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  • Jimmydafreak
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    • 08-29-08
    • 324

    #1
    VT vs. Bama (Extensive Write-Up)
    My write-up will focus primarily on Alabama because that is the team I know best. Many of you already know that I’m a lifelong Alabama fan and season ticket holder. I’m also very well connected when it comes to the Alabama football program. The purpose of this write-up, however, is not to convert you to being an Alabama fan, it is intended to be informative in order to help us all wager wisely and make some damn money!!!
    Also understand that I’ve lived most of my life in Virginia, and so I’m also a huge Hokies fan. Many of the people I went to high school with graduated from VT including my sister and brother-in-law, and I have personally spent a lot of time on that campus in the past. So, I follow the Hokies pretty closely, and feel I have a pretty good handle on that team.
    Last year I did a similar write-up for the Bama/Clemson game wherein I not only predicted Bama would win straight-up in convincing fashion, but that Bama would physically dominate Clemson. I firmly believe this year’s write-up will be equally accurate.
    Talent Level
    Despite having only mediocre talent last season, much to everyone’s surprise, Bama finished the season with an unblemished 12 & 0 regular season mark. This year, on the strength of back-to-back national recruiting championships, Saban has transformed Bama’s roster from one of mediocre talent to one that has an elite level of talent. There are only a handful of teams I would say possess elite talent, and they are the teams that consistently rank in the top 10 and top 5 of recruiting year in and year out. Some examples would be Florida, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Georgia and Ohio State. What I mean by elite talent is that when a player graduates or is injured, the team has a 4 or 5 star blue-chipper waiting in the wings to take his place. That is pretty much where is Bama is now from a personnel standpoint. I say this to make the point that the Bama team that takes the field against VT will be a VASTLY improved team from the one that dominated Clemson in last season’s opener.
    Because of the aforementioned talent level, Bama’s opener against VT, as I see it, is pretty much a talent mismatch. Not only is Bama better on both sides of the ball, they are pretty much better at every single position on both sides of the ball. In short, there’s really not a single VT player who could crack Bama’s starting lineup IMHO. An argument could be made for DE Jason Worilds or LG Sergio Render , but I don’t think either would make it. Worilds is a ferocious pass rusher, but he’s way too small to play DE in Saban’s 3-4, which means he would be a LB. Render is probably better than freshman Barrett Jones simply because of his experience, but he certainly isn’t physically more talented. And lest you think I’m being a total homer here, I would probably be saying the same thing if VT were playing one of the other teams I mentioned above. The bottom line here is that VT recruits at an ACC level, not on an elite level. A great recruiting class for VT is cracking the top 25. A disappointing recruiting year for Bama under Saban is not finishing in the top 5. There is a huge difference.
    Now as we all know, raw talent is not the alpha and the omega of determining who will win a particular game. As we saw from the Appalachian State/Michigan game a couple of years ago, almost any team is capable of beating another. But talent is a very good indicator, and so is coaching. Coaching staffs must develop the talent they have, and both Saban and Beamer do a tremendous job of that. That’s why they are at the top of their professions.
    VT’s Offense versus Bama’s Defense
    The biggest mismatch of the game is VT’s offense vs. Bama’s punishing defense. I will not go into great detail here, because it would make this write-up too long. Just trust me when I tell you that Saban’s defense is ridiculously talented, and ridiculously nasty. There are probably as many as 5 NFL first-round draft picks amongst the starters. And as good as Bama’s defense was last year, their Achilles heel was the lack of a pass rush, and that really cost them in SEC Championship game last year against the Gators. This year Saban will add a ferocious pass rush to a defense that pretty much no one could run against last year. Much of that pass rush will come from a guy almost nobody has heard of . . . yet – Marcel Darius. The guy is virtually unblockable.
    VT on the other hand never really has an offense that will scare anyone. They rank near the bottom of the ACC in almost every offensive catagory on an annual basis, and they may improve on that somewhat this year, but for the most part, expect the same kind of ball control attack that we’ve come to expect from Beamer. With injuries to their top 2 tailbacks, it looks as if the talented and highly-touted true freshman David Wilson will have the thankless job of running into Saban’s NFL-caliber defense. With his inability to be a threat in the vertical passing game (particularly the long ball), QB Tyrod Taylor has thus far only proven to be a one-dimensional threat, and that really plays into the Bama’s hands.
    The bottom line here is that VT’s offense has no big play ability, struggles to pass and pass protect, and struggles to score TDs in the red zone. Typically VT runs the ball well, but that simply isn’t going to happen in this game against this defense. I would personally be shocked if VT can find a single offensive play that will create a mismatch against Bama’s defense. I don’t see VT running the ball effectively. I don’t see them passing the ball effectively. In fact, I just don’t see them scoring. I see this offense versus defense matchup being very similar to last year’s Auburn/Bama game in which Bama’s defense pitched a shutout. VT and Auburn’s offenses are very similar - a dual threat QB, good RBs, good OL, and no real outside or vertical threats in the passing game. Thus, I believe we will see a similar result in this game.
    Bama’s Offense versus VT’s Defense
    This is where the rubber will meet the road in this game. Bud Foster’s defenses are legendary. Tech had a top 10 defense last year, and with most of their defense back, there is no reason to expect anything less this year. Moreover, most of the questions surrounding this Bama team are on the offensive side of the ball.
