****Offical UFC 151 Jones vs Henderson thread*****

[DeFactoCrippler]

If that was the case how did Hendo KTFO one of the best strikers at 205 in Feijao?

What people discount is reach. Hendo will be at a huge disadvantage when it comes to range just like all the people who have faced Jones. Plus Hendo doesn't have any other weapons that Jones has to worry about.

The overhand right works really nice off a feint takedown, thats why Hendo can catch people with it. In a straight "boxing" match, yeah you can see it coming a mile off. I think this will be the case with Jones, because he will never be in any range to worry about Hendo's takedowns, so he won't exactly be biting on the feints.

[Crassus]

I'm not saying Hendo is gonna get Jon Jones easy, I'm just sayin it's not as obvious as Gabe thinks.

[gabe]

If that was the case how did Hendo KTFO one of the best strikers at 205 in Feijao?

By landing the punch.

His fight vs Shogun, he kept telegraphing and u could see it coming but Shogun wouldn't move

[Vaughany]

Maybe now that the forum is moderated and there is a new relaxed vibe, posters like wannabet and possibly even adam bowden might make their reappearance.

Maybe everyone was too hard on adam bowden. To be fair, dude was 1-0 with his picks.

hahaa

[Vaughany]

How did Bowden get his thread removed?

Probably asked a Mod

[gabe]

I'm not saying Hendo is gonna get Jon Jones easy, I'm just sayin it's not as obvious as Gabe thinks.

It was obvious in his last fight. He has been slowing down.

[gabe]

Probably asked a Mod

I've tried, that doesn't work.

[PunisherIND]

I've tried, that doesn't work.

i think there is a general policy to allow free speech here, but all bets are off when people start throwing the P word around (phag).

which thread do you want deleted?? let me know and ill make a few posts in that thread calling you a hog watcher. that should do the trick.

[gabe]

i think there is a general policy to allow free speech here, but all bets are off when people start throwing the P word around (phag).

which thread do you want deleted?? let me know and ill make a few posts in that thread calling you a hog watcher. that should do the trick.

haha

this is so not a friendly and inviting place. that dude came looking to make some friends and just kept getting called a phag ahahahah

[Crassus]

By landing the punch.

His fight vs Shogun, he kept telegraphing and u could see it coming but Shogun wouldn't move

I'm not sure I follow that logic...

[gabe]

I'm not sure I follow that logic...

Logic behind what? You must have a screw loose if you're looking for logic behind anything related to Hendo's right hand.

[DirtyX]

BetMasta speaks highly of you as an ass kicker. I want you to tag along with me to comedy clubs and beat up anybody who talks shit or heckles me.

HAHA, dude I am too small to run security for you man.. I am about 5'8 - 160lbs. I can get down, and I am good with my hands, but I would get smoked by anyone who really knows how to fight, or trains MMA. I am down to go to Vegas for UFC on Fox 5 though. It's a good card to make plays imo, and I had a really easy time betting MMA at Harrahs in Vegas. There are Props, Parlays and straight bets available at Harrahs. Let's do this.

[illmatick]

i know, but it looks like they have some other guys contributing too. the article that i quoted was not illmatick.

it took me a while to figure out that illmatick was writing those articles, which is why i was wondering if these other dudes post on here also.

haha

yeah, it wasn't me who wrote that.

[gabe]

HAHA, dude I am too small to run security for you man.. I am about 5'8 - 160lbs. I can get down, and I am good with my hands, but I would get smoked by anyone who really knows how to fight, or trains MMA. I am down to go to Vegas for UFC on Fox 5 though. It's a good card to make plays imo, and I had a really easy time betting MMA at Harrahs in Vegas. There are Props, Parlays and straight bets available at Harrahs. Let's do this.

haha-- is the FOX card gonna be in Vegas? i know Nate doesn't like fighting there.

[Digo]

but less risk in jones by sub... i think personally, i'm just going with Jones ITD to be safe... i believe Jones is the type of dude whos ego makes him really want to be the first person to ever KO Hendo.

Exactly what i think (Jones itd to be safe). Maybe in the first round Jones couldn't finish the fight by TKO, but after that, Hendo's cardio will be gone and Jones will decide if he wants a sub or Tko. Hendo is a "worse version" of Rampage. I'm expecting the same fighting style, but shorter this time (Rampage's TDD and Cardio is a way better).

[DirtyX]

haha-- is the FOX card gonna be in Vegas? i know Nate doesn't like fighting there.

Not sure where it is taking place. I'll look it up.

[Educ8d Degener8]

HAHA, dude I am too small to run security for you man.. I am about 5'8 - 160lbs. I can get down, and I am good with my hands, but I would get smoked by anyone who really knows how to fight, or trains MMA. I am down to go to Vegas for UFC on Fox 5 though. It's a good card to make plays imo, and I had a really easy time betting MMA at Harrahs in Vegas. There are Props, Parlays and straight bets available at Harrahs. Let's do this.

Real badasses train UFC brah.

[Bigbill365]

Jon Bones Jones has to lose sometime so why not throw a small play on Hendie you can put $20 to win $100 or you can put up $600 to win a hundred on bones ill take The $20

[Thor4140]

Hendo has no shot in my opinion. Im a huge fan of his but reality is Hendo's biggest strength is his greco wrestling. He abandon that about five years ago just to land that big bomb. Now anyone can take him down and what used to be his biggest strength just so happens to be Jones biggest strength. Jones tosses guys around like they are kids. I doubt if Hendo even lands a punch. He will get choked out just like he did against Silva.

