UFC 202: Diaz vs. McGregor 2 (August 20, 2016)

[xagonzx]

he did media for 7 days straight leading up to that fight, he's doing alot of media this time aswell, but it's more spread out. and nate is always in shape so that's irrelevant.

what is relevant though is that he hadn't sparred for a few weeks, and didn't have time to sparr at all during the time leading up to the fight because he had to do media all the time.

Exactly, Nate was in shape already. I was making that point as to why it wasn't a disadvantage. Nate has been doing a lot more media this time, and says it's distracting. He didn't have much time to spar last fight, but he also didn't have any pressure to live up to. Now, Diaz is as mentally tough as they come, so it probably isn't an issue, but it can be hard to preform when you have that many distractions and hype behind you. Nate just had fun the first fight, "hit him with some good shit, don't get hit, and leave with a pocket full of cash". This time is a bit different.

As i said, I'm on Nate and don't think the above is a HUGE factor, but it IS a factor. No matter how small.

“It was just some behind-the-scenes stuff that they were not telling me about and hiding from me,” Diaz said during the UFC 202 conference call. “They had me doing a little run-around. I was just trying to get home and train. I didn’t want to be out there for that long. It all worked out though. I had training out there and it was just like [Conor] said, it’s a distraction when you’re out there.”

[xagonzx]

first 10 minutes yes, after that there is nothing in any of conors previous fights that i can find where you can create a realistic plausible scenario for how he makes it 25 minutes with the type of fighter nate is. i give him as good a oods as any (considering nate's defense isn't the best) to find that shot to put nate down. but he needs it early on, if not he'll drown in there.

Yup, I agree. Conor is too much of an unknown in my opinion to make a huge bet. I can see why people would bet on him, I just don;t think anyone should go too heavy or be overly confident-- on either side.

[plekz]

i'd argue that the pressure on conor is far greater. nate is fighting out of his weightclass, his current wins are from lightweight, he loses this he can just go back down there to his rightful weightclass. he's shown he can handle that cut fine.

for conor? if he loses this, he can forget about any marketability for him @ ww what so ever, his next fight is supposedly a rematch with aldo, that means he's gonna cut down to 145 pounds again with no iv and with the new 8% rule in place.

he looked like death at previous weighins, no way on earth does he really ever wanna fight again @ 145 and if he loses here i'm pretty sure he can forget about being offered any direct titlefight @ lw either.

[xagonzx]

i'd argue that the pressure on conor is far greater. nate is fighting out of his weightclass, his current wins are from lightweight, he loses this he can just go back down there to his rightful weightclass. he's shown he can handle that cut fine.

for conor? if he loses this, he can forget about any marketability for him @ ww what so ever, his next fight is supposedly a rematch with aldo, that means he's gonna cut down to 145 pounds again with no iv and with the new 8% rule in place.

he looked like death at previous weighins, no way on earth does he really ever wanna fight again @ 145 and if he loses here i'm pretty sure he can forget about being offered any direct titlefight @ lw either.

I think they both have a lot of pressure. Nate can demand ENORMOUS paydays if he pulls a win (He's said the UFC better hope he loses because of this). If he loses? UFC might try and off him some shitty pay, as he's always made before the first fight (he made like 40K for the Johnson win, including his bonus i think). I'm not sure if he worked out a long-term contract, or what his contract look like right now, but this fight can be massive for him.

I think Conor can keep his marketability even if he loses, although it does take a hit. Look at Rhonda, she's still very marketable and is still popular as hell. At least Conor has his title to fall back upon.

I 100% agree with you on Conor at 145 again. He looks like he's on the verge of passing out at weigh ins (blue lips, sickly thin). Especially with the weight gain to 170, the cut with the new procedures are going to be tough for him.

[plekz]

the fighters union is on it's way in. and not to mention, he could always just go the bellator route. the diaz brothers have quite a hardcore following and have had for a long time.

ronda is a female though, that's why she still has alot of her popularity in mainstream media, because she's marketable in alot of different areas. conor is a hard sell for hollywood other than some shitty badguy or cameo role (just as an example)

we are getting a bit off-topic now though. so i'll just say that if nate loses this fight, i do not think it'll be because he's had to do interviews.

