UFC on FOX 12: Lawler vs. Brown (July 26, 2014)

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  • PunisherIND
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    #211
    Who knows what price he got. Not guida decision was -160 yesterday.
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    • JIBBBY
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      #212
      My take, prelims and bet options -

      -240 Jorge Masvidal (26-8) vs +200 Daren Cruickshank (15-4)
      - Thinking dog play small in this one perhaps fellas? There is value I think in this straight bet.

      Masvidal probably out points Daren in this one and could win by decision but I'm thinking Daren is a really tough dude and has a knack for landing those nasty head kicks.. Probably a close to even match up as far as I can tell... So it might be worth a shot to play Cruickshank at +200 in this one.. This is a gamble though, Masvidal is more well rounded and has the experience edge over Daren... Better on the ground if he can get it there..

      http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Daron-Cruickshank-53717 - He's got the wrestling to keep this fight standing and has only been stopped one time in his MMA career with strikes and that was years ago.. 60 percent KO ratio and has 9 finishes by KO in 15 wins..

      http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jorge-Masvidal-7688 9 of his last fights have gone the distance so Masvidal is pretty damnn durable and hard to finish though..

      Tempted by the odds but slightly leaning towards Masvidal in a decision victory.. Tough call as I also think Masvidal can possibly catch those spinning kicks and take down Daron!!!!!!

      Cruickshank wins inside the distance +550..
      Got head kick maybe? Highlight vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc1pkypG-UE
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      • MarkWoodstick
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        • 06-18-14
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        #213
        Originally posted by PunisherIND
        Who knows what price he got. Not guida decision was -160 yesterday.
        Considering that he's still questioning whether it has value today, I assumed he was looking at the current line...I think Guida has a very real chance for a decision victory. I think Cummins not ITD at -230 is a better bet if we're talking juicy prop bets
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        • getlucky2win
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          #214
          Originally posted by PunisherIND
          Who knows what price he got. Not guida decision was -160 yesterday.
          yup hit it yest. i like bermudez n ths 1
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          • PunisherIND
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            • 02-24-11
            • 4983

            #215
            Originally posted by MarkWoodstick
            Considering that he's still questioning whether it has value today, I assumed he was looking at the current line...I think Guida has a very real chance for a decision victory. I think Cummins not ITD at -230 is a better bet if we're talking juicy prop bets
            he was questioning why getlucky played Not guida by decision
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            • MarkWoodstick
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              • 06-18-14
              • 221

              #216
              Originally posted by PunisherIND
              he was questioning why getlucky played Not guida by decision
              Didn't use my context clues there. My apologies.
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              • JIBBBY
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                • 12-10-09
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                #217
                +125 Kyle Kingsbury (11-5) vs -145 Patrick Cummings (5-1)

                Liking the dog in this one - I think Patrick is over hyped from the DC fight and still a bit raw, unproven, doesn't seem to have locked down his wrestling advantage and shots in fights yet, looks unsure of himself at times. He's got the potential though as he is certainly a solid wrestler, his cardio is good too.. He should be improving with each fight also training full time now.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Patrick-Cummins-72981

                Kyle is a tough bruiser though and has been in the cage with better fighters then Patrick Cumming.. Has decent take down defense... Glover Tex took him down and sub'd him and he also is on a 3 fight losing streak but faced tough opponents though.. All tougher then Patrick Cummings I think.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Kyle-Kingsbury-16558 Kyle has been out of the cage for a while and could have some ring rust... Need to see him at weigh ins before I make a play on this one...

                I'm liking Kyle Kingsbury by KO early if he can defend the take downs and land his strikes early and often which I think he might be able to do in this fight if he's in good shape.. I think he drops Patrick Cummings standing just like DC did... Kyle is the more experienced and better striker going in.. Kyle really needs this win being that he lost 3 in row now..
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                • getlucky2win
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                  #218
                  kingsbu on drugs

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                  • JIBBBY
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                    • 12-10-09
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                    #219
                    Originally posted by getlucky2win
                    I read this earlier.. I laughed as he went guru on us..

                    Gotta be nuts in the head just a bit to be a cage fighter in the first place.. From Cali this comes as no surprise to me.. I'm just a little confused why he didn't pick a yoga retreat, blaze up and become one with the universe instead...

                    I just hope he brings his fight game face in the Octagon come Saturday night!!!... If focused and trained up he should win...

