside but that had to cost him some momentum

actually watching it again from the overhead it's #1 vitruvian man who bears out severely and knocks renegade sideways

[JBEX]

sunday at monmouth there's an army mule 2yo first time starter who's a full sister to bel pensiero and molly's a bullet ..R2 veloce mulo (8-1) 1:24

[JBEX]

sunday at monmouth there's an army mule 2yo first time starter who's a full sister to bel pensiero and molly's a bullet ..R2 veloce mulo (8-1) 1:24

means " fast mule " we will see

[str]

watched the replay more than a few times

looked like from the ground level head on about 3/4 way around the far turn renegade was trying to pass emerging markets but wallabee closed it up on him .. looked like his back end came out a bit in the process.. wound up going outside but that had to cost him some momentum

I think your analysis is correct JBEX. Renegade had some trouble. That is going to happen with a closer sometimes. But I am disappointed with the overall performance. More than his , mine, in that Emerging Market was a stab and a poor one at that.
When a Horse has run in them, and they are simply better, they often times don’t have to overcome obstacles because they are in and past those obstacles quickly. IMO he just ran ok. I thought he was much better than that going into the Derby. I was wrong.
I am not giving up on him by any means but.. he needs to pick his game up and quite frankly, so do I.
I hope he does. I know I will.
And speaking of that, …. Deterministic!!!!. Wow !
He has matured and the coolest thing about that is we got to watch it in slow motion from the beginning. Real nice call on your part to spot him and for me it was easy to see what he needed to improve on. And boy did he. A fantastic job by Mr. Clements son and that entire team to carry on the process and allow this horse to blossom. Stuff like that is special and great to witness.
An excellent job of landing on him so early JBEX. He is the real deal.

[str]

means " fast mule " we will see

Is that Latin ? If so, I should have known that. I took two years of it at Gonzaga and a summer school of it as well. If it’s Spanish, never took that. I took French and can’t speak but a word of it. Ah, Voila la factore. “There’s the postman”. That’s all I got. 7 years of French. What a moron.
if I hadn’t have been sneaking a racing form in and folding the pages to fit the book so I could handicap I would have told you what it meant. Lolol. But I did know all about Hoist The Flag !
How on earth I graduated on time is beyond me.

[dollarbill]

Well you have to give it to Golden Tempo. What a nice race he ran. Clearly the best horse today.
as for Renegade, he had no excuse I could see today. I might have( did) put too much emphasis in his final 1/8 and 1/4 in the race prior to the Derby.

The truly oldest horse won all three triple crown races this year. I already have a lean for next years Derby. Yep, the oldest horse.

Said top 4 were not in inquiry and when they showed replay I counted 5-6 times golden tempo was whipped in stretch..... is this legal?

[str]

Said top 4 were not in inquiry and when they showed replay I counted 5-6 times golden tempo was whipped in stretch..... is this legal?

Whip Rules were not written when I trained. That said, everything is reviewed and if anything looked unacceptable , a fine would be levied if there was any whip infraction. No DQ though.

I saw the replay head on a few times and what I saw was how these guys try and get tight to intimidate the other horses or make the other riders check. They are the best of the best but they are playing a very dangerous game with that.
I lay all the blame at the feet of the Stewards. They allow it. Someday, it’s going to end badly.
it’s totally unnecessary but if you allow it, what do you expect.

[JBEX]

I think your analysis is correct JBEX. Renegade had some trouble. That is going to happen with a closer sometimes. But I am disappointed with the overall performance. More than his , mine, in that Emerging Market was a stab and a poor one at that.
When a Horse has run in them, and they are simply better, they often times don’t have to overcome obstacles because they are in and past those obstacles quickly. IMO he just ran ok. I thought he was much better than that going into the Derby. I was wrong.
I am not giving up on him by any means but.. he needs to pick his game up and quite frankly, so do I.
I hope he does. I know I will.
And speaking of that, …. Deterministic!!!!. Wow !
He has matured and the coolest thing about that is we got to watch it in slow motion from the beginning. Real nice call on your part to spot him and for me it was easy to see what he needed to improve on. And boy did he. A fantastic job by Mr. Clements son and that entire team to carry on the process and allow this horse to blossom. Stuff like that is special and great to witness.
An excellent job of landing on him so early JBEX. He is the real deal.

