Bones Jones VS Shogun

**Lincoln73** · 02-06-11, 10:02 AM

Shogun looked terrible against Griffin coming off a layoff, it is far from sure thing but Jones can win. It will be a difficult fight for Rua because no one has figured out Jones's game yet and haven't been able to develop any kind of rhythm against him.

**Vaughany** · 02-06-11, 10:26 AM

Shogun by TKO/KO prop for me.

**Eccocide** · 02-06-11, 10:28 AM

I'd be going huge on Shogun if he wasnt coming off another massive layoff. But i'll still be backing him to some extent.

**ttrace35** · 02-06-11, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Lincoln73

Shogun looked terrible against Griffin coming off a layoff, it is far from sure thing but Jones can win. It will be a difficult fight for Rua because no one has figured out Jones's game yet and haven't been able to develop any kind of rhythm against him.

I feel like that was kind of the same thing when shogun fought machida the first time. I think he won that fight. Its hard to go with the guy who hasn't fought anybody. These brazillians are nuts. They grow up fighting bare nuckles, no rules fights. Headbuts and shit. I wonder what the line will be?

**Riot** · 02-06-11, 01:50 PM

One of these days, those flashy moves will get Jones caught. Also, we have never seen him really get punched, i have a feeling that his chin will be his Achilles tendon ... im on Rua via TKO/KO aswell

**Vaughany** · 02-06-11, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by Riot

One of these days, those flashy moves will get Jones caught. Also, we have never seen him really get punched, i have a feeling that his chin will be his Achilles tendon ... im on Rua via TKO/KO aswell

Yeah Bader almost clipped him a couple of times, I dont see why a much more technical Shogun who will also vary it up with kicks cant catch Bones.

**omalley21** · 02-06-11, 02:11 PM

Bones is gonna win this fight. Im a huge shogun fan but this is easy money on bones.

**freelee** · 02-06-11, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by omalley21

Bones is gonna win this fight. Im a huge shogun fan but this is easy money on bones.

I agree i don't see Shogun being able to keep this fight standing for long if he's going to win it's going to have to be by sub from the bottom

**Eccocide** · 02-06-11, 02:33 PM

Im not sure why ppl think Shogun will be uneffective from the bottom. He's excellent at getting back to his feet and has tremendous sweeps. There were multiple opportunities for Bader to sweep or get back to his feet but he was lost off of his back, especially in the north-south position. That won't be the case in this fight.

**snake11eyes** · 02-06-11, 02:48 PM

If you can get Jones close to even which I doubt, I'll be all over that.

**snake11eyes** · 02-06-11, 02:52 PM

Damn, just read eccos thread. The line is out bookmaker jones -190, Bodog has jones at -160 I'll bite.

**ttrace35** · 02-06-11, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by snake11eyes

If you can get Jones close to even which I doubt, I'll be all over that.

Are you saying Jones is the favorite??

**Eccocide** · 02-06-11, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by ttrace35

Are you saying Jones is the favorite??

yes...hes -190 at bookmaker, Shogun is +155.

**ttrace35** · 02-06-11, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by snake11eyes

Damn, just read eccos thread. The line is out bookmaker jones -190, Bodog has jones at -160 I'll bite.

Shogun at plus $$? Too good to be true. I will have to drop a few hundred tomorrow. No way I pass this up.

**Vaughany** · 02-06-11, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by Eccocide

Im not sure why ppl think Shogun will be uneffective from the bottom. He's excellent at getting back to his feet and has tremendous sweeps. There were multiple opportunities for Bader to sweep or get back to his feet but he was lost off of his back, especially in the north-south position. That won't be the case in this fight.

Yeah his omoplata on Ricardo Arona and how he got right back up from under Machida would suggest it's not gonna be as easy as people think for Bones to dominate him on the ground!

**Squareguy** · 02-06-11, 04:13 PM

I feel like Jones is going to be a champ until he fights Phil Davis.

The only guys that are going to beat Jones are guys that can control his clinch and ground game.

Greg Jackson isn't going to let Jones stand and trade with Rua for five rounds...it's going to go to the mat quick, and when it does, Rua is susceptible to chokes.

**snake11eyes** · 02-06-11, 04:13 PM

Damn, I let -160 go on Bodog, because I thought the Rua backers would get me closer to even. Now its -175. I think it will stay around there and finish around -190. I hope I'm wrong.