                    This fight most likely is NOT going the distance by the way... Kingsbury wins inside the distance +330 instead of the straight play might be the call....... If Kingsbury wins this fight it's gonna be by KO or ref stoppage and not by decision I believe..
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                    • latarianmilton
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                      • 12-23-13
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                      #220
                      does cummings still work at starbucks?
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                      • Domestic
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                        #221
                        I was very surprised to see Cummins open the favourite here, I guess when you are up against a guy on a 3 loss streak it makes sense though.
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                        • latarianmilton
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                          • 12-23-13
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                          #222
                          Originally posted by Domestic
                          I was very surprised to see Cummins open the favourite here, I guess when you are up against a guy on a 3 loss streak it makes sense though.
                          well he looked terrible vs bonnar on the ground
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                          • JIBBBY
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                            • 12-10-09
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                            #223
                            -240 Tim Means (26-6-1) vs +200 Hernani Perpetuo (17-4)

                            Liking yet another dog in these prelims and not even because of the odds this time around.. Even though Hernani lost to Meins in his last fight he can still win in more ways then Tim Means.. Hernani knows how to win fights and does just that thru out his entire career.. I see him rebounding strong after the loss in this fight.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Hernani-Perpetuo-28185

                            Can't say the same for Tim Means...

                            I liked this write up below and I really don't have much more to ad to it in short.. (copy and paste)

                            Two short years ago, Means was considered one to reckon with in the welterweight division. But two losses (and that infamous sauna slip) sent him out of the UFC. Two first-round knockouts in the minor leagues later and he was back in the UFC. Then he lost to Neil Magny.
                            Perpetuo trains with Nova Uniao and dropped a close one to Jordan Mein in his UFC debut in April. But he still has serious potential as a fighter. He has more of a brawler's instinct than some of his more polished teammates, but he's still a dangerous striker and a submission artist. It's a well-rounded game that landed him the Shooto welterweight title. At UFC on FOX it will land him his first UFC victory.

                            Prediction: Perpetuo, unanimous decision

                            Jibbby - Thinking Perpetua by submission perhaps late in the fight myself. To keep this fight simple though it appears to me that if Tim Means doesn't knock his opponents out he doesn't win in recent fights... Lost 3 of 5 fights.. Flip side Perpetuo has never been KO'd in his MMA career, I see no reason why that should change..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Hernani-Perpetuo-28185

                            (1 unit on Perpetua +200 placed)
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                            • Dwil125
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                              #224
                              Originally posted by JIBBBY
                              Well blow me twice on Sunday!!! I didn't know tapping from punches could be considered a Submission win.. Learn something new everyday!

                              Well, I guess I'm not gonna lay down 3,500 to win 50 bucks now on "Rumble not by submission win" then... LOL....
                              How are you betting on mma if you don't know these types of things?
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                              • TheCalculator
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                                #225
                                Nothing focuses a fighter like pounding jungle drugs.
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                                • JIBBBY
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                                  #226
                                  Originally posted by Dwil125
                                  How are you betting on mma if you don't know these types of things?
                                  I never played prop bets before Dwil, just joined 5D when MD told me of it a few months ago.. I never paid attention to sub wins by strikes I guess.. I'm glad I know this now

                                  I pick fights Dwil that's what I do best. My MMA gambling is still a work in progress but I got a solid grip on it now.... I'll catch up to you guys just bare with me ok..
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                                  • Skel
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                                    #227



                                    “This whole time I’ve been sparring and training, anytime I went with anyone other than Cormier and Cain (Velasquez), I whipped their ass; I did great, like I’m supposed to because I’m in the UFC. Anytime I went against Cormier or Cain, I got my ass kicked like I’m supposed to because these guys are the heavyweight champ and the number one contender. And the truth is, every time I’ve had my ass kicked by Cormier, he’s exposed some of my weaknesses in my wrestling, he’s exposed things that I need to get better at, and then we worked on that and I’ve improved. Those beatings that I’ve received this camp have been a tremendous help to me.”
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                                    • goodfellas433
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                                      • 07-16-12
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                                      #228
                                      This fn guy

                                      Originally posted by PunisherIND
                                      Can't even stand to look at his face, he's robbed me of so much money.
                                      Looks like John Oates telling a concert crowd how big his dong is in 1982 anyway. Prick.
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                                      • mirinquads
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                                        • 04-22-13
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                                        #229
                                        Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                        I never played prop bets before Dwil, just joined 5D when MD told me of it a few months ago.. I never paid attention to sub wins by strikes I guess.. I'm glad I know this now

                                        I pick fights Dwil that's what I do best. My MMA gambling is still a work in progress but I got a solid grip on it now.... I'll catch up to you guys just bare with me ok..
                                        I don't hope so jibster, because then you're in bigger trouble than i thought
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                                        • marzwoody
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                                          #230
                                          ^ lol
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                                          • JIBBBY
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                                            • 12-10-09
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                                            #231
                                            ^^^^Dude's, I thought when you tap from ground strikes it was called a TKO, not a submission win.. What is the big frigg'n deal? It's a technicality who cares? Well I guess in prop betting it matters and now I know...