    I think VT will expect a conservative run-heavy attack from Bama based on what they did last year. And I’m quite sure Foster will counter by using his 4-4 box scheme, and may even drop down Kam Chancellor for a 9-man box at times. Foster has used this for years to not only stuff the run, but to pressure the QB. VT’s strategy will be quite simple; shut down the run and put pressure on Bama’s revamped offensive line and college QB neophyte Greg McElroy. I note that this has been a tried and true formula for beating Bama with both Brodie Croyle and John Parker Wilson under center. That is essentially what Utah did in the Sugar Bowl last year, and it was very effective primarily because they jumped out to a huge early lead.
    As I stated earlier, where Bama has an advantage is that they simply have better athletes than VT. The only player whose athletic ability really sticks out to me on the VT side is DE Jason Worilde. He is small, but he can be very disruptive. Other than that, what you see from VT are good garden variety college defenders who collectively will play great team defense.
    I know many of you are reading your pre-season magazines and are saying “but Freak, Bama lost their starting QB, starting RB and 3 starting offensive linemen.” I realize that of course. But despite having done so, I’m telling you that this will be a better offense than what you saw a year ago, and it may be significantly better. One reason will simply be because this is the offense’s second year under the tuteledge of OC Jim McElwain. Therefore the offense will be far more diverse this year, and will make much better use of Bama’s incredible offensive assets. And make no mistake about it; this offense is absolutely loaded with talent at the skill positions!!!
    Most people don’t really know much about Bama’s starting QB Greg McElroy (Gmac), but he is an outstanding QB who will surprise a lot of people this season. He is not like one of these freshmen that gets thrown into a game like we saw at Auburn and LSU last year. McElroy has been holding the clipboard for 3 years and is as ready as anyone can be to take the helm of the Bama offense, and he has been very impressive thus far.
    McElroy starred for national high school powerhouse Southlake Carroll High School in Texas, but only played his senior season because he sat behind Chase McDaniel (now with the Washington Redskins). But McElroy made the most of his playing time by throwing for 4,687 yards and 56 TDs (a Texas state record) his senior year. He led his team to the Texas Class 5A state title and was named offense player of the year in Texas. In his limited college career thus far, he is 16 – 20 for 196 yards with 2 TDs and 1 int.
    Gmac has already opened a lot of eyes when he participated in the Manning Passing Academy camp last month. He stunned many observers by outperforming the likes of Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy in many of the passing drills. See linky poo.
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/217498-alabama-has-a-big-surprise-for-opponents-greg-mcelroy
    I promise you that Gmac is a HUGE upgrade for Bama at the QB position. It’s funny when the Bama players, or even Saban for that matter are asked about Gmac, they all just smile real big and say he’s going to surprise some people. That appears to be the company line, but it also seems pretty obvious that the whole team is trying to restrain themselves so as not to let their secret weapon out of the bag. I think Kirk Herbstreit let the secret out a bit on the college preview show. He basically said the Gmac would be one of the biggest stories in college football this year, and I agree wholeheartedly. The real question, however, is how productive will he be in his first start against Bud Foster’s defense?
    Gmac doesn’t have an over-powering arm, but he is a very accurate passer, a good runner, and very smart. The biggest difference between him and last year’s QB John Parker Wilson (JPW) is that he is very adept at going through his progressions, something JPW was never able to master in his college career. More times than not JPW would stare down his primary receiver, and if he wasn’t open, the play was a bust. Gmac does a much better job of seeing the whole field, and spreading the ball around to different receivers, much the same way Tom Brady does.
    Contrary to what I think most people expect, I don’t think Bama will come out with a conservative, run-heavy offense against VT. As I alluded to above, Saban is supremely confident (and so is the rest of the team) in what Gmac can do. I think Bama will come out very aggressive on offense, and may even be slightly pass-heavy. And don’t be totally shocked if you see some no-huddle as well.
    And despite the preseason concerns about Bama’s OL, I can tell you that this line is replete with talent, and will be an outstanding group again this year. And while perhaps they may not be quite as dominating as last year’s group was, that’s not really necessary for this group to be successful. This line can and will pass and run block effectively, and they are extremely deep.
    Bama is just insanely talented and deep at the all skill positions led by I think the best receiver in college football – Julio Jones – and RB Mark Ingram, both of whom will be future NFL first round draft picks. There is also internet talk (I haven’t personally witnessed it at any of the practices or scrimmages) that Trent Richardson (the 5-star #2 RB prospect in the nation and a Bo Jackson clone) is working out of the Wildcat formation. So that may be something to watch out for as well. I will also add that Alabama’s offense is sick of having to go against probably the best defense in college football (with the possible exception of Florida) day in and day out, and they are looking forward to the vacation of facing a different defense. I guess we shall see.
    To be fair, in speaking to my friends in Virginia who follow the Hokie program closely, they are very confident about the game. One told me that that the word was that all the VT coaches were going around with sly little grins of confidence as they prepare for the game.
    I think VT’s defense will play well and put up a tremendous effort against Alabama, but ultimately the superior athletes of Bama, and the lack of production from their offense , will simply be too much for them to withstand. And as I concluded in my Clemson write-up last year, when the final seconds tick off the 4th quarter clock, there will be absolutely no doubt who the better team is, and it won’t be VT. My final score prediction is Bama 27 VT 3. So obviously I really like UNDER 38, and would not hesitate to pull the trigger on Bama at -7 either, although I would probably buy it down to -6.5 to be safe. But there is simply no way I can justify backing a team that I know has almost no chance of scoring in this game, and that is exactly the situation VT will find itself in this Saturday.
    BOL to all!!!