[JIBBBY]

I've said it in the other threads, but i actually think the 2 weeks notice may have actually NOT been A DISADVANTAGE. Nate was in shape, and didn't have to cut weight. He also only did a few interviews leading up to the first fight. This time, he's been doing ALOT of media. I've seen like 10 different commercials/promos for this fight, he's been on Conan, Late Show, interviews like crazy. That can be distracting, and takes time away from training. McGregor has also been doing a lot less media this time around.

I think it's something to consider, even if it doesn't have much of a factor.

I feel the only way Nate loses this fight is if he's paid off and it's fixed.. After all McGregor is a major marketing selling point for the UFC and it's new ownership.. Nate Diaz not so much.. Still I'm not betting on that...

[xagonzx]

I feel the only way Nate loses this fight is if he's paid off and it's fixed.. After all McGregor is a major marketing selling point for the UFC and it's new ownership.. Nate Diaz not so much.. Still I'm not betting on that...

I wouldn't say that's the only way JIBBBY, don't forget this is MMA. That said, I would think the Diaz brothers are probably the LEAST likely to be paid off or to take a fall. Nate and Nick have both publicly disputed the UFC and been fined, etc in the past for being stubborn and sticking to their guns (gotta respect them).

[plekz]

I feel the only way Nate loses this fight is if he's paid off and it's fixed.. After all McGregor is a major marketing selling point for the UFC and it's new ownership.. Nate Diaz not so much.. Still I'm not betting on that...

nick would in all likelyhood beat his little brother half to death if nate even thought of doing anything like that.

[JIBBBY]

Nick and Nate both love getting paid and seeing those dollars roll in, not so sure neither wouldn't sell out and take a dive for the right price.. Nate then being offered a third fight with McGregor for the rubber match..

They do both hate the UFC but it's under new ownership now..

[Sato]

Nate is getting his biggest paydays ever since he started. I totally understand if hes sick of matchups that dont generate any money because that guy has 29 professional fights and hes sick of it all. Honestly...this guy wouldnt cut it in any other combat sport let alone get any payday over 1 million + Dollars.

Conor has generated huge momentum and if Nate is really smart (which he isnt) he throws the fight and gets the rubber match. I would do it because Nate probably isnt getting any belt. And with that mileage on him who knows how long he can go.

[Demonata]

This is a 50 50 fight. There's no guarantee in this fight either way. If it goes past second round i think nate diaz is going to win though. If it stays under 3 rounds i think mcgregor wins. If it goes to the ground i definitely think nate diaz wins.

[plekz]

so it's a coinflip, but if it at any point goes to the ground nate wins, same goes if it goes past the second round?

it's a 5 round fight, how on earth would what you describe above ever make it a coinflip? what you are describing is more like 70/30 in favor of diaz.

[Sato]

Demonata is just a little confused. Please, let him stay alive!

[Demonata]

Demonata is just a little confused. Please, let him stay alive!

Lol I'm trying to confuse and annoy people to get everyone pissed off waiting for the fights.

[UncleChael]

Nick and Nate both love getting paid and seeing those dollars roll in, not so sure neither wouldn't sell out and take a dive for the right price.. Nate then being offered a third fight with McGregor for the rubber match..

They do both hate the UFC but it's under new ownership now..

I think Conor McGregor wins, but I thought that the last time too. That's why it was so awesome to hear Nathan Diaz in his post fight interview. Who knows. 50/50. WAR DIAZ! Is this the biggest rematch in the sports history?

[Thor4140]

not my fault you apparently suffer from alzheimers. as for the picture you are trying to paint regarding conor? post history alone will confirm i called him ending dustin early, and same goes for his fight with mendes.

that's just two examples right there. also who the fck is ''conner'' ? eat a dicc

Sorry about the extra "n" Plekzz. Eat a dic lol

[JIBBBY]

I think Conor McGregor wins, but I thought that the last time too. That's why it was so awesome to hear Nathan Diaz in his post fight interview. Who knows. 50/50. WAR DIAZ! Is this the biggest rematch in the sports history?

Unc I've been pretty hot lately picking big fight winners.. It would be most unwise to go against my pick in this match up...

Got full mount

[UncleChael]

Unc I've been pretty hot lately picking big fight winners.. It would be most unwise to go against my pick in this match up...

Got full mount

Hahaha Diaz is going to fukking smash him!

