Lesnar would destroy Fedor

RobbReport · 11-08-09, 07:23 AM

Lesnar could probably fight a gorilla and win if the gorilla didnt try to bite him.

southmadejd · 11-08-09, 08:07 AM

I agree that Lesnar may be a favorite. But Lesnar would only beat him because of the size issue. I just don't think Fedor would be able to keep Lesnar on the ground. If Fedor could keep it standing though, that would be a huge advantage for him. He has such tremendous power in his hands. One thing I don't agree with is that when he was against the cage and Brett started to GNP him, he kept his cool and almost got an arm bar from there, so what exactly are you talking about?

Eccocide · 11-08-09, 09:54 AM

Thats ok Hoff. I'm with you on this one. I've actually said in the past that Fedor might lose to a couple of the top LHW's IMO as he uses his speed to his advantage vs. slow awkward moving heavyweights - an advantage he wouldnt have vs. some LHWs. I know thats sacralige to say, but I truly believe it. He lacks great technique standing but obviously has some great power in his hands. I may be alone but I'd like to see him fight the likes of Shogun, Machida and Anderson. Those make for more interesting matchups than against 2nd rate HWs.....Maybe its the hangover talking hahahaha.

brooks85 · 11-08-09, 10:12 AM

well if you count a 5 round decision dominating. Lesnar would have to survive 5 rounds of sub attempts after he lands the TD and multiple shots to the head with those sledgehammers fedor has. As soon as lesnar tried to pump that slow jab, fedor would reel off devastating combos.

terpkeg · 11-08-09, 10:39 AM

If I were setting the line, i would probably go Fedor -150 to -200 range. Lesner just has too many unknowns imo.

Looking at his 4 UFC fights he has been far from flawless. He was sub'd early against Mir, couldnt finish Herring despite being in dominant positions the majority of the fight, was controlled and pressed on the cage and grapped the cage to stop a slam against Couture and was rocked in the second round of the second Mir fight. He said after that knee hit him he was seeing stars.

Now he clearly did alot right in those fights. He showed great top control, serious power, vicious gnp and there is no doubting his size and athleticism would be like nothing Fedor has ever faced.

However, we still dont know how good his sub defense is. Typically, big guys like that have exellent chins, but besides the flurry Mir put on him, which he acknowledge rattled him, his chin has not really been tested.

Fedor has fought the greatest fighters in the world since 1999. Yes, the past few years he has not been matched against the UFC's top heavys, but when AA and big Tim left the org, it wasnt like they were not considered top 5 guys still, and Fedor walked through them like everyone else. It says something when you have yet to have a legitimate lose over a ten years career in MMA, when there are so many ways to lose. So unitl it happens, I expect him to find a way to win.

The HOFF · 11-08-09, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by southmadejd

One thing I don't agree with is that when he was against the cage and Brett started to GNP him, he kept his cool and almost got an arm bar from there, so what exactly are you talking about?

That was impressive when he took those shots and almost got an armbar. But I'm talking about when they were standing. Rogers had a clinch and was throwing knees to the thighs with Fedor's back on the cage. Fedor sat there forever and didn't know how to get off the cage.

illmatick · 11-08-09, 01:47 PM

fedor is overrated, I knew it before last nights fight and I damn sure know it now, still an amazing fighter but I could easily see machida or anderson beating him

Pabinator · 11-08-09, 02:51 PM

Fedor actually impressed me last night. He is better than I thought, but as I said before the fight I think he is highly overrated, but now Im thinking maybe he isnt, but I still think he is NOT the #1 heavyweight in the world because I dont see who these great fighters are who he has fought?

A guy who was working at a tire shop a year ago gave him a run for his money and as Rogers said himself,(or what he ment to say) If he wasnt so scared and threw more punchs i think he woulda beat him.

Lesnar would put him on the ground and he would have answer for Brocks strength. I hope I get to see this fight one day soon.