    FREAK OUT!!!
  • MartinBlank
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    • 07-20-08
    • 8382

    #2
    You lost me when you started the talent rant.

    Explain to me how Alabama's offensive line is better than it was last year.

    You won't be able to.

    Jimmy...would you just by chance happen to be an Alabama fan?
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    • Jimmydafreak
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      • 08-29-08
      • 324

      #3
      Martin, I realize it's a long write-up, but you obviously did not take the time to read it, because I explained in the first paragraph that I'm a lifelong Alabama fan and a season ticket holder. That explains why I almost never miss a Bama bet.

      And again, had you read the post, you would have realized that I conceded that Bama's OL probably won't be quite as dominant as last year, but it will be outstanding nevertheless.

      Because you were unable to form a constructive response, I recommend you take the sucker bet of week 1 (VT +7), then come back and talk to me after the game.

      FREAK OUT!!!
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      • pags11
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 08-18-05
        • 12264

        #4
        freak,

        so are you making a play on Alabama -7 then?...since Virginia Tech is a "sucker bet"?...
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        • ZBOIZ
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          • 06-22-08
          • 21464

          #5
          If Gmac was so great than why Saban gave Parker the starting job last year???
          Last edited by ZBOIZ; 08-30-09, 03:07 AM.
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          • Jimmydafreak
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            • 08-29-08
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            #6
            I will play either Bama -6.5 or Under 38, but not both.

            No disrespect intended whatsoever, but I absolutely think VT is a sucker bet. That is so because it is a very tempting line that I believe has virtually no chance of being a winner. I base that on my firm belief that VTs offense will be completely overmatched by Bama's defense in this game. And I certainly could not justify a play on team that I have no confidence can score. As I said above, I would be shocked if VT can find a single offensive play that will create a mismatch against Bama's defense.

            I personally think VT's best chance of scoring will be on defense or special teams, or having the defense or special teams setting the offense up for a score. And even that is unlikely to happen against a Saban coached team because they rarely make mistakes.

            The VT defense versus Bama's offense holds some intrigue, but Bama's offense will easily get into the 20s in this game and possibly the 30s. In the end, this really should not be a very close football game. The talent gap is just too large.

            As always, I wish you the best of luck Pags!!!
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            • Jimmydafreak
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              • 08-29-08
              • 324

              #7
              ZBOIZ because many coaches value experience over talent. I can give you 5 or 6 examples right now of starters that are playing ahead more talented backups. Is RT Drew Davis more talented than 5-star recruit Tyler Love or 5-Star recruit DJ Fluker? Of course not. But he is an experience senior who knows the offense, and as you know, cohesion is critical for an offensive line.

              I also do not think it is unreasonable to say that freshman QB AJ MCCarron will be even better than McElroy, but he is not ready. As I'm sure you are well aware, the new hot shot recruit usually doesn't just step in and assume a starting role. Barkley for USC is the exception.

              Yes, I am very comfortable in saying that McElroy will be a much better QB than JPW.

              Good Luck ZBOIZ!!!
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              • MartinBlank
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                • 07-20-08
                • 8382

                #8
                Oyyyy.

                Is your post supposed to be objective?

                How possibly do you expect anyone to take a gambling thread created by a FAN of said team?

                There are two kinds of bettors.

                Those that bet on their favorite teams.

                Those smart enough not to.
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                • MartinBlank
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                  • 07-20-08
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                  #9
                  Jimmy,

                  One question.

                  You seem to be big on this "talent gap is too large" idea.

                  What happened with Utah? Do you want me to believe Utah had more talent than Alabama? A team is only as good as its last game. Alabama is on an 0-2 skid, and while I understand your enthusiasm as a fan----please accept it for what it is. Your enthusiasm.
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                  • twentyonekid
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 08-09-09
                    • 883

                    #10
                    i like bama in this game also,with not much of a problem either
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                    • BigdaddyQH
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                      • 07-13-09
                      • 19530

                      #11
                      This is a homers post. To say that Alabama has anything tha resembles a good offensive line is a joke. They also have a QB that is not as good as last years QB, who was not good to begin with. Alabama had better hope that 17 points holds up, because unless the defense or special teams sets something up, or scores themselves, that is all they are going to get. If you want to give 7 points and take a team that willnot score many more than what you are giving, be my guest.
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                      • first48
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                        • 08-18-09
                        • 250

                        #12
                        jimmy,

                        Im a former Bama player under Mike Dubose 97-00..Im also a season ticket holder...I agree with you all the way on the talent gap between the two teams. Nick has put Bama on the national map far as recruiting! There is no comparing the two in this area!