[GoBlue77]

I feel the only way Nate loses this fight is if he's paid off and it's fixed.. After all McGregor is a major marketing selling point for the UFC and it's new ownership.. Nate Diaz not so much.. Still I'm not betting on that...

if you feel that strongly i would hope you have thousands on your guy. otherwise its lip service

i know i would IF a fix is the only way i saw something losing.

[GoBlue77]

so you lack the technical accumen to actually break down a fight is what you are saying? the fk are you even doing on this forum then?

why don't you and your gay ass shark avatar go do something more productive? like finding nemo maybe.

who are you again??? a nobody. let me guess, you're 5 foot 5...with boots on.

my record speaks for itself, i don't see any of your winners, just a bunch of talk like a woman on her period. know your place little man.

i didn't post any technical breakdown for that Bisping win, fight had zero to do with "technical accumen" but broke dikk fuks like you wouldn't understand this game.

your 15 minutes are up.

[JIBBBY]

if you feel that strongly i would hope you have thousands on your guy. otherwise its lip service

i know i would IF a fix is the only way i saw something losing.

Betting about as large as I would go in any one big fight.. $500 x 8.. Plus props... You do the math.. I've got alot riding on this fight... Pretty confident.. Nothing is bullet proof though in MMA...

With that being said I REALLY HOPE NATE WINS!!!!

I can't stand the Diaz bros but I'll be the biggest Nate fan on fight night I don't really like Connor McMouth either so it makes rooting for Nate a little easier.... Both fighters have too much tude and ego for my liking.. I prefer humble fighters that are quiet and just take care of business.. Like Demian Maia for example.....

If Nate can take a kick like this from Josh Thompson and not go unconscious I doubt McGregor can do much better.. Nate was rocked though from this kick, most other fighters would be out cold though..

[Hugo de Naranja]

I find a lot that fighter's with questionable cardio also have questionable heart (will to win and overcome in-fight adversity) and often look for a way out when things aren't going their way. I think McGregor is no exception. He thrives as the hammer, but shrivels as the nail. War Diaz

[plekz]

who are you again??? a nobody. let me guess, you're 5 foot 5.

that's usually an analogy a person who is below 6" feet in real life would attempt. take your problems with heightism and write about it on your fuccing blog.

''understand this game'' the bisping fight was an anamoly, you can't cap for those, you'd be retarded to think it's possbile.

also if it took 15 minutes for you to come up with that post of yours, i can not but pity you.

[Sato]

What about Mac knocking out Aldo in 12 seconds? Is this an "anamoly" too? Usually people who try to overpower others with aggressive posts and think they know it better are caught up in their own bubble of dullness and they cant get out of it. Its pretty deadly in the betting world. So I hope you get help plekz because I want you to do good for once. Do NOT chase your losses and do NOT bet this fight for goodness sakes.

Jibby has 4 grand riding on this baby boy so what do you think will happen? Do you think hes going to have a smooth saturday night? Guy will probably sit on his toilet the whole night and watch the event on this tablet. Get a grip!

[firekillex]

Lol jibby that exact kick tkod Diaz in that fight not sure why you're showing that gif
some head kicks land hard and aren't in the right spot , Diaz has a great chin but he can be put down , and I would bet my soul that Diaz wouldn't throw this fight. He's a natural fighter his body wouldn't even allow him to throw a fight even if a trilogy would make him rich for the rest of his life . Usually when a lines to good to be true like Diaz being a slight underdog after just beating mcgregor then it's actually to good to be true.. Seen it countless times especially in main event fights, the oddsmakers aren't stupid, a lot of people here seem 100% confident Diaz wins at +100 odds you should be playing like half your bankroll or play of the year type if you really think it's that much of a lock +100 odds you'll never get better, most locks are -200+

Btw how is this retard plenkz still spewing out th exact same info just in different forms of sayin it lmao ... Guy says its 70/30 Diaz then why aren't you going huge on this???? Are you even betting real money on this at least jibby can put his money where his mouth is after some of those outlandish quotes, I'll give respect for him sticking by his word riding it out win or loss but you come in talking all this game with nothing to show... Then if Diaz wins you'll come back screaming "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" Even though everybody here is saying its a super close fight that anybody could win but you think you're a self proclaimed mma God wizard of betting , then if mcgregor wins which he definitely could you'll just disappear into the abyss forever and nobody will see your tampon looking self again #rip

[firekillex]

What about Mac knocking out Aldo in 12 seconds? Is this an "anamoly" too? Usually people who try to overpower others with aggressive posts and think they know it better are caught up in their own bubble of dullness and they cant get out of it. Its pretty deadly in the betting world. So I hope you get help plekz because I want you to do good for once. Do NOT chase your losses and do NOT bet this fight for goodness sakes.