Pabinator · 11-08-09, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by illmatick

fedor is overrated, I knew it before last nights fight and I damn sure know it now, still an amazing fighter but I could easily see machida or anderson beating him

I agree with you on the overrated part (kinda) but no way he would lose to Machida or Silva he is way bigger and stronger. Same reason he cant beat Lesnar

Eccocide · 11-08-09, 03:17 PM

Yikes, who has he beaten? Big Nog twice and decisively, and CroCop in his prime to state a couple. No doubt he belongs near the top but he isn't invincible as some ppl to think. And I disagree with you on him fighting Anderson and Shogun or Machida. As I stated in my post above, I think they would be a huge challenge for him. He would be slower than all 3, and his technique standing isn't on par with them. As well, he isnt a massive heavyweight. He's barely 6ft and only weighs 230 (and a chubby 230 that is). I wouldn't count any of those 3 out against him. I think those would be very intriguing matchups. Obviously, I don't see him ever fighting them or even the HWs in the UFC as hi motivation doesn't seem to be there.

urge2kill · 11-08-09, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by Pabinator

I agree with you on the overrated part (kinda) but no way he would lose to Machida or Silva he is way bigger and stronger. Same reason he cant beat Lesnar

Fedor fights around 235lbs. He wouldn't have more than 20lbs over Machida or Anderson. Lesnar would have 50lbs over Fedor.

Sekrah · 11-08-09, 10:26 PM

Fedor has taken the best shots of some of the baddest men on the planet. Lesnar would not phase him. I would happily bet Fedor hand over fist at -200.

Fedor could kill Lesnar with his hands, but it'll probably end by submission.

Mr Handicapable · 11-09-09, 12:23 AM

He's a chubby 230....yeah he just tossed Rogers with 1 arm who was probably 275 on fight night! He would kill Lesnar on experience, speed, and cardio alone! I love all these people that say he's overrated

He commonly fights people outweighing him 20-50 pounds....probably outweighed 200 pounds by that Korean freak! Lets see GSP or Anderson Silva fight somebody athletic that outweights them by 30-40 pounds! GSP whined recently about being too small to ever fight at 185...thats only 15 pounds? Spider Silva has lost 4 fights I think? Nobody is beating Fedor anytime soon and thats a fact!

Another point....Fedor had a broken nose and now has a cast up to his elbow and still WHIPPED A$$ as always! Never underestimate the heart of a champion!

Eccocide · 11-09-09, 07:52 AM

I never said he was overrated, but the whole point of him fighting guys that are 30 lbs heavier than him is to give him an advantage in speed, agility, athletism etc. That 'Korean Freak' is 2-3 in MMA, and just lost to Minowa Man....who weighs like 180lbs...I guess he is god too. Sokoudjou beat Jan Nortje whos like 6'9 350lbs as well as Bob Sapp......These small guys are destroying these giants but yet get owned at their own weightclass...why do you think that is? The fact of the matter is that until now, most heavyweights only had size. They lacked talent and skill and were slow and sloppy. Obviously there is a new breed now with Brock, Cain, Carwin, JDS etc. The HW division has always been the weakest and it was easier for small heavyweights to counter the size with skill. GSP moving up 15lbs to fight the top P4P fighter in the world is an entirely different situation than a guy fighting a HW that is 'dangerous' just for the fact that he is big.

gman2114 · 11-09-09, 09:40 AM

Fedor is a tough fighter to judge. He has submission skills and a heavy hand. However Walmart boy had 4 clean shots at Fedor head and could not really hurt him. Theory is if a very bad fighter good 4 clean shots what could a good fighter do. Fedor the smaller man just landed the one shot and it was all over.
If given Lesner at +200 I would bet a $1000 on him.

Mr Handicapable · 11-09-09, 09:45 AM

And you would be down a grand!!

Mr Handicapable · 11-09-09, 10:18 AM

GSP moving up 15lbs to fight the top P4P fighter in the world is an entirely different situation

So Anderson Silva is the P4P then

He's been submitted twice and knocked out once! I would rather see Fedor beat his a$$ then Lesnars just so casual fans like yourself would quit falling for Dana White's BS!

