UFC 128- Jon Bones Jones vs. Mauricio Shogun Rua

**Conan** · 03-15-11, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by sportsfanatic

sorry but major difference between heavyweight and other weight classes. fedor should think about dropping to lhw.

like i said fedor has never bean a bit heavyweight he would prob do good at lhw hes alwase around 225-230 id be easy to cut down to 205 for a weigh in

**yokes33** · 03-15-11, 06:03 AM

I could see Jones winning this fight, however, I couldn't believe the odds. Its not like Shogun is some chump. I'll take those lines any day.

**sirchadwick1** · 03-15-11, 01:55 PM

Jones went back down to -185 at 5 dimes, so I put another 2u on him. He's got this.

**jin2daj** · 03-15-11, 02:59 PM

getting reallllly excited. too bad the rest of the card is a little weak.

**westerner** · 03-15-11, 03:43 PM

Jones couldn't do anything special to Bader, his elbows were ineffective and he took him down once but also had a takedown reversed, so really out of attempting takedowns 5 times he got 1 and ended up on his back once. Also he got tagged a lot and didn't show a good gameplan.

Its funny how people bet Jones and say confidently he'll take it but never mention how.

The quality of the fighters don't matter that much, as usual styles make fights. Jones has never shown a decent jab to use his range, he's not coordinated, and he doesn't adjust to the fight well.

If Jones wins the only way I can see it happening is if the first round is close, he gets beat on in the 2nd and Shogun gasses himself out nearly finishing Jones a bunch of times, then as Shogun slows for 3 and 4 Jones takes them via takedowns and gets a favourable judges decision. Jones doesn't have the jits to keep position on Shogun if he's gassed rolling around desperately.

**sportsfanatic** · 03-15-11, 06:51 PM

there's a guy (not me) offering rua at +185 somewhere in this forum if you're interested. points bet only.

**LearningTree** · 03-15-11, 09:12 PM

I would bet on Jones just because he's such a great athlete. That's the only reason. Because you can't say he's a better fighter than Shogun. There's no way. If you bet on Jones, you're betting on him being such a freak of nature and so explosive that he wins. You're basically saying he's going to overwhelm Shogun.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 03-16-11, 01:01 AM

Judges and refs by match... in case any of you guys geek out to this sorta stuff... There will be no Cecil Peoples on Saturday

NJSACB Assigns Referees, Judges for Saturday’s UFC 128

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/NJSACB-Assigns-Referees-Judges-for-Saturdays-UFC-128-30870

Saturday night in Newark, N.J., it will be a heavily Northeastern affair where officials are concerned. Herb Dean will be the third man in the Octagon at the Prudential Center when Mauricio Rua defends his UFC light heavyweight title against Jon Jones in the main event of UFC 128. The three judges assigned to the bout are Douglas Crosby, Dave Tirelli and Cardo Urso.

**rocky mattioli** · 03-16-11, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by westerner

"""""""""Jones couldn't do anything special to Bader""""""", his elbows were ineffective and he took him down once but also had a takedown reversed, so really out of attempting takedowns 5 times he got 1 and ended up on his back once. Also he got tagged a lot and didn't show a good gameplan.

Its funny how people bet Jones and say confidently he'll take it but never mention how.

The quality of the fighters don't matter that much, as usual styles make fights. Jones has never shown a decent jab to use his range,"""""""" he's not coordinated""""""", and he doesn't adjust to the fight well.

If Jones wins the only way I can see it happening is if the first round is close, he gets beat on in the 2nd and Shogun gasses himself out nearly finishing Jones a bunch of times, then as Shogun slows for 3 and 4 Jones takes them via takedowns and gets a favourable judges decision. Jones doesn't have the jits to keep position on Shogun if he's gassed rolling around desperately.

i have no dog in this fight,but,what?......"he couldn`t do anything special to bader?"....except totally dominate him and make him tap early in the 2nd after breaking him mentally...he outwrestled an elite wrestler.....beat him at his own game..

"he`s not coordinated"?.........

makes you wonder why jones is even here,don`t it?.......must be some mistake...

**Poppa Catfish** · 03-16-11, 02:41 PM

makes you wonder.......... if somebody else was originally slated to fight Shogun initially........ like as if somebody was injured and he filled in for that person.......

no way that couldn't be the case here........

**rocky mattioli** · 03-16-11, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Poppa Catfish

makes you wonder.......... if somebody else was originally slated to fight Shogun initially........ like as if somebody was injured and he filled in for that person.......

no way that couldn't be the case here........

dude,don`t they have another site for stalkers?....isn`t there a "stalkbook" or something?...lol

for those that are denser than uranium(and there aren`t many in this fantastic forum),obviously jones brings quite a bit to the table...including being relatively "coordinated"....