think if renegade and golden tempo each had the other's trip renegade wins that race .. with fair pace scenarios and ok racing luck I think he'll run well in whatever path he chooses this summer


appreciate the good word on deterministic ..
we've both enjoyed seeing him develop into a truly great horse .. possibly the best turf horse in the country right now .... looking back on it having the trouble he did in the aqueduct derby prep series may have been a blessing in disguise as it possibly pushed the connections to try the turf which certainly couldn't have worked out any better .. the tally on the grass is 7 wins, 2 2nd's and a 3rd from 10 graded stakes starts !
let's hope he stays healthy and gets to run at keeneland the first week of november

[JBEX]

Is that Latin ? If so, I should have known that. I took two years of it at Gonzaga and a summer school of it as well. If it’s Spanish, never took that. I took French and can’t speak but a word of it. Ah, Voila la factore. “There’s the postman”. That’s all I got. 7 years of French. What a moron.
if I hadn’t have been sneaking a racing form in and folding the pages to fit the book so I could handicap I would have told you what it meant. Lolol. But I did know all about Hoist The Flag !
How on earth I graduated on time is beyond me.

Italian and he certainly didn't live up to his name

ran fairly evenly way back of the pack and obviously too early to give up on a 2yo this early..possibly just wanted to just get him some experience on the track .. try and keep an eye out for him

[str]

Well, if things go as planned I will be at Laurel Park on Wednesday. No races though. I am scheduled to speak to the Md. racing commission at their monthly meeting At 1PM , so I can present the non profit I am starting along with an old friend from my track days. Hoping for positive feedback.
STABLE FOOTING Inc. has been formed and accepted by the state of Md. as a 501-C-3 non profit corporation.
After I present it on Wednesday, I’ll post it here so you folks can see it.
Fingers crossed!

[JBEX]

best of luck and hope things go well str !

[batt33]

Well, if things go as planned I will be at Laurel Park on Wednesday. No races though. I am scheduled to speak to the Md. racing commission at their monthly meeting At 1PM , so I can present the non profit I am starting along with an old friend from my track days. Hoping for positive feedback.
STABLE FOOTING Inc. has been formed and accepted by the state of Md. as a 501-C-3 non profit corporation.
After I present it on Wednesday, I’ll post it here so you folks can see it.
Fingers crossed!

Good Luck STR!

[BOA12]

A great cause

for great people.

Right on horse/

horseman lover

brother, literal

man of the

people.

[batt33]

Pretty cool shot of the turf course! (couldn't get the video to work)
Bacio: Workout



Bacio breezed this morning on The Heath as he continues preparations for his start at Royal Ascot. He can be seen in the video breezing on his own several lengths ahead of fellow Wesley Ward trainees Outfielder and EZ Tina.

Entries for the race are to be taken five days prior to the race. We will be back once entries are released.

[batt33]

The uphill finish is interesting!

[str]

The uphill finish is interesting!

That uphill run to the finish line is a heck of a stamina test. Whew !

And that picture of your horse in front looks like more than several lengths to me Batt. You’re being very kind.

[batt33]

Thanks STR! I hope things went well today!

[str]

Thanks STR! I hope things went well today!

Thanks Batt. We were very well received. There was widespread interest and most had no idea the protection loophole that these retired folks even are in even existed.
As the meeting adjourned, I was approached by a man named Frank Vespe who has a podcast with " THE RACING BIZ" and asked if I would do a podcast with him. He mentioned next Monday or Tuesday. He will be in touch with me and I will let you all know.

I wrote a 3 page statement that was read and I will post it . As far as I am concerned, this has to happen. There are too many people, damn good people, who would have done whatever it takes to help one another in a time of need that are now quietly in need and are suffering in silence. They are humble. They are kind, and it's already late in the game for many.