Whats going on with the SEC?

[SamsonSharp]

Maybe im a SEC homer but whats going on with the SEC this year?
Is it a down year or just bad match ups.

Clemson 21, Kentucky 13 L
Georgia 44, Texas A&M 20 W
Virginia Tech 37, Tennessee 14 L
Auburn 38, Northwestern 35 (OT) W (but OT against Northwestern!?)
Penn State 19, LSU 17 L
Florida 51, Cincinnati 24 W
Mississippi 21, Oklahoma State 7 W
Connecticut 20, South Carolina 7 L
Arkansas 20, East Carolina 17 (OT) W (Ark played horrible and got lucky to win in OT)

5-4 is not a good conference record at all...

[Mac4Lyfe]

They were favored in only 5 games and won the 5. Why would you expect more wins? They covered the spread in 4 games. Pretty much 50/50. The LSU game was a coin flip. That last penalty killed LSU along with Les Miles clock issues. Flip that game and the SEC is 6-3.

The conference has some horrible QBs and that's whats hampered it. The defenses are pretty good for the most part. It's basically 2 very good teams with Bama and UF then a bunch of average teams from 3 to 10 then one bad Vandy team.

Also note that the SEC and B10 both usually have poor bowl matchups because they get 2 teams in BCS bowls which moves everybody else down.

[Sunde91]

Umm, I don't understand what's surprising?

The only way it's surprising is if you buy into the absurd hype.

The SEC is overrated.

Florida and Bama are the conference. The bottom 10 are average to below average.


They were outplayed in 6/7 of their 9 games and if NW and ECU had a kicker, the SEC would be 3-6.

Winning BCS "titles" means nothing. Play shit OOC, win in your overrated conference, and then you only have to win one game for the "title".

[RPP]

I'm glad the Big East got a win over them.

[mmike032]

here we go again

[SamsonSharp]

I dont know how you think the SEC can be overrated...
The national championship has been decided in the Georgia Dome the past 3 years, and after January 7 I think it will be 4

I excepted the SEC to win all of there games except South Carolina (still thought they might) it seemed like they werent really motivated out there

[Sunde91]

I dont know how you think the SEC can be overrated...
The national championship has been decided in the Georgia Dome the past 3 years, and after January 7 I think it will be 4

I excepted the SEC to win all of there games except South Carolina (still thought they might) it seemed like they werent really motivated out there

Apparently you didn't read what I said about "National Championships".

LSU, Florida, and Bama playing round-robbin for the "title" by winning in an overrated conference is not an achievement.

And more so, to show how stupid it is to brag about "titles", consider the fact that 2006 Florida needed UCLA to pull an inexplicable upset over USC in the final week of the season in order for Florida to go to the NC.

Likewise, 2007 LSU needed Pitt to upset WVU in the final week for them to go.

The 2007 title game could have been between Mizzou/WVU/OSU/LSU going into championship weekend.

It's completely absurd to take that with any merit when a team ends up in the "title game" based on the happen stance of other teams.

[Sunde91]

I excepted the SEC to win all of there games except South Carolina (still thought they might) it seemed like they werent really motivated out there

Kentucky over Clemson? REALLY?
Auburn/LSU sweep over NW/PSU? REALLY?
Tenn over VT? REALLY?

You expected all of that?

You are the definition of a delusional SEC fan.

Thank "god" for shitty kickers or the SEC is 3-6.

[Sunde91]

The LSU game was a coin flip. That last penalty killed LSU along with Les Miles clock issues. Flip that game and the SEC is 6-3.

Mac4Lyfe, absolutely kill yourself.

After all the breaks the SEC got despite being outplayed in 7 of their 9 games coming out with 5 wins, you say that. Just kill yourself.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Mac4Lyfe, absolutely kill yourself.

After all the breaks the SEC got despite being outplayed in 7 of their 9 games coming out with 5 wins, you say that. Just kill yourself.

Just because your a stupid pompous ass doesn't make you right. The SEC played more OOC BCS teams then any other BCS conference AND they owned them head to head. The SEC only lost 4 games in the season OOC. Bowl games are crap shoots, with long layoffs, kids eating too much turkey, etc. LSU had plenty of chances to win that game. Both PSU and LSU were pretty even talent wise. I'm not sure what point your trying to make but that your a hater.

There's a reason the SEC puts out more NFL players every year then any other conference. I don't think the gap is a wide as SEC homers want to make it but you sir are an idiot if you can't tell the difference in talent. Just look up any recruiting board and see where all the top talent go. The SEC routinely has half of the teams in the top 10 every year. usually 8 or 9 teams are in the top 25. Now talent doesn't mean wins but you need to wake the fuk up because your in denial.

The SEC has 2 problems... poor QB's and a few stale, maybe lazy coaches.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Mac4Lyfe, absolutely kill yourself.