Eccocide · 11-09-09, 10:33 AM

Rofl. Nice troll job. Not sure why I even bother responding to ppl like yourself. U ignore everything I've posted and provide no arguments against what I posted about the hw division. Yes anderson is the best. What do losses 5 years ago have to do with p4p rankings? He cleared out his division which is more than I can say for fedor. and easily destroyed a contender in another division up. If u actually read what I posted I said fedor beat IMO the other 2 best hws of the time in nog and crocop. All I mentioned is that he would be better tested against actual athletic hws rather than giant freaks.

Eccocide · 11-09-09, 10:41 AM

Also i guess noone with a loss shouldever be in the p4p rankings. I guess pacquiao is nowhere near boxings p4p since he has 3 losses...

southmadejd · 11-09-09, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by gman2114

Fedor is a tough fighter to judge. He has submission skills and a heavy hand. However Walmart boy had 4 clean shots at Fedor head and could not really hurt him. Theory is if a very bad fighter good 4 clean shots what could a good fighter do. Fedor the smaller man just landed the one shot and it was all over.
If given Lesner at +200 I would bet a $1000 on him.

Why do you call Rogers a "very bad fighter". I am not saying he was great but he definitely is better than Heath Herring who is someone Brock couldn't finish in the UFC.

The fact is that in most of Fedor's fights, he does get battle tested but all of the fights have the same result....Fedor wins. Also more times than not, Fedor knows how to finish fights. That is impressive.

Just because Brock beat Randy who is a gatekeeper of the HW division at best(at the time) and moved down to LHW to still be competitive, does that make Brock king. Oh yeah he beat Frank Mir....but wait a second, didn't Mir also beat him. All I am saying is we should probably watch Brock fight a few more fights before we put him on a pedestal. But you will call Rogers a "very bad fighter" who has one credible win on his record against Arlovski. Well how come Carwin is considered a good fighter when he only has one credible win on his record and that is against Gonzaga. And I am not sure if you guys remember that fight but Carwin was about a half second away from being knocked out. But for some reason, probably because Carwin is in the UFC and Dana White knows how to promote his fighters, people think he is actually good. We will see.

Pride>UFC · 11-09-09, 11:41 AM

You're a moron...Lesnar ducked out of a fight with a can because he messed up his steroids cycle while Fedor's knocking out #1 contenders

Pride>UFC · 11-09-09, 11:42 AM

Fedor would be a 3 to 1 favorite...if u disagree, you're just a pastry pastrami american UFC fan boy who knows nothing about MMA

Eccocide · 11-09-09, 11:44 AM

I do agree with a lot of what u said Majed but regarding the Carwin issue. I believe it had a lot more to do with the fact that he actually had credentials. A division 2 wrestling champ and an all American football player. He also has been training in jiu jitsu and holds a purple belt. Rogers had no real athletic background and if u read his quote on his jiu jitsu training ud know he's not exactly knowledgable on the subject lol.

Pride>UFC · 11-09-09, 11:47 AM

Lesnar beat Frank Mir...someone who isn't in anyone's top 25...he's 3-1...Lesnar is a can until he beats Velasquez, Dos Santos, or Nog.

He almost got Ko'd by Mir lol.

Rogers is much better than Brock

Sekrah · 11-09-09, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by gman2114

Fedor is a tough fighter to judge. He has submission skills and a heavy hand. However Walmart boy had 4 clean shots at Fedor head and could not really hurt him. Theory is if a very bad fighter good 4 clean shots what could a good fighter do. Fedor the smaller man just landed the one shot and it was all over.
If given Lesner at +200 I would bet a $1000 on him.

You would lose.

Sekrah · 11-09-09, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Pride>UFC

Lesnar beat Frank Mir...someone who isn't in anyone's top 25...he's 3-1...Lesnar is a can until he beats Velasquez, Dos Santos, or Nog.