**Squareguy** · 02-06-11, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by snake11eyes

Damn, I let -160 go on Bodog, because I thought the Rua backers would get me closer to even. Now its -175. I think it will stay around there and finish around -190. I hope I'm wrong.

I just made it move to -175, I would jump in now!!!

I think he will be at -250 or more come the actual fight.

**Eccocide** · 02-06-11, 04:21 PM

Rofl yes u made it move.....

**Vaughany** · 02-06-11, 04:21 PM

Rashad says he will go down to middleweight or back up to HW if Jones wins, predicts 1st round finish for Jones..

Okamoto: Evans contemplates moving up and out of 205

http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/columns/story?id=6095452

Don't tell Jon Jones that haste makes waste: The prodigal fighter is confident about his abilities and ready to prove it by jumping into a title bout with Mauricio Rua in six weeks' time.

**Eccocide** · 02-06-11, 04:22 PM

And it will blow my mind if jones is -250 on fight night.

**Vaughany** · 02-06-11, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Eccocide

And it will blow my mind if jones is -250 on fight night.

haha yeah it was close to -250 against Bader by fight time, I highly doubt that it's gonna be same against SHOGUN (THE CHAMP)!

**Vaughany** · 02-06-11, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by Squareguy

I just made it move to -175, I would jump in now!!!

I think he will be at -250 or more come the actual fight.

Originally posted by Eccocide

Rofl yes u made it move.....

haha Did u put 10 grand on it?!

**Mr Handicapable** · 02-06-11, 04:33 PM

I was expecting Jones to defeat Bader but he manhandled him which I didn't expect? Shogun is a smart/tough figher and I'm sure he'll try to back up Jones and get him out of his game....but after last night I don't see anyone beating Jones at 205? How did he lose in his one loss? I'm guessing he was 20 years old or something?

**xelance** · 02-06-11, 04:43 PM

he lost via illegal downward elbows (disqualified)....he was pummeling Mark Hamill until he did that dumb mistake.

**xelance** · 02-06-11, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by Mr Handicapable

I was expecting Jones to defeat Bader but he manhandled him which I didn't expect? Shogun is a smart/tough figher and I'm sure he'll try to back up Jones and get him out of his game....but after last night I don't see anyone beating Jones at 205? How did he lose in his one loss? I'm guessing he was 20 years old or something?

Shogun is 100000 times better than any opponent Jones has faced, and has the type of game that will cause Jones problems. My money is on the dog Shogun.

**Vaughany** · 02-06-11, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by xelance

he lost via illegal downward elbows (disqualified)....he was pummeling Mark Hamill until he did that dumb mistake.

He succumbed to the Jedi mind-tricks of Mark Hamill!!!!...

**xelance** · 02-06-11, 05:19 PM

LOL...I meant Matt, but thats funny stuff

**playa420** · 02-06-11, 05:42 PM

bones jones is gonna smash shogun

**bracerman** · 02-06-11, 05:46 PM

Shocked to see Rua open as such a dog. Asides from the Griffin loss which has been well explained, he should be undefeated in his UFC run, not to mention he's the guy that figured out Machida.

And don't forget to factor in experience. I see this fight a lot like the 1st GSP-Hughes fight.

**Squareguy** · 02-06-11, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Eccocide

Rofl yes u made it move.....

First and only time I've bet the max for a fighter, and the line changed. I'm assuming it moved because of me, maybe I'm still too square to figure something like that out.

**Squareguy** · 02-06-11, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

haha Did u put 10 grand on it?!

No, I put 850 on it.

As I understand from talking to Bodog's manager in the past, they move the lines after a max bet. Apparently I bet the maximum on a CBB game at the same time as another guy did, and they thought we were cheating them. He gave me a warning for not letting the line move first. Maybe I misunderstood what he was saying?

**SweatySombrero** · 02-06-11, 09:15 PM

~Jones will Break some Bones~

**Pratik** · 02-07-11, 12:05 AM

Although I'm all on Jones bandwagon I can see Shogun putting up a fight the guys fought threw some tough fights and always comes in with a great gameplan + hes really good on the ground and off his back which is where i foresee him being in this fight unless he keeps a distance and uses his Muay Thai to tear down Jones.