After all the breaks the SEC got despite being outplayed in 7 of their 9 games coming out with 5 wins, you say that. Just kill yourself.

What 7 games were they out played in??? Your stupid as hell...

[Mac4Lyfe]

I'm glad the Big East got a win over them.

Yeah, that was a great win Cincinatti had last night... Oh wait

Stick to basketball... you didn't even belong in that game.

[BigdaddyQH]

What is happening here is not that strange. The MAC has continued to lose bowl games. The favorites have won slightly more games than the dogs S/U, significantly more games if you do not count the 4 dog wins by the MWC, who definately had something to prove in these bowl game and proved it. Other than that, this is a typical bowl season. There are no stats that really stand out other than how well the MWC has done this year.

[daneblazer]

Yeah SEC is terrible. They were like what 41-6 out of conference this season?

• The SEC leads the Big Ten with a 63-45-2 all-time record.
• The SEC has a .582 winning percentage versus the Big Ten.

Since 1990, the SEC leads the ACC in head-to-head games with a 65-50-2 (.564) record.
The SEC leads the Big 12 in all-time head-to-head match-ups with an 17-15-0 (.531) record. Against the Big 12's predecessor (the Big Eight) the SEC had a 43-43-6 (.500) record.


The SEC leads the Pac-10 59-36-5 (.615).



Time to disband the SEC and combine them with the SWAC

[BigdaddyQH]

I hate to burst your bubble, but since 1999, the Pac 10 is 11-7 against the SEC. Ofcourse the SEC has teams that are afraid to schedule the Pac 10. Hell, Florida is afraid to schedule any non-conference game out of state. Then there are other teams like Tennessee who always seem to schedule Pac 10 teams. If you think 5-4 is not a good record, what about 3-6 ATS? The SEC, like the Pac 10, has been a major money burner in the bowl season. How about 5-11 for the two best conferences last bowl season. This happens all the time. This is why Vegas makes so much money in the bowl season. Everyone thinks about last year. Well, the only Pac 10 team to win a bowl game last year and repeat this year was USC, who just does not lose bowl games very often anyways. The SEC has had better luck, with Florida, Georgia and Ole Miss repeating. The bottom line is that you can not read anything into any of this.

[Sunde91]

What 7 games were they out played in??? Your stupid as hell...

HMMM

Outplayed in:

Kentucky/Clemson
Tenn/VT
Auburn/NW (won in OT to an ivy league level academic school w/o a kicker)
LSU/PSU
SC/Conn
Ole Miss/Ok State (won after several game-breaking, objectively wrong calls)
Ark/ECU (couldn't beat C-USA because they didn't have a kicker...)

Kickers + non-unequivocally wrong calls in Miss/OSU game = SEC 2-7

But no, let's say the SEC would be 6-3 w/o the LSU penalty. Even though it wasn't LSU's own fault they called a WR screen in the middle of the field with no TOs and 30 seconds left and had no realistic shot of a FG.

[Sunde91]

The SEC leads the Big Ten with a 63-45-2 all-time record.

Teams currently in the Big Ten all-time vs teams currently in the SEC all-time = 97-91-7 Big Ten.

Since the creation of the BCS, the Big Ten is 16-15 in bowls vs the SEC.

The SEC is overrated, period. That is the point of my posts.

(I bet people don't even know what overrated means...it doesn't mean "suck")

[Sunde91]

The SEC routinely has half of the teams in the top 10 every year. usually 8 or 9 teams are in the top 25.

I will bet EVERYTHING I have that you cannot show me A SINGLE INSTANCE of the SEC having 5 teams in the top 10 or 8 in the top 25 in a single week in the BCS era.

And when you do, which you won't, go ahead and show me that being true "routinely"....
I'm the one who doesn't know anything?

[SamsonSharp]

Kentucky over Clemson? REALLY?
Clemson got murdered by South Carolina 34-17 in their last regular season game then lost to Georgia Tech (Who got badly beaten by Georgia). They were also only up 1 until UK fumbled inside there own 20..

Auburn/LSU sweep over NW/PSU? REALLY?
Auburn had a definite talent advantage over NW and name one good win Penn State had during the regular season?

Tenn over VT? REALLY?

The best win VT had all season was a last second win over Nebraska. UT was a 2 blocked FGs away from beating Alabama (Who mostly liking will be NC). Monte Kiffin is a Defensive genius and had a month to prepare. UT was very much in this game till Moore dropped a wide open TD pass

You expected all of that?

You are the definition of a delusional SEC fan.

Thank "god" for shitty kickers or the SEC is 3-6.