**kiefynugs** · 03-16-11, 04:40 PM

well obviously he is well past puberty by about 5 years but I don't see his striking as being all that coordinated, from what little we've really seen of it.

**PorkyPig** · 03-16-11, 04:41 PM

gotta take shogun at these odds

**The Bet Master** · 03-16-11, 04:43 PM

I think Shogun wins this. Great value on him as well.

**ttrace35** · 03-16-11, 04:45 PM

A big difference in being coordinated and being striking coordinated. Jones' standup seems funky looking compared to other accomplished strikers.

**Dabeergod** · 03-16-11, 04:48 PM

Sho Gun !!!!

**rocky mattioli** · 03-16-11, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by kiefynugs

well obviously he is well past puberty by about 5 years but I don't see his striking as being all that coordinated, from what little we've really seen of it.

the coordinated remark seemed odd given the fact that the guy is an amazingly coordinated athlete...particularly at 6`4" and 205...

striking isn`t just punching...it`s all those other amazing techniques(elbows,spiining back fists and elbows,high kicks)..and most of them work......

maybe i was harsh with westerner...i apologize...but i really don`t understand what he wanted jones to do with bader,a guy who had just come off a u.d. vs lil nog....

it was an amazingly dominating performance in every aspect of the fight...you could see between rounds that bader had no clue what to do with jones...his wrestling and striking were going nowhere...

granted,bader,,,and even lil nog aren`t rua....and that`s why i`m still a bit on the fence regarding this fight...

but to say that jones didn`t totally dominate bader..that he looked "uncoordinated" or had trouble grappling with him(he dominated the grappling vs one of the top wrestlers at 205) isn`t calling it like it was....

that all i`m saying...

**bogbat** · 03-16-11, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8

Judges and refs by match... in case any of you guys geek out to this sorta stuff... There will be no Cecil Peoples on Saturday

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/NJS...-UFC-128-30870

Douglas Crosby is just as bad as Cecil Peoples if not worse.

**SBRtv Judie** · 03-16-11, 07:17 PM

SBR Poster Vaughany gave us picks for every fight on the UFC 128 card: Here are his picks for:

Mauricio Shogun Rua vs. Jon Bones Jones
Erik Koch vs. Raphael Assuncao
Ricardo Almeida vs. Mike Pyle

**ttrace35** · 03-16-11, 07:19 PM

**ttrace35** · 03-16-11, 07:27 PM

I listened to this three times. I have no idea what the fukk you said vaughany

**rocky mattioli** · 03-16-11, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by SBR.tv Judie

SBR Poster Vaughany gave us picks for every fight on the UFC 128 card: Here are his picks for:

Mauricio Shogun Rua vs. Jon Bones Jones
Erik Koch vs. Raphael Assuncao
Ricardo Almeida vs. Mike Pyle

was that a welsh accent?...hard to tell when you`re broadcasting from a diving bell...

.....

seriously...well done,man... informative and evocative, without resorting to any showy wordsmithery.......

very cool....you da` man...

**Vaughany** · 03-17-11, 04:26 AM

Originally posted by ttrace35

I listened to this three times. I have no idea what the fukk you said vaughany

ha good job because I went off at a tangent at one point and started abusing Boris and Strikeforce!

**Facepunch** · 03-17-11, 07:23 AM

My God what the F was he saying???????

Anyway, the value is with Shogun. Going to be a good fight.

**ttrace35** · 03-17-11, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

ha good job because I went off at a tangent at one point and started abusing Boris and Strikeforce!

**jliggett12** · 03-17-11, 09:14 AM

how i know shogun will lose. looks at his record up to this point. choked out by forrest girffin, tko'd an way over the hill mark coleman( who put up a decent fight), ko of over the hill and slow chuck liddell, decision loss to machida and a ko of machida (who never protects his face when fighting). bones is going to be too long, fast, dynamic, and in way better shape. shogun has never seen someone like bones before and his days of being the best lhw ever was over in pride. im calling it now bones by submission no later than the third round.