                        McElroy was the talk of the Manning Camp for those who haven't heard...Tommy Tuberville was saying all good things about McElroy after he saw him at the camp..quote "Alabama will not fall off becasue of McElroy..he's a very, very good QB"...Overall he impress "ALOT" of people while he was at the camp, because people wanted to see what bama new QB was like!.....The OL is the question mark!!! and Beamer is known for having a defense!

                        But its known that Nick can't keep a entire staff together no long then a year..This is true! He's known as the "Pencil Shapner" because he grinds he's staff up with long hours and days, also with ridiculous rules!!!!!..they don't have a life....most come to get a little knowlegde from him and the money he offers his coaches!! Most can't handle the rules he sets for them......Bama loss some great coachs just in two yr?? go check!! The one reason Bama loss the Uath game was due too Kevin Steele (D.C) leaving going to Clemson..He wasn't into getting bama ready for the Bowl game...and you saw that on the field....defense look loss out there!! lol!!

                        I have a rule..." NEVER BET WITH OR AGAINST THE TIDE"....Trust me!!! Anyway....BOL...
                        Last edited by first48; 08-30-09, 10:58 AM.
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                        • ZBOIZ
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                          • 06-22-08
                          • 21464

                          #13
                          First48,

                          As I believe you guys only had 2 top recruiting classes with Saban. Stop acting like you guys ben in the Rivals and ESPNU top 5 the past 8 years. You guys were nobodies before last year. YOU WERE JUST IN THE INDEPENDENCE BOWL WITH A LOST TO UL MONROE WHO IS A 40 POINT DOG TO TEXAS THIS WEEK !! I'M NOT READY TO PUT ALABAMA AS AN ELITE PROGRAM JUST YET. BOTTOM LINE!
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                          • ZBOIZ
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                            • 06-22-08
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                            #14
                            Alabama has yet to win the SEC, SUGAR BOWL (DESTROYED), NATIONAL TITLE AND WANT TO THINK THEY ARE AN ELITE PROGRAM !!
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                            • MartinBlank
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 07-20-08
                              • 8382

                              #15
                              My favorite tidbit about Alabama concerns their 1925 "National Championship".

                              This is no joke.

                              In 1925 nearly every service awarded the National Title to Dartmouth.

                              That is until 1927 when a new poll came out. The Houlgate and Helms poll.

                              Alabama claims that if the Houlgate/Helms poll were available in 1925---they would have won it. So they now claim a national championship from a poll created 2 YEARS AFTER the season.

                              This would be similar to USC being awarded last year's title at the end of the 2010 if I created a new poll.

                              How insane is that?

                              Oh, and just in case.

                              Alabama did that very same thing 3 more times.
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                              • ZBOIZ
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                                • 06-22-08
                                • 21464

                                #16
                                damn Martin did'nt know that. Thanks for that knowledge
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                                • first48
                                  SBR Sharp
                                  • 08-18-09
                                  • 250

                                  #17
                                  ZBOIZ,

                                  LMAO!! I forgot..Nick built your Program!! I MUST HAVE HIT A SORE SPOT! becasue i was only making a statement that not to bet with or against bama and that Mcelroy want be the reason they don't seceed!!

                                  I was talking about the last two classes that Saban had at Bama...both were top ten....Since we speaking..Your quote.."You guys were nobodies before last year"..you funny!!!!... .There is no compare LSU History to THE TIDE!!. NOT IN WINS, BOWLS GAMES, NATIONAL TITLES, SEC TITLES, WEST TITLES, ALL AMERICANS, HALL FAMERS, ETC!!..I could go on forever!!..... ..I actually like you guys to win the west this yr....But lets face the facts!! Nick built your program and Les is still riding that wave!! ...FYI...Bama had two ten recruiting classes while i was there alone under Ronnie Contrell top 10 1999 & top 5 2000.........?? then went down due to probabtion and weak coaching..(Mike Shula)!!! What was LSU doing in the 90'???? 80'??? 70'????...lol!!... I want reply on this topic again..BOL anyway Zboiz!!!

                                  Remember little guy!! What do a elephant due when a fly or flee land on him???? NOTHING!!! its a small thing too a gaint!! LSU is a up an coming program compareD to the tide! So the statement "You guys were nobodies before last year"...is FUNNY!!!! Easily considered a Top 3 program in history by "ANYONE"..(other ND & Mich)!!.

                                  I want repond to anymore dumb ass statement made my fans like you!!...learn the game first..lol!!! Sorry Nick is now a crimson tide....You LSU fans still hurt i see!!
                                  Last edited by first48; 08-30-09, 01:15 PM.
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                                  • ZBOIZ
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                                    • 06-22-08
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                                    #18
                                    I rather Miles any day over Saban. I might sound like a fool but I rather him anyday. We have yet to loose to division 1AA since he has left and we have a better coaching staff. Say what you want but Les Miles put together a way better staff than Saban.


                                    Now you want to go to the HISTORY!! Yea you guys have great tradition, but you have'nt done shit lately for the recognition you all is getting. AND YES SABAN WOKE UP THE SLEEPING BEAST AT LSU AND HE ALSO WAS THE COACH OF OUR 2003 NATIONAL TITLE TEAM. WHEN WILL SABAN WIN YOU GUYS ONE ??
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                                    • ZBOIZ
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                                      • 06-22-08
                                      • 21464

                                      #19
                                      How you go underfeated in the regular season and accomplish nothing at all

                                      Miles would'nt have never had LSU looking that bad in the Sugar Bowl.

