UFC 219: Cyborg Vs. Holm | 30.12.2017 (Las Vegas, Nevada)

[Hugo de Naranja]

It is, but we were talking about possible advantages Holly might have against Cyborg.. That could be one of them.. Not proven and you are correct.. Not unproven either..

Holly can't outstrike Cyborg, can't out grapple her, so a high pace and to get this fight into the later rounds I believe is HH best chance of beating Cyborg..

I think Cyborg's cardio is pretty proven but we'll have to see. Holm does have solid cardio herself.

[turbozed]

It is, but we were talking about possible advantages Holly might have against Cyborg.. That could be one of them.. Not proven and you are correct.. Not unproven either..

Holly can't outstrike Cyborg, can't out grapple her, so a high pace and to get this fight into the later rounds I believe is HH best chance of beating Cyborg..

Even if Cyborg gets tired before Holly, Holly isn't the type to pour on pressure and take advantage of it. Holly's style gives Cyborg plenty of time to take breaks and recover.

That said, Cyborg looks pretty damn fresh in the 3rd round against Evinger. Looked like she could go another couple of rounds at that pace.

[PaperTrail07]

totally...its up to cyborg to decide when the gas is on or off....Holly literally would need to connect a 1-100 shot that just shuts cyborg's lights off....it would just have to be PERFECT imo....slim chance

Even if Cyborg gets tired before Holly, Holly isn't the type to pour on pressure and take advantage of it. Holly's style gives Cyborg plenty of time to take breaks and recover.

That said, Cyborg looks pretty damn fresh in the 3rd round against Evinger. Looked like she could go another couple of rounds at that pace.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Even if Cyborg gets tired before Holly, Holly isn't the type to pour on pressure and take advantage of it. Holly's style gives Cyborg plenty of time to take breaks and recover.

That said, Cyborg looks pretty damn fresh in the 3rd round against Evinger. Looked like she could go another couple of rounds at that pace.

I also don't think Holm will be able to stall in the clinch like she did against GDR. Cyborg has devastating knees in tight.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Barboza has horrible boxing. He’s good at kicking legs, sure. Khabib will probably force his way inside and muscle Barboza down. Good TDD doesn’t matter when you’re going against Khabib.

Khabib by GNP. First round TKO.

I think his boxing is actually very solid but his kicks are definitely his best weapon.

[Sato]

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Love you Megan!

[Hugo de Naranja]

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Love you Megan!

Megan's cool. Hopefully we see her in the UFC soon!

[JIBBBY]

Holy Holm can box, she was a boxing champ before MMA.. She will be able to touch up Cyborg I think at times.. Only problem with Holy is that she doesn't have KO power with her fists.. Only with her kicks..

Like I said Cyborg should win this fight and probably by KO or Sub but you gotta give Holly a kickers chance if the fight drags on..

[Hugo de Naranja]

Holy Holm can box, she was a boxing champ before MMA.. She will be able to touch up Cyborg I think at times.. Only problem with Holy is that she doesn't have KO power with her fists.. Only with her kicks..

Like I said Cyborg should win this fight and probably by KO or Sub but you gotta give Holly a kickers chance if the fight drags on..

I haven't been that impressed with Holm's boxing in the UFC. Her Head Kicks seem like her most potent weapon as you said.

[Shagdogy]

I think his boxing is actually very solid but his kicks are definitely his best weapon.

He definitely has the boxing to touch Khabib up pretty regularly. However, I wish he had more power in his hands, and his left hook scares me a little. He overcommits to it and throws himself off balance at times. This would be the opportunity Khabib needs to close distance.

I actually think Barboza should do a little less volume striking than normal and do a bit more running than normal. If he gets too eager then Khabib will get that TD. He must prioritize distance and TDD early, and stay disciplined even if he starts feeling loose and things are going his way.

[Hugo de Naranja]

He definitely has the boxing to touch Khabib up pretty regularly. However, I wish he had more power in his hands, and his left hook scares me a little. He overcommits to it and throws himself off balance at times. This would be the opportunity Khabib needs to close distance.

I actually think Barboza should do a little less volume striking than normal and do a bit more running than normal. If he gets too eager then Khabib will get that TD. He must prioritize distance and TDD early, and stay disciplined even if he starts feeling loose and things are going his way.

Agreed. He think Barboza has to be cautious and counter focused here. He's got the footwork and intelligence to maintain range.

[ken10]

I think his boxing is actually very solid but his kicks are definitely his best weapon.

Respectfully disagree here. I really can’t point to any particular instance but just from what i remember from watching most of his fights, he gets clipped often and with that lack of chin, I wouldn’t be suprised if Khabib rocks him standing too....