So I dont really see anything "delusional" about my thinking

[mmike032]

BCS ALLTIME RECORDS


Conference
Percentage (Record)
Mountain West
1.000 (2-0)

Southeastern
.706 (12-5)

Pacific-10
.692 (9-4)

Big East
.545 (6-5)

WAC
.500 (1-1)

Big 12
.438 (7-9)

Big Ten
.421 (8-11)

Atlantic Coast
.182 (2-9)

Independents
.000 (0-3)

[Jasonal_98]

I will bet EVERYTHING I have that you cannot show me A SINGLE INSTANCE of the SEC having 5 teams in the top 10 or 8 in the top 25 in a single week in the BCS era.

And when you do, which you won't, go ahead and show me that being true "routinely"....
I'm the one who doesn't know anything?

September 14, 2008 AP Poll

http://www.appollarchive.com/football/ap/seasons.cfm?appollid=976

#3 Georgia, #4 Florida, #6 LSU, #9 Alabama, #10 Auburn

I, obviously, accept your bet.

[HoldEmHook!!]

Kentucky over Clemson? REALLY?
Auburn/LSU sweep over NW/PSU? REALLY?
Tenn over VT? REALLY?

You expected all of that?

You are the definition of a delusional SEC fan.

Thank "god" for shitty kickers or the SEC is 3-6.

people who live in glass houses shouldnt throw rocks.....Vtech is one of the best teams in the Acc and they played a mid level SEC team in Tenn.......Lsu had to play on the worst field I have ever seen and that game was a coin toss, On an average field Lsu rolls Penn st....And Penn st is one of the elite big 10 teams LSU a MId level SEC team....Clemson and KY.....Brooks gave up on KY.....He resigned after the game...if you watched that game you would have seen the play calling was suspect....You are the Rush Limbaugh of this thread....Complaining and picking everything appart after the fact...Hind sight luckily for you is 20/20

[Jasonal_98]

It doesn't happen routinely, but it does happen.

[HoldEmHook!!]

Teams currently in the Big Ten all-time vs teams currently in the SEC all-time = 97-91-7 Big Ten.

Since the creation of the BCS, the Big Ten is 16-15 in bowls vs the SEC.

The SEC is overrated, period. That is the point of my posts.

(I bet people don't even know what overrated means...it doesn't mean "suck")

Thats because your elite teams are in shitty bowls with a few execptions and are preying on weaker SEC schools.....The SEC elite teams are normaly playing games of Magnitude so by virtue of elimination other conferences send their top teams to play Sec mid-level teams so.

[BigdaddyQH]

Well, there is a lot of money coming in on Texas, so we will see what we will see. I took 'Bama myself, so that can be the kiss of death, but whatever. There is no doubt that the SEC has been the best conference overall, but last year the Pac 10 would have handled them easily. This year, the reverse is true. It is a silly argument to get into, because of two things. First, there is NO NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. There is a BCS Champinship game, but I can argue for 2 #1 teams. The BCS #1 team, and the non-BCS #1 team. Without a playoff, we will just never know. Second. The way the bowl games are stacked, teams often do not play teams of equal strength in bowl games. The Big 10 sends it's #2 team to the Capital One Bowl, and it's #3 team to the Outback Bowl. The SEC sent it's #2 team to a BCS game, so it's #3 team went to the Capital One Bowl, and it's #5 team went to the Outback bowl. Their #4 team went to the Cotton Bowl. Va. Tech, the ACC's #2 team played Tennessee, the SEC's #6 team in the Chick-Fil-A Bowl. So tell me, is the ACC better than the SEC because of that match up? Ditto the Music City Bowl when the SEC's #8 team, Kentucky, played the ACC's #4 team, Clemson.

[HoldEmHook!!]

Well, there is a lot of money coming in on Texas, so we will see what we will see. I took 'Bama myself, so that can be the kiss of death, but whatever. There is no doubt that the SEC has been the best conference overall, but last year the Pac 10 would have handled them easily. This year, the reverse is true. It is a silly argument to get into, because of two things. First, there is NO NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. There is a BCS Champinship game, but I can argue for 2 #1 teams. The BCS #1 team, and the non-BCS #1 team. Without a playoff, we will just never know. Second. The way the bowl games are stacked, teams often do not play teams of equal strength in bowl games. The Big 10 sends it's #2 team to the Capital One Bowl, and it's #3 team to the Outback Bowl. The SEC sent it's #2 team to a BCS game, so it's #3 team went to the Capital One Bowl, and it's #5 team went to the Outback bowl. Their #4 team went to the Cotton Bowl. Va. Tech, the ACC's #2 team played Tennessee, the SEC's #6 team in the Chick-Fil-A Bowl. So tell me, is the ACC better than the SEC because of that match up? Ditto the Music City Bowl when the SEC's #8 team, Kentucky, played the ACC's #4 team, Clemson.