                                            Maybe some of you guys would win more bets if you concentrated on the fights and betting lines themselves rather then just ripping on members posting and asking rare questions that are pretty much meaningless in nature....

                                            Besides how often do you see fighters tap from strikes at the top levels.. Not often if ever...... You guys are reaching and can kiss my...... lol....
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                                            • MD
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                                              • 01-31-12
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                                              #232
                                              Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                              ^^^^Dude's, I thought when you tap from ground strikes it was called a TKO, not a submission win.. What is the big frigg'n deal? It's a technicality who cares? Well I guess in prop betting it matters and now I know...

                                              Maybe some of you guys would win more bets if you concentrated on the fights and betting lines themselves rather then just ripping on members posting and asking rare questions that are pretty much meaningless in nature....

                                              Besides how often do you see fighters tap from strikes at the top levels.. Not often if ever...... You guys are reaching and can kiss my...... lol....
                                              Tapping to strikes counting as a submission victory is "pretty much meaningless" in regards to the Not Rumble by Sub -7000 line? C'maaaaaaaahn dude.

                                              People aren't ripping on you simply because of your "question". Can you understand how it could become frustrating that the least-informed member of the forum is also the loudest? Your posts read like a how-to on trolling people who know what they're talking about by having the most level-1 thinking imaginable.
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                                              • JIBBBY
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                                                • 12-10-09
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                                                #233
                                                Originally posted by MD
                                                Tapping to strikes counting as a submission victory is "pretty much meaningless" in regards to the Not Rumble by Sub -7000 line? C'maaaaaaaahn dude.

                                                People aren't ripping on you simply because of your "question". Can you understand how it could become frustrating that the least-informed member of the forum is also the loudest? Your posts read like a how-to on trolling people who know what they're talking about by having the most level-1 thinking imaginable.
                                                Who's gonna play that prop MD at -7000? You and your tiny arse bank roll?. LOL... Like I said it's just a technicality that applies only to prop bets which I am fairly new at playing... I asked the question and got the answer.. Thanks.. Let's move on...

                                                Loudest - because I'm sharing info on fights and posting up comprehensive breakdowns that I normally should be getting paid for.... I'd rather you just say thank you... I don't like attention MD.. Just want to win bets and laugh while doing it..... That's exactly what I do with my Level 1 thinking... Check ALL the event threads for the last 3 months in case you forgot...
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                                                • MD
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                                                  #234
                                                  Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                  Who's gonna play that prop MD at -7000? You and your tiny arse bank roll?. LOL... Like I said it's just a technicality that applies only to prop bets which I am fairly new at playing... I asked the question and got the answer.. Thanks.. Let's move on...

                                                  Loudest - because I'm sharing info on fights and posting up comprehensive breakdowns that I normally should be getting paid for.... I'd rather you just say thank you... I don't like attention MD.. Just want to win bets and laugh while doing it..... That's exactly what I do with my Level 1 thinking... Check the event threads for the last 3 months in case you forgot...
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                                                  • JIBBBY
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                                                    #235
                                                    MD, I like ya and you're probably a good guy just like you always say to others just before ripping on them.

                                                    Hear me out on this - let this Level-1 thinker give ya a few words of advice to help with your gambling and overall happiness in life.

                                                    You can't win gambling or in life consistently being a negative person, someone that just finds fault in others and then projects that negativity onto others to gain notoriety.. Even if you do cap, or trail and win off others you won't enjoy the money MD, you'll probably just lose it soon after, bad business deals, bad bets, etc.. then just get in debt and end up in GA one day..... NOT FUN....

                                                    For me - I'm more lucky then good half the time, I'll admit to that and this happens for a reason.. I share, give to charities, good to other people, and try to stay positive and unselfish in my thoughts and actions.. I don't rip on others or look to tear them down.. Rather try to be a teacher and share.. This brings good Karma in life, in business, in relationships and in GAMBLING!!!!.. Lady luck likes these types of people and I sleep with her alot..

                                                    Try it and see what happens... Flip that switch..
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                                                    • goodfellas433
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                                                      • 07-16-12
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                                                      #236
                                                      Jibbby, I don't know why but you are really starting to grow on me. If this was still like pre-school and we are getting credit for sheer effort, for how hard you try...you would be kicking everyone's ass in this thread.

                                                      Unfortunately, we are mostly just degenerate gamblers in here so you will continue to get shit lol
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                                                      • MD
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                                                        #237
                                                        Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                        MD, I like ya and you're probably a good guy just like you always say to others just before ripping on them.

                                                        Hear me out on this - let this Level-1 thinker give ya a few words of advice to help with your gambling and overall happiness in life.