**joeyp1222** · 03-17-11, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by jliggett12

how i know shogun will lose. looks at his record up to this point. choked out by forrest girffin, tko'd an way over the hill mark coleman( who put up a decent fight), ko of over the hill and slow chuck liddell, decision loss to machida and a ko of machida (who never protects his face when fighting). bones is going to be too long, fast, dynamic, and in way better shape. shogun has never seen someone like bones before and his days of being the best lhw ever was over in pride. im calling it now bones by submission no later than the third round.

i hope jon wins everybody back here in his home town will be watching many will be at the fight for his support

**Educ8d Degener8** · 03-17-11, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by jliggett12

how i know shogun will lose. looks at his record up to this point. choked out by forrest girffin, tko'd an way over the hill mark coleman( who put up a decent fight), ko of over the hill and slow chuck liddell, decision loss to machida and a ko of machida (who never protects his face when fighting). bones is going to be too long, fast, dynamic, and in way better shape. shogun has never seen someone like bones before and his days of being the best lhw ever was over in pride. im calling it now bones by submission no later than the third round.

It's not that I particularly disagree with you here, but one can easily make the same argument for Shogun in that Jones has never faced anyone as dynamic as Rua.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 03-17-11, 01:37 PM

0.13u Shogun by sub +1282

0.50u Louisville 2nd half ML (-380) / Shogun - Jones does not go distance (-380)

**Vaughany** · 03-17-11, 03:51 PM

**LearningTree** · 03-17-11, 06:13 PM

On Bodog I like...

Jones/Shogun Under 1 +200

Shogun ITD +250

Marquardt/Miller Under 2 +250

Faber/Wineland Under 2 -150

**sportsfanatic** · 03-17-11, 11:06 PM

only two more days. can't wait for this fight.

**westerner** · 03-17-11, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by rocky mattioli

the coordinated remark seemed odd given the fact that the guy is an amazingly coordinated athlete...particularly at 6`4" and 205... striking isn`t just punching...it`s all those other amazing techniques(elbows,spiining back fists and elbows,high kicks)..and most of them work...... maybe i was harsh with westerner...i apologize...but i really don`t understand what he wanted jones to do with bader,a guy who had just come off a u.d. vs lil nog.... it was an amazingly dominating performance in every aspect of the fight...you could see between rounds that bader had no clue what to do with jones...his wrestling and striking were going nowhere... granted,bader,,,and even lil nog aren`t rua....and that`s why i`m still a bit on the fence regarding this fight... but to say that jones didn`t totally dominate bader..that he looked "uncoordinated" or had trouble grappling with him(he dominated the grappling vs one of the top wrestlers at 205) isn`t calling it like it was.... that all i`m saying...

Look man I broke down Rashad vs Rampage exactly as it was, same with Shields vs Hendo, Mousasi vs Lawal and Shogun vs Machida rematch when everyone was riding the hype trains

You bring up these stats about his height and his techniques but ignore the fact he's never shown the ability to land a jab with any consistency let alone a straight or combinations of straight punches which is what he would need to do vs Shogun. All these wonderful techniques are great when you fight wrestlers that aren't comfortable on the feet. Even Bader was able to block all of Jones elbows, reverse his takedown and completely block Jones' clinch game and he's still very much a wrestler in MMA. He didn't land a single spinning strike on Bader either because its stupid to do that in a high level fight with someone that can put you down with 1 shot.

I mean this is stuff anyone who has a basic knowledge of fighting fundamentals would know but you apparently don't so I don't even know why I continue... People who pick Jones have selective memories. Even if we just talk about Shogun, he beat a much more skilled and proven undefeated opponent by 1st round KO in his last fight, and people said he would lose to him twice. No one was even touching Machida before Shogun broke his face. Not to mention he had his appendix removed 8 weeks before that, had a knee problem in camp AND injured his other knee during the fight. Now he's fighting a guy thats never faced adversity, never been on his back, never taken a low kick, never fought a JJ guy, and had only 6 weeks in camp compared to Shoguns almost 6 months...

Shogun has more and better ways to end the fight, more and better ways to control it and has fought taller, longer guys with better striking and bigger guys with better wrestling... they've all been knocked out viciously.

Anything can happen in MMA but however way you wanna break it down it will be a game of survival for Jones. The only way he wins is if Shogun makes some huge mistakes and Jones can capitalize, but I haven't seen Shogun deviate at all from his gameplans since being with UDL.

If you're gonna place a bet on Jones I suggest watching the Machida and Alistair fights

**westerner** · 03-17-11, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8

0.13u Shogun by sub +1282 0.50u Louisville 2nd half ML (-380) / Shogun - Jones does not go distance (-380)

a lot of people will be making serious coin saturday

but I doubt Shogun will go for the sub when he's on top, I expect lots of GnP

**Stinger** · 03-17-11, 11:23 PM

cant freaking wait for this fight...