Jibby has 4 grand riding on this baby boy so what do you think will happen? Do you think hes going to have a smooth saturday night? Guy will probably sit on his toilet the whole night and watch the event on this tablet. Get a grip!

17 tko/kos outta 19 wins he sucks man it's an anomaly obviously ...... 89% only where's the other 11% bro

[plekz]

What about Mac knocking out Aldo in 12 seconds? Is this an "anamoly" too?

what type of question is that? if they fight 10 times how many of those times do you think aldo gets ko'd in the first round? judging by his entire career (and the fight he had after) i'd say it happens maybe 1-2 times out of 10. (if even that) because of the power mcgregor has in his left hand.

on the flipside the remaining 8 out of 10 times i see multiple ways that aldo wins, simply because he's a more versatile mma fighter than mcgregor is. a far better grappler being one.

but aldo throwing caution to the wind completly, a darting in with his hands down, he's done that exactly once in his career. and no it's not a scenario that is likely to repeat because of the consequences involved with that choice.

as for the mcgregor v diaz fight? 70 / 30 in favour of diaz, simply because the gaps that mcgregor needs to bridge are far to big for him to do it in such a short timespan. he has his punchers chance for a few rounds, after that he'll be on borrowed time.

and that's not even factoring in that nate's shots was causing damage to mcgregor last time even early on. he landed shot to the body for instance that mcgregor didn't like one bit. so we already know nate can hurt conor.

Usually when a lines to good to be true like Diaz being a slight underdog after just beating mcgregor then it's actually to good to be true.. Seen it countless times especially in main event fights, the oddsmakers aren't stupid

you mean like when they made chris weidman open and close as an underdog against anderson silva in both fights?

if you have no idea how line making works, you should probably shut the f... up right about now. lines open where they do because the oddsmakers are trying to predict the movement that the betting public will cause the lines to move. an oddsmaker would want an as even spread as possible on both lines.

also stop trying to ''predict'' or ''analyze'' me, it's fcking embarassing, as i feel embarassed for you since we are from the same speccies and you are making a complete mockery of yourself. it's way above your ''paygrade'' to say the least.

and iv'e never dissapeared after a fight is said and done, and iv'e been taken the wrongs iv'e called. shogun v chael sonnen to name one example.

but yeah, if conor wins i'd be willing to bet quite a large sum of money it would happen in the first three frames of the fight, and probably closer to the start of round three then towards the end of it. but if nate just fights the same fight he did last time, he wins this 7/10 times atleast.

and i'm fairly sure that's what he's going to do, since that's what he's done in every fight he's ever had. you don't have to worry with either nate or nick that they'll try some outlandish shit out of nowhere.

[firekillex]

Lmao you must've won a ton of oxygen on that air bet on weidman guys talking about anomalies then like a complete retarded hypocrite brings up an anomaly hahahhah you stupid Manlet , Keep dodging the question if you'll be betting real money on a +100 70% winner though you professional capper

its not hard to predict what a retards moves will be next you'll say some shit like Connor will win in the first few rounds , Diaz can win well ya he just won the last fight its mma idiot, Nate has good cardio ( WOW REALLY?!?) thanks for telling everybody things the entire public knew congralations , never seen you here once and I'd guarantee you aren't profitable in mma with your no it all attitude you'd be buried in a span of a few months ... Embarrassment ? I almost don't even want to respond because it's like talking to a brick wall or something but put it this way in any aspect of life I'm most likely better then you other then at sucking dick and betting shitty mma lines if you're ever in the area and wanna roll or put the gloves on for a video just lemme no I got all my betpoints bet on it I love putting bums like you in there place it's a good ting like mcgregor would say .

[plekz]

chris weidman v anderson silva as in the outcome being weidman wins a great majority of the times they fight, isn't an anamoly. anderson silva breaking his leg because of a checked leg kick however is.

but up until that point chris weidman had already flash ko'd silva once in that fight, and he was beating him everywhere (just like in the first fight)

there was nothing in any of those fights that said ''oh anderson is totally gonna make a comeback here all of a sudden''

so just shut the fck up, it's embarassing watching you trying to put together a coherent thought.

and ofc i'll be betting real money, the fck else would i use? the fcking shitty betpoints from here?