[TPowell]

I think Khabib dictates where the fight wants to go more than Edson does. Edson's biggest wins have been against kickboxers like Pettis and Dariush who have given him distance but even Dariush was winning that fight by not letting Edson get off from distance. I can't imagine Khabib doing anything but smothering him in the clinch and then taking him down when available.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Respectfully disagree here. I really can’t point to any particular instance but just from what i remember from watching most of his fights, he gets clipped often and with that lack of chin, I wouldn’t be suprised if Khabib rocks him standing too....

I guess we’ll see whose the better boxer if it stays on the feet for a prolonged period. Khabib’s striking is TRASH imo. He does have a bit of power though.

[TPowell]

I guess we’ll see whose the better boxer if it stays on the feet for a prolonged period. Khabib’s striking is TRASH imo. He does have a bit of power though.

In close though, Barboza will be scared shitless of the TD's. He COULD catch him with his hands down trying to guard against the TD. I'm not worried about a Barboza punch. I'll say that Khabib will get flatlined but if MJ couldn't knock him out with a punch then I don't see Edson doing it.

[TPowell]

Maybe I'm reaching here but IF Condit has checked out, I still can't see Magny finishing him so Magny by DEC is a pretty safe bet if he wins. You can get that +289 now. Nothing big but not a bad bet against Condit not showing up.

[GoBlue77]

anyone else see a little rob zombie's Michael Myers when they look at Holly Holm. just watched the last Embedded and she creeps me out.

cant believe a lot of dudes are into that chick

[KingHawkins]

I am starting to think Holm by decision is not a bad idea for a wager, although I can only get +365 right now.

And O 2.5 at -175, I think I need to shoot $350 at.

[TPowell]

I am starting to think Holm by decision is not a bad idea for a wager, although I can only get +365 right now.

And O 2.5 at -175, I think I need to shoot $350 at.

I'm in agreement with others. I don't think Holm can win a decision. She'll be potshotting a fighter that throws with a ton of power and has a much better ground game/wrestling attack. Its head kick or bust for her IMO.

[TPowell]

Hold on here. Khabib on the points spread (-3.5) is only -150??? I'm willing to guarantee unless he gets KO'd that he gets this fight to the ground and scores a 10-8 round along the way.

[PhoKing]

any rizin plays tonight?

[turbozed]

Hold on here. Khabib on the points spread (-3.5) is only -150??? I'm willing to guarantee unless he gets KO'd that he gets this fight to the ground and scores a 10-8 round along the way.

I like that one too. If this fight goes to the 2nd or 3rd round, it'll probably mean Barboza has been on his back for a significant portion of it getting pounded. He probably doesn't survive more than a round if that's the case but if somehow he does, this should still hit. Seems safer than Khabib ITD which is +165.

Now if only 5Dimes wasn't down

[turbozed]

any rizin plays tonight?

Speaking of Rizin. Did anyone else catch Gabi Garcia missing weight by *27 pounds* giving her an 80 lbs advantage over her opponent?

There's a video of her weighin in and her elderly looking opponent getting uncharacteristically non-Japanese angry.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Hold on here. Khabib on the points spread (-3.5) is only -150??? I'm willing to guarantee unless he gets KO'd that he gets this fight to the ground and scores a 10-8 round along the way.

If you like Khabib here I think that's the best way to play it. He's covered the -3.5 in all of his UFC fights so far.

[Hugo de Naranja]

In close though, Barboza will be scared shitless of the TD's. He COULD catch him with his hands down trying to guard against the TD. I'm not worried about a Barboza punch. I'll say that Khabib will get flatlined but if MJ couldn't knock him out with a punch then I don't see Edson doing it.

But Edson has so many more weapons that MJ. He's got KO/TKO wins in the UFC by leg kicks, body kick and punches, head kick, flying knee, and punches. Check out Khabib's scared face that he makes in all the fights that he has to spend more than a few minutes on the feet. He literally closes his eyes and grimaces.

[TPowell]

But Edson has so many more weapons that MJ. He's got KO/TKO wins in the UFC by leg kicks, body kick and punches, head kick, flying knee, and punches. Check out Khabib's scared face that he makes in all the fights that he has to spend more than a few minutes on the feet. He literally closes his eyes and grimaces.

You can essentially take away the kicks because he'll be in too close to throw him. His punches don't scare me. If he starts really throwing heat, he'll be on his back quickly.

[Hugo de Naranja]

You can essentially take away the kicks because he'll be in too close to throw him. His punches don't scare me. If he starts really throwing heat, he'll be on his back quickly.

