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    What is the best odds for Blackjack?

    Surrender, Double after split. Stand on soft 17? Double at anytime and split any two face cards

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    Double down on 10 showing for you

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    As long as dealer has a 8 or lower

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    What, exactly, are you asking here?

    Offhand I would say don't surrender on a 3/2 table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate rasta View Post
    Double down on 10 showing for you
    Ya. I know the basic strategy.

    I'm talking what house rules are the softest for the player?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    What, exactly, are you asking here?

    Offhand I would say don't surrender on a 3/2 table.
    You know the answer. Softest house rules. I've saved a lot on surrender and double after split. They even let me hit a soft hand when splitting aces

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    Wider options to split, including being able to double after splitting is pretty good.

    Can you split aces or 8s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otters27 View Post
    You know the answer. Softest house rules. I've saved a lot on surrender and double after split. They even let me hit a soft hand when splitting aces
    I see.

    Sure, you saved a lot on surrender but how much did you give up? How many of those surrenders could have been a win for you?

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    All in player's favour:

    (Late) Surrender ~0.1%
    DAS ~0.25%
    S17 ~0.2%

    Double any cards edge depends. With respect to 9-11 or 10-11? Edge is huge if in relation to 10-11 but 9-11 it's very slim

    I'm pretty sure most places let you split face cards because it's almost always a bad play. It IS the correct play sometimes depending on the count though (i.e. deck is rich in high cards). Hard to estimate the edge though since it's completely dependent on the remaining deck. I'd say around 0.1% if played perfectly (which no one can without software)

    These are all assuming 8 decks, obviously edge increases with fewer decks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otters27 View Post
    Ya. I know the basic strategy.

    I'm talking what house rules are the softest for the player?
    My bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate rasta View Post
    As long as dealer has a 8 or lower
    9 or lower

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate rasta View Post
    My bad
    No I asked the question wrong. Nate you like sublime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    I see.

    Sure, you saved a lot on surrender but how much did you give up? How many of those surrenders could have been a win for you?
    Small edge but this session they proved right

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    Ya I like sublime.i used to listen to them in high school.i seen them live in reno with the new singer last year.great show!
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    I kinda like Rastaman.

    I think he'll do well around these parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    Wider options to split, including being able to double after splitting is pretty good.

    Can you split aces or 8s?
    Ya split anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate rasta View Post
    Ya I like sublime.i used to listen to them in high school.i seen them live in reno with the new singer last year.great show!
    I saw sublime with Rome very good. Brads son is the only one to really cover him though

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    Asiagambler right about splitting face cards unless you know the count.

    And there are multiple ways to count, including tracking 5's or low, medium, and high cards that have been spent; and others.

    Multiple decks erode everything, basically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    Asiagambler right about splitting face cards unless you know the count.

    And there are multiple ways to count, including tracking 5's or low, medium, and high cards that have been spent; and others.

    Multiple decks erode everything, basically.
    So the online is rigged?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otters27 View Post
    So the online is rigged?
    Well, that's such a loaded question.

    Online where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    Well, that's such a loaded question.

    Online where?
    Nitro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otters27 View Post
    Stand on soft 17?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiggityDaggityDo View Post
    No meant the dealer has to stand on soft 17.

    I get to hit soft 17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otters27 View Post
    No meant the dealer has to stand on soft 17.

    I get to hit soft 17
    Oh I see, Otters. Carry on.

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    Blackjack is a losing game. There’s a reason casinos have more blackjack tables than any other table game.

    You have a better chance with Baccarat. There’s a reason why there’s only one Baccarat table running at every casino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    Blackjack is a losing game. There’s a reason casinos have more blackjack tables than any other table game.

    You have a better chance with Baccarat. There’s a reason why there’s only one Baccarat table running at every casino. They know which games are beatable.
    What is the best baccarat strategy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otters27 View Post
    Nitro
    There's been debate about them specifically over the years, actually, and even though I don't play online blackjack the truth is most casinos are legit. There will be a third party regulator and all should be well.

    It's possible to track hands and see, but for the most part this being done.

    So if it's bogus, your gonna hear about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    Asiagambler right about splitting face cards unless you know the count.

    And there are multiple ways to count, including tracking 5's or low, medium, and high cards that have been spent; and others.

    Multiple decks erode everything, basically.
    u would have to have a very favorable True count not running count to make any profits splitting 10's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otters27 View Post
    What is the best baccarat strategy?
    stay away. best strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggie12 View Post
    u would have to have a very favorable True count not running count to make any profits splitting 10's.
    Good point.

    Bottom line don't split them.

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    How about the strategy if you try to win three in a row ,roll it over and then reset

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    blackjack is almost dead for counters.... how can the average person win at blackjack... almost impossible now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggie12 View Post
    blackjack is almost dead for counters.... how can the average person win at blackjack... almost impossible now.
    Lake Tahoe

    One table, single deck, 3/2 blackjack, high limit tables, taking all comers in Harrahs. Nearly always open.

    They are challenging the counters.

    lol

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    Just when you think you got her, she shuffles.


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