[Crassus]

Jon Bones Jones has to lose sometime so why not throw a small play on Hendie you can put $20 to win $100 or you can put up $600 to win a hundred on bones ill take The $20

Nnnnnuuuuuuuunnnnnnnyyyyaaaaaa

[El Nino]

haha-- is the FOX card gonna be in Vegas? i know Nate doesn't like fighting there.

It hasn't been decided yet, MMA Junkie has it leaning as Vegas though (unofficial). If it is, I am definitely going. 2 stacked cards set up for December. I have a feeling Cerrone vs. Pettis will be on the year end card as well.

[gabe]

My buddy knows a guy fighting on the undercard for the SF card this Saturday, so I'll be in San Diego for it...

First time I ever attended an MMA event (which was also the first non-baseball game sporting event I've ever attended) was the UFC on FOX 4 card, so this SF card will be the 2nd time... all in the same month! Like a G!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vaughany]

It hasn't been decided yet, MMA Junkie has it leaning as Vegas though (unofficial). If it is, I am definitely going. 2 stacked cards set up for December. I have a feeling Cerrone vs. Pettis will be on the year end card as well.

I thought Pettis/Cerrone was on the Fox card as well?

[gabe]

I thought Pettis/Cerrone was on the Fox card as well?

that fight hasn't been booked

[Beelzebubzy]

Jon Bones Jones has to lose sometime so why not throw a small play on Hendie you can put $20 to win $100 or you can put up $600 to win a hundred on bones ill take The $20

Welcome to the board
best of luck

Brush up on your alegrbra

[PunisherIND]

so what are the arguments against jones ITD? keep responses serious and cerebral please (i'm talking to you beelze)

[Beelzebubzy]

so what are the arguments against jones ITD? keep responses serious and cerebral please (i'm talking to you beelze)

To play devils advocate and state why one should not play jones itd
1- hendos chin made
2- Greg Jackson gameplanning- jones could leg kick and jab for 5 rounds
3- the dq/ injury rate
4- h bomb to jones drunken ass


Ill take the 75% chance jones finishes. Hendo is old but the right hand is still a possibility. Path of resistance states to avoid risk aka greg Jackson gameplan could be to take him down ASAP. Moreover, as Hendo lunges forward jones is going to grab him and take him down.

My 2 cents. Seriously.

[PunisherIND]

To play devils advocate and state why one should not play jones itd
1- hendos chin made
2- Greg Jackson gameplanning- jones could leg kick and jab for 5 rounds
3- the dq/ injury rate
4- h bomb to jones drunken ass


Ill take the 75% chance jones finishes. Hendo is old but the right hand is still a possibility. Path of resistance states to avoid risk aka greg Jackson gameplan could be to take him down ASAP. Moreover, as Hendo lunges forward jones is going to grab him and take him down.

My 2 cents. Seriously.

appreciate the response man. im pretty confident that jones will get the finish here, but the fact that the line has remained around -350 and has gotten two-way action is making me think that i may be overconfident. i feel the line should be closer to -450 or even -500, but perhaps people are hesitating due to his decision win against rashad?

i can see jones playing it safe and keeping distance for a while, but at some point i have to imagine he is going to tag hendo and go for the kill. sub more likely, but i can see a tko also. i know hendo never been tko'd, but iirc he was rocked by shogun, fedor and feijao.

[Beelzebubzy]

Yeah I lost on the inside the distance versus rashad
and radhad is chinny according to people

[Beelzebubzy]

To tko Dan it doesn't new to be a clear out cold ko
Jones tko shogun and that was a massive beating or ala Anderson chael 2

[Crassus]

appreciate the response man. im pretty confident that jones will get the finish here, but the fact that the line has remained around -350 and has gotten two-way action is making me think that i may be overconfident. i feel the line should be closer to -450 or even -500, but perhaps people are hesitating due to his decision win against rashad?

i can see jones playing it safe and keeping distance for a while, but at some point i have to imagine he is going to tag hendo and go for the kill. sub more likely, but i can see a tko also. i know hendo never been tko'd, but iirc he was rocked by shogun, fedor and feijao.

Wouldn't fight won't go 5 round distance at -600 be safer?

In fairness, Shogun, Fedor and Feijao all hit much much harder than Jones. Jones' doesn't punch particularly hard, but he's got good G&P and elbows which cause (T)KO's but I really doubt he'll tag Hendo. Well maybe with a body shot?

[PunisherIND]

Wouldn't fight won't go 5 round distance at -600 be safer?

In fairness, Shogun, Fedor and Feijao all hit much much harder than Jones. Jones' doesn't punch particularly hard, but he's got good G&P and elbows which cause (T)KO's but I really doubt he'll tag Hendo. Well maybe with a body shot?

Yea I'm on fight ends itd as well, but I really dont think hendo has any chance here.

[gabe]

so what are the arguments against jones ITD? keep responses serious and cerebral please (i'm talking to you beelze)

There are no arguments against it. Absolutely none! That is the play.

[Vitooch]

Bisping doesnt hit hard at all but he gets lots of TKOs because of his cardio, accuracy, pure volume of strikes. Rashad has excellent TDD and Hendo does not. A few takedowns and GnP will leave Hendo tired and bloody like Shogun against Bones

[Vitooch]

My point is, there are alot of instances where fighters get TKOs that have nothing to do with how relatively powerful their punches are. (Belcher/Paul Harris). Hendo has great chin but few fighters can handle Jones assault if he can get taledowns