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    thoro-graph 12/26 -31

    all products are free for account holders so going to solely use them for all handicapping decisions..have used them a lot over the years and think I have a pretty good feel and understanding of them.gulf and opening day santa anita on weds..may do some live play..see what happens..these plays will not be graded

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    GL JBEX. May jump in with some t-graph plays if you are playing live. See how we both interprete the data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    GL JBEX. May jump in with some t-graph plays if you are playing live. See how we both interprete the data.
    absolutely.. may do at least one live on weds.. I'll post weds morning whether I'm going to play gulfstream live

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    Looking forward to the plays, often wondered about this product,

    Thanks for sharing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Getch13 View Post
    Looking forward to the plays, often wondered about this product,

    Thanks for sharing
    Merry Christmas
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    same to you getch..they're prohibitively expensive at about $25 a track..basically 4 columns on a page each representing a year of the horse's career..the number factors (in addition to what regular speed figures do) ground loss and weight carried ).the lower the number the better the performance..idea is not only to find who ran the best last race but who may be leading up to a good effort based on his pattern of figures..lots of good trainer and pedigree info..also there own mechanical pattern recognition stats appear on each sheet ..they also have a tool that attempts to predict what the positioning might look like at the first call..that's a quick summary of what they are
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
    same to you getch..they're prohibitively expensive at about $25 a track..basically 4 columns on a page each representing a year of the horse's career..the number factors (in addition to what regular speed figures do) ground loss and weight carried ).the lower the number the better the performance..idea is not only to find who ran the best last race but who may be leading up to a good effort based on his pattern of figures..lots of good trainer and pedigree info..also there own mechanical pattern recognition stats appear on each sheet ..they also have a tool that attempts to predict what the positioning might look like at the first call..that's a quick summary of what they are
    My thinking was their trying to predicted the horses form cycle in hopes of finding when the horse might be piking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getch13 View Post
    My thinking was their trying to predicted the horses form cycle in hopes of finding when the horse might be piking
    yes and deciding if that will be enough to be competitive in the race

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    easy..going to do santa anita live tomorrow and skip gulfstream..try to put up my picks at least 5 mtp and if you want to go back n forth about a race that's fine..know i've done it before but find capping a whole card in advance with the sheets a bit tedious

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    OK. Yeah will be looking over SA with Bris and Sheets. Probably post some plays here as well. GL.

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    santa anita.. opening day


    looking now.. will try and post at least 5 mtp but a lot sooner if possible.. I will be on the 1st race


    R1 #1 fritz johansen
    R2 #3 naughty sophie
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
    santa anita.. opening day


    looking now.. will try and post at least 5 mtp but a lot sooner if possible.. I will be on the 1st race
    OK will look and post as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    OK will look and post as well.


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    easy.. posted R1

    whole card will be in post 10 and will post when I put them up

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
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    easy.. posted R1

    whole card will be in post 10 and will post when I put them up
    Got Brown analysis. He likes the #1 race 1. GL,


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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    Got Brown analysis. He likes the #1 race 1. GL,






    outside of the last poor effort at gg looks good in here.. has the numbers and has improved nicely off the long layoff.. I'm just using the sheets and my own analysis

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    With scratch of #5 think the #9 Orchestral may get an easy lead. Box with the #2/#7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    With scratch of #5 think the #9 Orchestral may get an easy lead. Box with the #2/#7
    gave it up rather easily

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    gave it up rather easily

    yeah mine a dead piece also

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    With scratch of #5 think the #9 Orchestral may get an easy lead. Box with the #2/#7
    6 was scratched not the 5

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    posted R2

    like favorite #3.. currently even money.. toss last 2 turf races and sprints 3-6 back are ridiculously faster than these.. not a big drop either.. should trounce this field

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
    posted R2

    like favorite #3.. currently even money.. toss last 2 turf races and sprints 3-6 back are ridiculously faster than these.. not a big drop either.. should trounce this field
    Yeah good point. But a lot of speed per BRIS signed up. Have a feeling the 3/4/5/6/7 are going to go. Playing the #1 Amers who looks a tad slow on the sheets but closed into Moderate pace last out. Also the #5 Chatty with the blinks on and a competitive number on sheets at first asking. GL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    Yeah good point. But a lot of speed per BRIS signed up. Have a feeling the 3/4/5/6/7 are going to go. Playing the #1 Amers who looks a tad slow on the sheets but closed into Moderate pace last out. Also the #5 Chatty with the blinks on and a competitive number on sheets at first asking. GL.
    according to their pace projection he's the speed of the speed.. we'll see

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
    according to their pace projection he's the speed of the speed.. we'll see
    Agreed

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    good call on the 1..stalking the lone pace setter worse place to be and the 7 did figure to be close.. three 5's when most of the field can't run single digits ...just shows how pace can affect things

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
    good call on the 1..stalking the lone pace setter worse place to be and the 7 did figure to be close.. three 5's when most of the field can't run single digits ...just shows how pace can affect things
    Yeah thx. Just got up by a nose. Brown liked the #4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    Yeah thx. Just got up by a nose. Brown liked the #4

    the 9 and 10 he ran two and three back clear 2nd best sprint numbers.. clear value but have to see these things beforehand (me)

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    R3 #4 rinse and repeat

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
    R3 #4 rinse and repeat
    Like him as well. Going with the #6 Shane Zain. Shades back on, recent bullet blistering work, cut back, drops. Looks a bit slow on numbers but giving him a spin. Box with the #4

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    try and beat the horse with the consistent best numbers (aka obvious) he wins easy at 9-5 ..no regrets

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
    try and beat the horse with the consistent best numbers (aka obvious) he wins easy at 9-5 ..no regrets

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    R4

    #6 xs gold.. turf numbers last and 3 back work here
    #8 love and peace.. euro #s competitive.. prat

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    Going with a shot here the #4 Stradella rd. Like the progression on figures, Box with the favs 1/3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    Going with a shot here the #4 Stradella rd. Like the progression on figures, Box with the favs 1/3
    3rd at 50/1

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    SA R5: #1 One bad Boy and the #9 Scalper. 2 FTS. Hope for the best

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    R5

    #11 big scott daddy

    way he's bet

    was going to go #10 but cold on the board

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBEX View Post
    R5

    #11 big scott daddy

    way he's bet

    was going to go #10 but cold on the board
    8/1 score good call

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