This!

Rogers is much better than Brock

Absolutely impossible for the Dana White butt-boys to refuse this with the evidence presented. The evidence? Their actual fights.

JoshW · 11-09-09, 04:05 PM

I think Fedor will get caught eventually, but he took a good punch Saturday and kept on coming. I don't know who would win versus Lesnar, but I won't be missing a Fedor fight as long as he is on free TV.

Pabinator · 11-09-09, 04:32 PM

Fedor couldnt do anything to Rogers when he was on top him. So if he couldnt do anything to Costco boy what is he going to do against the strongest heavyweight (who by the way is only getting better) when Lesnar is on top?

I think it would be close, but I see Lesnar taking him on the ground and laying on him just like he did to MIR, (who by the way was considered one of the best before he lost to Lesnar now he gets no credit)

I'll take Brock and Win!!!!

Pabinator · 11-09-09, 04:33 PM

Sorry ment when Rogers was on top of Fedor

Mr Handicapable · 11-09-09, 05:55 PM

Fedor would find a way to win like he always does! You would think Fedor would want some mega fights in the UFC before he gets too old but he's a Russian and doesn't think like Americans do! Obviously he doesn't worship $$! Its a sad commentary on America that we have to look to a Russian to see humility, sportmanship, and honor in an athlete! Ten Brock Lesnar/Terrell Owens attitudes for every humble American athlete today!

brooks85 · 11-09-09, 06:28 PM

DJ Filthy Rich · 11-09-09, 11:47 PM

first off, Pride>UFC, AWESOME NAME! i hope dana burns in hell for killing Pride.

but before fedor can get anywhere near lesnar he has to beat Overeem for the HW belt...IF overeem isnt scared to fight in the US. fighting overeem would be a challenge in itself. but i wish that fedor would fight lesnar because it would shut up a lot of people whenever fedor wins. lesnar has great wrestling ability but i hate his strategy...get the fighter on the ground, climb on top of him, NEVER BUDGE, and slam those sledge hammer fists. fedor always keeps his cool and will catch lesnar in an armbar as soon as he makes a mistake.

hell, even a fight between overeem and lesnar would be good, to me at least.

brooks85 · 11-10-09, 12:51 AM

its silly how overrated overeem is. Beating cans(when you are on steroids) means nothing.

raydog · 11-10-09, 06:12 AM

ohhh hoff and fuzzy... and i thought you guys had a clue about this mma shit. fedor has the quickest, heaviest hands and best chin of any HW and he is has the best submissions in mma. Rogers stand up is better than Brocks. he appears to be a much better striker and look how fedor handled him. i doubt brock gets out of that armbar attempt that fedor put rogers too. size is the only advantage that brock has on fedor and its already been proven that doesnt mean shit.

fuzzy, you really think machida and silva could beat fedor? were you drinking heavily when you said this??? haha. they are just too small. no contest. fedor would throw them around like rag dolls. i honestly dont think either could beat mousasi. he appears to be the best at 205 in my book. mousasi vs either silva/mach/rua would be entertaining as hell.

anyone who says fedor is overrated or hasnt fought anyone is beyond clueless. even if you havent seen all his fights, just wiki his name. he has the longest, most impressive list of beatdowns of the very best HW's who have ever been in mma. give me 1 name, just 1 big name fighter that fedor hasnt beaten. and dont say couture cus that meathead has lost 10 times and half of them to LHW's. he is a nobody outside of ufc. bas rutten would have been eaten alive also

fedor is getting up in age and sure, if he keeps fighting, someone will catch him and he will lose. hell, it almost happened like 6 years ago in pride vs. fujita. guys that big throwing bombs, he is bound to get caught. i think he will take care of the strikeforce guys and if it can happen in the next few years, he might meet lesnar or whoever the ufc champ is. after that, i wouldnt doubt it if he retires...the best ever