                                                        You can't win gambling or in life consistently being a negative person, someone that just finds fault in others and then projects that negativity onto others to gain notoriety.. Even if you do cap, or trail and win off others you won't enjoy the money MD, you'll probably just lose it soon after, bad business deals, bad bets, etc.. then just get in debt and end up in GA one day..... NOT FUN....

                                                        For me - I'm more lucky then good half the time, I'll admit to that and this happens for a reason.. I share, give to charities, good to other people, and try to stay positive and unselfish in my thoughts and actions.. I don't rip on others or look to tear them down.. Rather try to be a teacher and share.. This brings good Karma in life, in business, in relationships and in GAMBLING!!!!.. Lady luck likes these types of people and I sleep with her alot..

                                                        Try it and see what happens... Flip that switch..
                                                        I am an extremely positive person. I like myself, I like the people I have chosen to surround myself with. I take a copious amount of psychedelics just for the purpose of obtaining more peace and positivity. I play fetch with my dog every day. Not every positive person is positive about everything, and I always give my honest opinion.

                                                        You're a likeable guy, but you act as if you're "here to learn", then just spend your time posting Bleacher Report writeups and telling people why their logic is wrong. Hard-working guys who are here to learn but know next to nothing are guys that I like, so I assumed that I'd like your posts, but you make the same mistakes over and over and seem somewhat unwilling to grasp the actual concepts that are raised to you. I suppose the fundamental issue I have with you is that you can take on board facts, such as numbers, pretty easily, but logical concepts seem to escape you, and I never feel as if you've properly understood my points when I reply to you.

                                                        What's the point in trying to teach Leonard Garcia how to throw an oblique kick? He's just going to go windmilling either way.



                                                        P.S. No such thing as "luck", pal, but I like that you stay positive.
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                                                        • MD
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                                                          #238
                                                          Originally posted by goodfellas433
                                                          Jibbby, I don't know why but you are really starting to grow on me. If this was still like pre-school and we are getting credit for sheer effort, for how hard you try...you would be kicking everyone's ass in this thread.

                                                          Unfortunately, we are mostly just degenerate gamblers in here so you will continue to get shit lol
                                                          Correct on all points.
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                                                          • Pmoney
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                                                            • 06-19-14
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                                                            #239
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                                                            • PaperTrail07
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                                                              • 08-29-08
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                                                              #240
                                                              Jibby is good people
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                                                              • Vaughany
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                                                                • 03-07-10
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                                                                #241
                                                                Originally posted by latarianmilton
                                                                well he looked terrible vs bonnar on the ground
                                                                Kingsbu is hopeless off his back. Like a turtle trying to get up
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                                                                • Vaughany
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                                                                  #242
                                                                  Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                                  MD, I like ya and you're probably a good guy just like you always say to others just before ripping on them.

                                                                  Hear me out on this - let this Level-1 thinker give ya a few words of advice to help with your gambling and overall happiness in life.

                                                                  You can't win gambling or in life consistently being a negative person, someone that just finds fault in others and then projects that negativity onto others to gain notoriety.. Even if you do cap, or trail and win off others you won't enjoy the money MD, you'll probably just lose it soon after, bad business deals, bad bets, etc.. then just get in debt and end up in GA one day..... NOT FUN....

                                                                  For me - I'm more lucky then good half the time, I'll admit to that and this happens for a reason.. I share, give to charities, good to other people, and try to stay positive and unselfish in my thoughts and actions.. I don't rip on others or look to tear them down.. Rather try to be a teacher and share.. This brings good Karma in life, in business, in relationships and in GAMBLING!!!!.. Lady luck likes these types of people and I sleep with her alot..

                                                                  Try it and see what happens... Flip that switch..
                                                                  Guru Jibbehhhh!
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                                                                  • JIBBBY
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                                                                    • 12-10-09
                                                                    • 83686

                                                                    #243
                                                                    Originally posted by MD
                                                                    P.S. No such thing as "luck", pal, but I like that you stay positive.
                                                                    Respectively disagree MD...

                                                                    Luck has many different names - blessed, fortunate, on fire, killing it, can't lose, etc. Just saying what goes around usually comes around in life.. Be cool and not a fool. Toast don't Roast..

                                                                    If most are degenerate gamblers posting in this forum then you're all my kinda people..
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                                                                    • MarkWoodstick
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                                                                      • 06-18-14
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                                                                      #244
                                                                      Originally posted by latarianmilton
                                                                      well he looked terrible vs bonnar on the ground
                                                                      Bonnar is better than Cummins in every way
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                                                                      • MD
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                                                                        • 01-31-12
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                                                                        #245
                                                                        Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                                        Respectively disagree MD...
                                                                        That's the jibbiest reply I've ever heard.
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