                                      As a matter of fact he is underfeated in Bowl Games...

                                      So you Bama fans can keep your SLOPPY SECONDS
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                                      • MartinBlank
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                                        • 07-20-08
                                        • 8382

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by ZBOIZ
                                        How you go underfeated in the regular season and accomplish nothing at all

                                        Miles would'nt have never had LSU looking that bad in the Sugar Bowl.

                                        As a matter of fact he is underfeated in Bowl Games...

                                        So you Bama fans can keep your SLOPPY SECONDS

                                        Z, no offense man. I hate Saban.

                                        But Miles didn't exactly impress me last year with his losing record in the SEC. Miles is the first LSU coach to surrender 50 points to 2 SEC teams in the same season.

                                        And it isn't as if LSU is without talent. It isn't like Miles has say, Kentucky's talent. His roster was filled with future NFL guys---and his team sucked last year---both on offense and defense.

                                        I am not ready to put Miles up there with the best guys just yet. The best guys don't fall as hard as Miles did last year.
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                                        • ZBOIZ
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                                          • 06-22-08
                                          • 21464

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by MartinBlank
                                          Z, no offense man. I hate Saban.

                                          But Miles didn't exactly impress me last year with his losing record in the SEC. Miles is the first LSU coach to surrender 50 points to 2 SEC teams in the same season.

                                          And it isn't as if LSU is without talent. It isn't like Miles has say, Kentucky's talent. His roster was filled with future NFL guys---and his team sucked last year---both on offense and defense.

                                          I am not ready to put Miles up there with the best guys just yet. The best guys don't fall as hard as Miles did last year.

                                          Miles fell pretty hard last year I will admit. But he had to let Perriloux go. And for doing that we gave up over 10 pick 6's last year and over 20 INT'S. We also as an offense put our defense in very bad situations, and at the end of the day they looked worse than the score predicted. Now our defense was horrible last year but thats Miles to blame for hiring within the program. He should of went out and got a top brand D.C. But he hired Co Cordinators to keep it within the program. Miles learned that you cant have TWO head people calling shots on defense. Like you say we had the talent so you know it was all COACHING! So what Miles did was (WHICH THIS IS WHY I LOVE HIM) he forced them out and hired a hell of a new crew. He went out and hired Chavis as you know, the Bears Defensive line coach to run our dline and Cooper the well respected secondary coach from South Carolina. And one thing about Miles when he see problems he's quick to fix it. Most coaches let there ego's get in front of them and take forever to make staff changes. Our team should be really improved this year on defense.

                                          Also on another note Saban is being named as one of the elite coaches by many people and by many people in Baton Rouge. But this is what I dont get.

                                          1) He only won 1 National Title
                                          2) He only had 2 seasons over 10 wins his whole coaching career (1 before last year)
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                                          • masr
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by ZBOIZ
                                            I rather Miles any day over Saban. I might sound like a fool but I rather him anyday. [/B]
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                                            • ImmaBammer12
                                              SBR Hustler
                                              • 09-25-08
                                              • 86

                                              #23
                                              Freak, I love the post and it's dead on. Yeah, I'm a lifelong fan but I can be objective and REAL about this team also.

                                              Honeslty, you actually told me stuff I didn't realize like the Manning Camp that Gmac went too. It's great to know that notable coaches are saying good things about him as well. I absolutlely love your writing style too as well as a great breakdown of each team.

                                              I myself am still nervous about the team and especially going up against Beamer. I'm just more concerned about the NCAA not dragging their feet on the Julio Jones and Mark Ingram ruling about the fishing trip so they don't get suspended. If there's no ruling by game time Saban will have to bench them till a ruling is made rather than risk a vacate if there was something to it.

                                              I will say I'm fully confident though that Bama can handle 7 pts though I do like the UNDER 38 as well. It really is hard to see them scoring much of anything other than some fieldgoals against our D.

                                              Now, I know this will be somewhat against all things that sports and football are played for but I truly believe is what happened in the Utah game. Bama laid down. Simple as that. Bama was playing for the National Championship last year not to play in the Sugar Bowl. Absolutely they were outplayed that entire ball game, no doubt about it. I mean if you're racing for 1st place how up are you going to be to play for a 4th place trophy when all you did was get beat by the 2nd best team in the nation at the time. It was a meaningless game in all honestly and that's how they played it. Just my opinion.
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                                              • pags11
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                                                • 08-18-05
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                                                #24
                                                first48,

                                                I really appreciated that insight on Saban...truly...good stuff...
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                                                • Jimmydafreak
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                                                  • 08-29-08
                                                  • 324

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by MartinBlank
                                                  Jimmy,

                                                  One question.

                                                  You seem to be big on this "talent gap is too large" idea.