[firekillex]

Show the ticket or stfu with your know it all attitude bud
and ya Anderson was picking apart weidman in the first fight and got caught acting like an idiot , got caught clean on the chin wobbling around after landing huge leg kicks all fight and frustrating weidman smfh , why do you think people wanted a 2nd fight weidman was +130 2nd fight where he would've won leg or not that was a solid line congrats you found one example outta 100 times I've seen a to good to be true line that buried everybody in multiple sports I've seen this , why the fck would I lie I have nothing to gain giving tips when I've actually won money and still do when all you're doing is air bets thinking you're the queen


use you're " huge winnings" to get $100 and become pro maybe then you can do betpoint bets instead of air bets at least have some action ?

[plekz]

and ya Anderson was picking apart weidman in the first fight

what type of drug coctail are you on man? weidman outstruck silva in the 1st round, and took him down and gnp'd to a point where silva didn't want anything to do with weidman on the ground. they then landed the same amount of strikes in the 2nd round (where silva got ko'd)

and silva was ''clowning'' because weidman refused to engage, and silva had to keep his hands low because he didn't wanna get taken down anymore by weidman. you see silva has his hands that low because it makes it easier for him to sprawl when people shoot on him.

it was still weidman that set the trap for silva, by mixing it up, and throwing an additional strike in the combination (from the same hand) which meant that silva's head had nowhere to go, he had already fully extended dodging the previous strikes. which is why it landed flush.

and silva had even less for weidman in the 2nd fight. he didn't get caught acting like an idiot, weidman read him, and set a trap for him that silva walked right in to. simple as, since silva thought he was ''safe'' when that last blow landed.

oh you wanna play the multiple sports card do you? son, i could give you countless examples from soccer where the linemakers have put the lines up their asses in terms of the value they've left out there. leicester f.c for instance last year were a dog practicly in every fcking game they had almost (eventhough they won the league, people were still acting like, oh but this will surely be the game they lose)

lots of people were robbing the fcking bookies blind from halfway into the fall last year, until way up towards the end of the season. not to mention the amount of money you can make off of retarded lines on champions league every fcking year.

the euros this summer they were also giving away free money, not to mention the last world cup that was like robbing kids with a shotgun.

[firekillex]

what type of drug coctail are you on man?

Weidman took him down and in the last minute Anderson got weidman frustrated and started drawing him into a standup fight where Anderson started landing shots and huge kicks , more of the same in the 2nd until he gets hit pretends to be wobbled then gets hit by a beauty combo , Anderson usually starts rolling after he gets the other fighter frustrated like that as he's shown in his career of being arguably the greatest ever smh, I guarantee you didn't have anything over $10 on weidman lol , you talk such a big game then ignore multiple comments on proving yourself then continue arguing like you're the man its hilarious , I'm out though it's always fun talking with idiots like you to show how delusional some people trulely are , thank you though if it wasn't for sheep like you I wouldn't be so profitable cheers tampon

[plekz]

then ignore multiple comments on proving yourself

the fck are you on about? you are clearly high off your ass since you trying to pretend that silva v wediman 1 was a ''competetive'' fight up until silva got ko'd.

did silva land a few legkicks? yeah, was weidman getting a bit annoyed at all of silva's shit antics? yeah. weidman clearly won the first round however, which is why silva was trying all that ridic shit in the 2nd round, because he wanted to frustrate weidman to the point he would start throwing reckless (since silva is a counterstriker) but weidman never did, instead he baited silva and set a trap for him that silva walked right into.

[JIBBBY]

Hahaha Diaz is going to fukking smash him!

Thanks for the 200 bitch points Unc.. Appreciation!!! I return the favor in spades.

Yep UNC, War Diaz it is!!! Get after it Nate and don't fock this up... Stockton represent!!!... Damn I never thought I'd be saying that

[JIBBBY]

I find a lot that fighter's with questionable cardio also have questionable heart (will to win and overcome in-fight adversity) and often look for a way out when things aren't going their way. I think McGregor is no exception. He thrives as the hammer, but shrivels as the nail. War Diaz

Well as the old saying goes a gassed fighter is a beaten fighter.. When their is nothing left in the tank most fighters are done and it doesn't matter how much heart you have.. That's why you gotta put in the work as cardio is king..