Ok big D, who is the non-BCS #1

[BigdaddyQH]

Well, it's between TCU and Boise State. I guess we will find out tomorrow night. The point is that without a NC playoff, there is no real NC. Do I think Alabama could beat either TCU or Boise. Yes I do. Do I think Texas could beat either one of those teams. That is a definate "maybe". I really do not know.

[Sunde91]

September 14, 2008 AP Poll

http://www.appollarchive.com/football/ap/seasons.cfm?appollid=976

#3 Georgia, #4 Florida, #6 LSU, #9 Alabama, #10 Auburn

I, obviously, accept your bet.

You actually took the time to look it up



And how legitimate was that top 10? Auburn finished 5-7. LSU finished 8-5 unranked.

I'm seriously not going to look up every week but that is probably one of or thee only time ever. And two teams were vastly overrated.

[Sunde91]

Thats because your elite teams are in shitty bowls with a few execptions and are preying on weaker SEC schools.....The SEC elite teams are normaly playing games of Magnitude so by virtue of elimination other conferences send their top teams to play Sec mid-level teams so.

The SEC and Big Ten usually have two teams in the BCS each.

So it usually turns out to be Big Ten #3 vs SEC #3 in the Cap One Bowl and Big Ten #4/5 vs SEC #4/5 in Outback.

I don't understand how the Big Ten has its "elites" in non BCS while the SEC has its elites in BCS..? It's just that the SEC is not deep this year.

[Jasonal_98]

Yes, it took a lot of time and effort. I actually had to type the string "sec 5 teams top 10" into yahoo. I don't know how I was able to do it. 15 seconds of tough work.

Of course, I actually take the time to research what I say before I throw out statements. . .speaking of which. . .

You said:

I will bet EVERYTHING I have that you cannot show me A SINGLE INSTANCE of the SEC having 5 teams in the top 10 or 8 in the top 25 in a single week in the BCS era.

I'll take those points now.

[Sunde91]

I'll take those points now.

You're not serious, but in any case..

I was talking to Mac4lyfe specifically and used obvious hyperbole to stress the absurdity of his statement, that the SEC "routinely has 5 teams in the top 10", and highlighted this absurdity by posing a challenge to him to find one example, let alone "routine" occurences. Nothing agreed upon, nothing official. Explicitly, I owe you nothing.

And yes, that was the only time ever. http://blogs.tampabay.com/gators/200...ts-record.html

[Serbone]

Maybe im a SEC homer but whats going on with the SEC this year?
Is it a down year or just bad match ups.

Clemson 21, Kentucky 13 L
Georgia 44, Texas A&M 20 W
Virginia Tech 37, Tennessee 14 L
Auburn 38, Northwestern 35 (OT) W (but OT against Northwestern!?)
Penn State 19, LSU 17 L
Florida 51, Cincinnati 24 W
Mississippi 21, Oklahoma State 7 W
Connecticut 20, South Carolina 7 L
Arkansas 20, East Carolina 17 (OT) W (Ark played horrible and got lucky to win in OT)

5-4 is not a good conference record at all...

South Carolina game was a cold weather game, helped U Conn kids big time. Tennessee was missing some LB's, playing a premier VT team that IMO is as good at Georgia Tech, the ACC champ. Ark game was cold weather game, too, that negated Arkansas deep passing game. LSU game was in SLOP, Penn State had the edge 1st half, then LSU took over, too little to late. LSU was using 4th string running back in a run dominated offense.


I agree results not so hot. But circumstances went against them, look how Florida dominated.... then see if ALA wins. Then decide.

[Jasonal_98]

You're not serious, but in any case..

I was talking to Mac4lyfe specifically and used obvious hyperbole to stress the absurdity of his statement, that the SEC "routinely has 5 teams in the top 10", and highlighted this absurdity by posing a challenge to him to find one example, let alone "routine" occurences. Nothing agreed upon, nothing official. Explicitly, I owe you nothing.

And yes, that was the only time ever. http://blogs.tampabay.com/gators/200...ts-record.html

For the record, I do agree with many of your statements. The SEC, unlike most years, was extremely top-heavy this year. Alabama and Florida are the 2 best teams in the country. The rest of the conference is largely mediocre.

Anyway, I come to this forum to have fun and chat about gambling, not get into pissing contests. Peace.

[daneblazer]

The SEC also had teams like Suwanee in it back in the day. Maybe the Big 10 had teams like that in it too, I don't know. You have to talk modern football. No one really cares about what happened before WWII

[MUHerd37]

I love people talking about LSU having to play on a slop field. Last time I checked Penn St. had to play on that slop field as well. Serbone is talking about SEC teams having to play in cold weather???? Are you kidding me??? Maybe the NCAA can make a rule that all SEC teams have to play bowl games indoors. I mean heaven forbid a football game being played outdoors in the elements. I can't think offhand of any SEC team that even plays indoors at home. They all play outdoors in the elements all year long and then you wanna blame the weather at bowl time when it's cold?