                                                  What happened with Utah? Do you want me to believe Utah had more talent than Alabama? A team is only as good as its last game. Alabama is on an 0-2 skid, and while I understand your enthusiasm as a fan----please accept it for what it is. Your enthusiasm.
                                                  I appreciate you wanting to teach my about betting college football Martin, but I'm pretty sure I've been doing it longer than you've been alive. Moreover I was 8 -1 on Bama games last year, and will be 1 & 0 after week one this year. And after this game plays out exactly like I told you it would, you'll be no where to found like all the other people in the past who wanted to teach me how to bet on college football games.

                                                  Everyone on this board knows there are many factors that determine the outcome of football games, and talent is one of those. So of course the most talented team does not always win. We have this thingy in sports call "upsets." You may want to learn about these "upset" thingys if you're gonna wager money on sporting events.
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                                                  • MartinBlank
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                                                    • 07-20-08
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Jimmydafreak
                                                    I appreciate you wanting to teach my about betting college football Martin, but I'm pretty sure I've been doing it longer than you've been alive. Moreover I was 8 -1 on Bama games last year, and will be 1 & 0 after week one this year. And after this game plays out exactly like I told you it would, you'll be no where to found like all the other people in the past who wanted to teach me how to bet on college football games.

                                                    Everyone on this board knows there are many factors that determine the outcome of football games, and talent is one of those. So of course the most talented team does not always win. We have this thingy in sports call "upsets." You may want to learn about these "upset" thingys if you're gonna wager money on sporting events.
                                                    Now I am confused.

                                                    Now you are telling me about "upsets", yet you pretty much guaranteed Alabama would beat the number against VT.

                                                    Upsets only happen after the fact?

                                                    8-1 betting Alabama football last year? And how about 2007? Did you have them covering against UL-Monroe?
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                                                    • Jimmydafreak
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                                                      • 08-29-08
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by BigdaddyQH
                                                      This is a homers post. To say that Alabama has anything tha resembles a good offensive line is a joke. They also have a QB that is not as good as last years QB, who was not good to begin with. Alabama had better hope that 17 points holds up, because unless the defense or special teams sets something up, or scores themselves, that is all they are going to get. If you want to give 7 points and take a team that willnot score many more than what you are giving, be my guest.
                                                      Big daddy, you may try following the game if you're going to bet on it.

                                                      Alabama O-line is so good that all of the following player are backups: The #1 recruit in the nation 5-star D.J. Fluker (most experts think he'll be better than departed LT Andre Smith), 5-star Tyler Love, 4-star Alfred McCullough, 4-star Taylor Pharr, 4-star David Ross, 4-star Anthony Steen and 4-star John Michael Boswell. So not only will Bama's line be very good this year, it'll be even better next year. To put the 5-star rating in perspective, there are usually only about 25-30 5-star prospect in the entire country every year (at all positions).

                                                      The bottom line is that Bama is absolutely stacked on the o-line, and from top to bottom their o-line talent is probably the best in the nation!!!

                                                      Boy, somebody ought to be feeling pretty stupid right about now!!!
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                                                      • thegambler86
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                                                        • 01-02-08
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                                                        #28
                                                        Greek. This is a great writeup. No one knows how good Bama is. It's funny, I also have 27-3. I rewatched the sugar bowl and va tech has no chance of winning. Saban's MO is to make them quit. It may be close early (I doubt it), but in the second half bama will kill them. This spread is a gift. The fact that the masses are on va-tech makes me laugh. Last year bama made me so much money. My two best games were bama against Clemson and Georgia. The georgia game made me realize that I could cap and vegas' spreads have nothing with the outcome. I bet a ton on the the money line and even more on the spread. Excellent right up. Carpenter, Johnson, Vlachos, Jones, and Davis are money. This defense is going to be unreal. I also rewatched the UF game and it was pathetic. Tebow made so many out of your you know what plays. A questional PI call in fourth which gave UF a second chance and they scored a TD. The worst was JPW, he couldn't make a read to save his life. I agree, Bama will come out throwing, two words, Marquize Maise. He's going to be the bane of all the tech backers.
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                                                        • Jimmydafreak
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                                                          • 08-29-08
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by first48
                                                          jimmy,

                                                          Im a former Bama player under Mike Dubose 97-00..Im also a season ticket holder...I agree with you all the way on the talent gap between the two teams. Nick has put Bama on the national map far as recruiting! There is no comparing the two in this area!

                                                          McElroy was the talk of the Manning Camp for those who haven't heard...Tommy Tuberville was saying all good things about McElroy after he saw him at the camp..quote "Alabama will not fall off becasue of McElroy..he's a very, very good QB"...Overall he impress "ALOT" of people while he was at the camp, because people wanted to see what bama new QB was like!.....The OL is the question mark!!! and Beamer is known for having a defense!

                                                          But its known that Nick can't keep a entire staff together no long then a year..This is true! He's known as the "Pencil Shapner" because he grinds he's staff up with long hours and days, also with ridiculous rules!!!!!..they don't have a life....most come to get a little knowlegde from him and the money he offers his coaches!! Most can't handle the rules he sets for them......Bama loss some great coachs just in two yr?? go check!! The one reason Bama loss the Uath game was due too Kevin Steele (D.C) leaving going to Clemson..He wasn't into getting bama ready for the Bowl game...and you saw that on the field....defense look loss out there!! lol!!

                                                          I have a rule..." NEVER BET WITH OR AGAINST THE TIDE"....Trust me!!! Anyway....BOL...
                                                          Thanks so much for posting F48.