I respectfully disagree that you can take away the kicks. Barboza has great footwork and range management. I think he can stick-and-move and force Khabib to shoot from far outside. Barboza also does well to shuck off opponent's clinch attempts which will be key to avoiding Khabib's chain wrestling. I think he can keep Khabib's hands off of him and use his huge advantage on the feet to either catch Khabib or outpoint him.

[TPowell]

I respectfully disagree that you can take away the kicks. Barboza has great footwork and range management. I think he can stick-and-move and force Khabib to shoot from far outside. Barboza also does well to shuck off opponent's clinch attempts which will be key to avoiding Khabib's chain wrestling. I think he can keep Khabib's hands off of him and use his huge advantage on the feet to either catch Khabib or outpoint him.

15 minutes of running isn't happening against Khabib. He'll have to stuff a ton of TD's and if that happens I think he probably finishes. Khabib -3.5 (-150) and Barboza TKO (+437) as a small hedge.

[Hugo de Naranja]

15 minutes of running isn't happening against Khabib. He'll have to stuff a ton of TD's and if that happens I think he probably finishes. Khabib -3.5 (-150) and Barboza TKO (+437) as a small hedge.

At least you'll hit your hedge on Barboza KO

On the real, this is a great fight and I'll give all credit to Khabib if he gets the win. Definitely would be deserving of the next title shot. Fights between either of these guys and McGregor/Ferguson are super exciting.

[TPowell]

At least you'll hit your hedge on Barboza KO

On the real, this is a great fight and I'll give all credit to Khabib if he gets the win. Definitely would be deserving of the next title shot. Fights between either of these guys and McGregor/Ferguson are super exciting.

I just don't see it. Anybody else thinking about the OVER on this Vettori fight? I know the Russian's chin is/was poor at 170 to say the least but Vettori has no finishes by strikes on his resume outside of a KO by knee in Venator. In the UFC, he's an undersized well rounded fighter who does nothing well and doesn't have finishing power against competent UFC level fighters. On the other side, Omari's striking is too poor to rely on a finish with his loopy punches and his grappling is more predicated on holding you down. With all that said, this fight is EVEN MONEY to go the distance?

[Hugo de Naranja]

I just don't see it. Anybody else thinking about the OVER on this Vettori fight? I know the Russian's chin is/was poor at 170 to say the least but Vettori has no finishes by strikes on his resume outside of a KO by knee in Venator. In the UFC, he's an undersized well rounded fighter who does nothing well and doesn't have finishing power against competent UFC level fighters. On the other side, Omari's striking is too poor to rely on a finish with his loopy punches and his grappling is more predicated on holding you down. With all that said, this fight is EVEN MONEY to go the distance?

I like the O2.5 here. I like Fight Starts Round 3 (-158) better since Akhmedov has gassed hard and been finished in R3 a few times in the UFC.

[TPowell]

I like the O2.5 here. I like Fight Starts Round 3 (-158) better since Akhmedov has gassed hard and been finished in R3 a few times in the UFC.

True, I may lean towards that or the 2.5. I expect to see a more durable guy at 185 but you never know. I just don't see how anything outside of a flash KO beats you at -158 which is crazy good value to me.

[Hugo de Naranja]

True, I may lean towards that or the 2.5. I expect to see a more durable guy at 185 but you never know. I just don't see how anything outside of a flash KO beats you at -158 which is crazy good value to me.

Vettori does have a solid Guillotine and could catch Akhmedov during a TD attempt but he's not much of a puncher and he's pretty durable himself.

[turbozed]

I just don't see it. Anybody else thinking about the OVER on this Vettori fight? I know the Russian's chin is/was poor at 170 to say the least but Vettori has no finishes by strikes on his resume outside of a KO by knee in Venator. In the UFC, he's an undersized well rounded fighter who does nothing well and doesn't have finishing power against competent UFC level fighters. On the other side, Omari's striking is too poor to rely on a finish with his loopy punches and his grappling is more predicated on holding you down. With all that said, this fight is EVEN MONEY to go the distance?

Vettori looks to have put on a lot of mass since his UFC debut. He looked small before but looked bigger than his opponent in his last fight. He should be bigger than Omari by 10 lbs at least come fight time unless Omari was doing some crazy cutting to 170.

[turbozed]

Vettori does have a solid Guillotine and could catch Akhmedov during a TD attempt but he's not much of a puncher and he's pretty durable himself.

I think the most likely scenario for a finish is that Omari is tired and Vettori gets a top control GnP stoppage where Omari doesn't really look out but he's not doing anything to defend.