                                                          I put a link to a Gmac article from the Manning Camp in the writeup. I think if the line can give Gmac a little time to operate, he should have a pretty good game. With all the athletes Bama has in it's secondary, there is nobody on the team that can cover JJ, and neither will anyone on VT.

                                                          As Saban always says, he runs a demanding program, and I'm quite sure there are many people who wouldn't be comfortable working for him. By the same token, there are many coaches who would love to be able to list Saban on their resume.

                                                          I initially considered taking Bama in the Sugar Bowl last year, but the 11th hour loss of Steele, Smith, passed out players on Boubon Street, among other factors scared me away. Thank God!!!

                                                          While I think Bama will have a very solid o-line this year, I agree that this will be a very tough test for them in the first game, particularly Jason Worilds vesus JUCO All-American transfer James Carpenter. Worilds is small compared to what Carpenter sees in practice every day, so I don't think he'll bull rush him. Worilds's game is quickness and the speed rush. It'll be interesting to see how Carpenter handles it.

                                                          I've watched Carpenter quite a bit, and he impresses me as a very good pass blocker, maybe even better than Andre. Pass blocking never was Andre's strong suite. And given Worilds's small stature, I would think Bama should have some success running at him.

                                                          Are you very involved in the program any more? Or are you just a fan and season ticket holder? We really should hook up on game day sometime!!!

                                                          BOL to you this year!!!
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                                                          • The General
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                                                            • 08-10-05
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                                                            #30
                                                            Nice discussion guys

                                                            Have a great season
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                                                            • Jimmydafreak
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                                                              • 08-29-08
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by ImmaBammer12
                                                              Freak, I love the post and it's dead on. Yeah, I'm a lifelong fan but I can be objective and REAL about this team also.

                                                              Honeslty, you actually told me stuff I didn't realize like the Manning Camp that Gmac went too. It's great to know that notable coaches are saying good things about him as well. I absolutlely love your writing style too as well as a great breakdown of each team.

                                                              I myself am still nervous about the team and especially going up against Beamer. I'm just more concerned about the NCAA not dragging their feet on the Julio Jones and Mark Ingram ruling about the fishing trip so they don't get suspended. If there's no ruling by game time Saban will have to bench them till a ruling is made rather than risk a vacate if there was something to it.

                                                              I will say I'm fully confident though that Bama can handle 7 pts though I do like the UNDER 38 as well. It really is hard to see them scoring much of anything other than some fieldgoals against our D.

                                                              Now, I know this will be somewhat against all things that sports and football are played for but I truly believe is what happened in the Utah game. Bama laid down. Simple as that. Bama was playing for the National Championship last year not to play in the Sugar Bowl. Absolutely they were outplayed that entire ball game, no doubt about it. I mean if you're racing for 1st place how up are you going to be to play for a 4th place trophy when all you did was get beat by the 2nd best team in the nation at the time. It was a meaningless game in all honestly and that's how they played it. Just my opinion.
                                                              Thanks so much for the kind words IM!!!

                                                              It amazes me every year how someone will point to some abnormal game from the previous year to jusify why a team will or will not cover a game the following year. Last year when I said Bama would beat Clemson convincingly, many people said that wouldn't happen because they lost to Louisiana-Monroe the previous year, as if that had anything to do with anything. Utah is this year's Louisiana-Monroe.

                                                              The Julio/Ingram thing is totally absurd, but with the idiotic NCAA, you never know what they're going to do. USC openly pays players like Bush, yet the NCAA sees no evil. But when Julio and Ingram help a crippled man fulfill a dream to catch just one more fish, they raise their eyebrows. Absolutely unreal!!!

                                                              Saban has been hush-hush about it so far, so who knows. I'd be shocked if he sat them though. Even if he did, Bama's talent is soooooo deep, I don't think it would really alter the ultimate outcome.

                                                              BOL to you this year IM!!!
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                                                              • Jimmydafreak
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                                                                • 08-29-08
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by thegambler86
                                                                Greek. This is a great writeup. No one knows how good Bama is. It's funny, I also have 27-3. I rewatched the sugar bowl and va tech has no chance of winning. Saban's MO is to make them quit. It may be close early (I doubt it), but in the second half bama will kill them. This spread is a gift. The fact that the masses are on va-tech makes me laugh. Last year bama made me so much money. My two best games were bama against Clemson and Georgia. The georgia game made me realize that I could cap and vegas' spreads have nothing with the outcome. I bet a ton on the the money line and even more on the spread. Excellent right up. Carpenter, Johnson, Vlachos, Jones, and Davis are money. This defense is going to be unreal. I also rewatched the UF game and it was pathetic. Tebow made so many out of your you know what plays. A questional PI call in fourth which gave UF a second chance and they scored a TD. The worst was JPW, he couldn't make a read to save his life. I agree, Bama will come out throwing, two words, Marquize Maise. He's going to be the bane of all the tech backers.
                                                                Thanks Gambler!!!

                                                                It simply amazes me how, after out recruiting everybody in the country the last two years, people actually think Bama is "down" this year. Are you kidding me? That is particularly funny given how people thought Bama would be a 7 & 5 or 8 & 4 team last year and were a year away. So if Bama was a year away last year, how are they now all of a sudden "down" this year? Saban has stockpiled so much talent on this roster it should be illegal - and he will have another top 5 class again next year, if not top 3. There are no "down" years in Alabama's future anytime soon.

                                                                The basis of my play is that I just don't think VT will be able to score against Saban's NFL caliber defense. As I said in my write up, I think this is a complete mis-match.

                                                                I also was on Bama huge against Clemson & Georgia. In fact I predicted straight-up wins in both games.

                                                                Yeah, the SEC Championship game made me sick, because not only did Bama lose, but they failed to cover the spread. It was proven with photographs after the game that McClian did not grab the face mask. He had his hand on it, but did not grab it. I can't blame the official for making that call however, because it was a very close, but that was the call that cost Bama backers their money!!!

                                                                QB play was definitely the difference. Tebow was terrific, and JPW was . . . well JPW, which is to say he missed open receivers all day, particular JJ in the end zone with the score tied at 17. The throw was so bad that JJ couldn't even make an attempt at a catch.

                                                                The other thing that hurt Bama was their total inability to pressure Tebow. Florida's defense was able to bring pressure all day, Bama's defense wasn't.

                                                                I agree that Marquis Maze will hurt VT. I have mentioned him several times as a player to watch in this game (and this season). I don't remember if I mentioned him in my writeup or not. He would have had more of an impact last year if JPW could have gotten him the ball. If you want to see what Maze can do, watch the catch he made in the 1st quarter of the Clemson game. The play didn't count because of a penalty, but it was an absolute sick catch!!!

                                                                BOL Gambler!!!
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                                                                • first48
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                                                                  • 08-18-09
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Jimmy,

                                                                  Thanks...im a FORMER PLAYER so of course im a fan and a season ticket holder! Saban is really pushing for former players to come back to the program....Like we just had a private meeting on Aug 22 after the scrimage in Byrant Denny and a 1999 SEC CHAMPION REUNION BACK IN JUNE.....I sold or gave away most tickets this year...I have Family reunion in Moblie, Al so we couldn't make the opening against V.Tech in Atlanta..but the tickets sold pretty well!!! ..Anyway, im going to (HC) vs S.Carolina to see Saban and the Ole Ball Coach and Tenn-Chat...If you going to any of those games we can hook up for sure....BOL this season!! What about yourself, Are you very involved in the program any more? Or are you just a fan and season ticket holder?
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                                                                  • MartinBlank
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                                                                    • 07-20-08
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Jimmydafreak
                                                                    Thanks Gambler!!!

                                                                    It simply amazes me how, after out recruiting everybody in the country the last two years, people actually think Bama is "down" this year. Are you kidding me? That is particularly funny given how people thought Bama would be a 7 & 5 or 8 & 4 team last year and were a year away. So if Bama was a year away last year, how are they now all of a sudden "down" this year? Saban has stockpiled so much talent on this roster it should be illegal - and he will have another top 5 class again next year, if not top 3. There are no "down" years in Alabama's future anytime soon.

                                                                    The basis of my play is that I just don't think VT will be able to score against Saban's NFL caliber defense. As I said in my write up, I think this is a complete mis-match.

                                                                    I also was on Bama huge against Clemson & Georgia. In fact I predicted straight-up wins in both games.

                                                                    Yeah, the SEC Championship game made me sick, because not only did Bama lose, but they failed to cover the spread. It was proven with photographs after the game that McClian did not grab the face mask. He had his hand on it, but did not grab it. I can't blame the official for making that call however, because it was a very close, but that was the call that cost Bama backers their money!!!

                                                                    QB play was definitely the difference. Tebow was terrific, and JPW was . . . well JPW, which is to say he missed open receivers all day, particular JJ in the end zone with the score tied at 17. The throw was so bad that JJ couldn't even make an attempt at a catch.

                                                                    The other thing that hurt Bama was their total inability to pressure Tebow. Florida's defense was able to bring pressure all day, Bama's defense wasn't.

                                                                    I agree that Marquis Maze will hurt VT. I have mentioned him several times as a player to watch in this game (and this season). I don't remember if I mentioned him in my writeup or not. He would have had more of an impact last year if JPW could have gotten him the ball. If you want to see what Maze can do, watch the catch he made in the 1st quarter of the Clemson game. The play didn't count because of a penalty, but it was an absolute sick catch!!!

                                                                    BOL Gambler!!!

                                                                    Jesus Cripes.

                                                                    Saban's "NFL Caliber Defense"?

                                                                    Are you insane? Are you actually telling everyone that Alabama's defense is as good as an NFL team?

                                                                    I have met crazy Alabama fans.

                                                                    But you may just take their lunacy to new heights.

                                                                    Hey Sparky. I am saving this thread----and every other thread you post about Alabama. If you weren't so blinded by your bloated opinion of your program you would see what the rest of us do.

                                                                    And for the record. Take me and my opinion out of this. There are some seriously good cappers on this forum (PAGS for one) who think the play here is Virginia Tech.

                                                                    I will back here on Saturday night to either take my beating or to make a complete ass out of you.
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                                                                    • genuine1483
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                                                                      • 08-31-09
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