Pat Curran will clearly defeat Patricio Pitbull tomorrow night

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  • MD
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    • 01-31-12
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    #1
    Pat Curran will clearly defeat Patricio Pitbull tomorrow night
    Curran is going to put an end to the hype train. I've already posted that I believe most of the fight will be contested on the feet, due to both fighter's outstanding takedown defence, and although many would give Pitbull the edge on the feet, I think Curran will beat him there. Soundly.

    I believe that if there's a knockout, it will be Pat knocking out Freire, and rarely vice-versa. Pitbull can get the better of Curran in some exchanges, and maybe even win some rounds, but the fact is that Curran is one of the most well-rounded strikers in the division and his defence is resoundingly the best in the division. His defence is superb, and his ability to control distance and pacing is excellent.

    Let me ask you the money question: outside of his physical tools, what is Curran's biggest advantage on the feet? The answer is that he is a truly disciplined striker. Say what you will about Freire's cardio, he's gotten two third-round knockouts in Bellator, but the fact that he gets sloppier and sloppier as the fight progresses is undeniable. For an example, his knockout of Reis is considered one of his finest moments, but take a look at the video. His form, his technique, his timing. Look at everything about it.



    I'm not impressed by Freire's cardio, and I don't think he's a disciplined enough striker to execute a solid game plan against a fighter like Curran for five rounds. Pitbull has the tools to win, but he probably won't find the early knockout due to Curran's defence, and even if he wins the first round or two, it will get ugly from there. Pat Curran can find anyone's chin; his accuracy and his ability to exploit openings in a person's striking game are world-class. Curran is a low-volume striker with a style that doesn't bode well for him should the fight go to the judges, but even if Pitbull wins the first three rounds, if he gets sloppy as he has in the past, there's a very strong chance that Curran will finish him. Freire is a physical specimen, but Curran is conditioned, disciplined, and has the fight IQ to exploit Pitbull at every possible turn. He'll use his reach and cardio advantages, drag Pitbull into deep waters, and then drown him.

    Curran, moderate-large.
  • Sacrelicious
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    • 11-29-12
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    #2
    I'm smallish on him, and very small on the over.
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    • Vaughany
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      • 03-07-10
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      #3
      On Curran moderate as well at moment. May buy back some tho depending on line movement
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      • sideloaded
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        #4
        "cain will bury the forum"
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        • MD
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          #5
          Originally posted by sideloaded
          "cain will bury the forum"
          "Nate Diaz is a square bet."
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          • Sacrelicious
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            #6
            Originally posted by sideloaded
            "cain will bury the forum"
            Please dont remind me of that fight.
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            • Vaughany
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              • 03-07-10
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              #7
              oh so is it back on Thursday night now then?
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              • MD
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                • 01-31-12
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                #8
                ^ Yeah, it's their debut on Spike.
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                • Kaladarus
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                  #9
                  Clearly
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                  • bjpenn85
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                    • 02-17-11
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                    #10
                    Nice breakdown, im tempted to wager on curran after reading this breakdown. Anyone wants to contribute with a similar persuasive breakdown on freire?
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                    • Mercersux
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                      • 05-03-12
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                      #11
                      Totally forgot that this card is on tomorrow. Pumped to see how much the production quality may improve. Agree with MD. Curran should defend. Also leaning Chandler to defend as well. Anybody got any leans on the other non title main card bouts?
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                      • Fragoel2
                        SBR High Roller
                        • 09-08-12
                        • 107

                        #12
                        Got a 2 unit bet on Curran. I generally play only one unit, but I'm super-confident on this.
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                        • MD
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                          #13
                          Just want to make a quick point which I forgot to mention earlier: Both are coming off of long lay offs and injuries, which may affect how they fight, and they may also have improved an unpredictable amount. Doesn't really change anything in my breakdown, but it's a variable which has to be considered. For a fighter like Curran who relies on timing and precision, the lay off may have affected his ability to implement these features of his game, and for a fighter like Pitbull, I wouldn't be surprised to see him somewhat hesitant and poorly-conditioned. Hard to tell who this favours, but I'd lean towards Curran for his consistent conditioning.
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                          • Fenster
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                            • 09-03-10
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                            #14
                            Agreed. As I did with Nate & Cain.
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                            • Crassus
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                              #15
                              I'm with you on Curran's cardio superiority. He's always displayed excellent conditioning, though that was at lightweight and I can't say for sure what kind of conditioning he'll have compared but regardless it'll probably be better than Pitbulls whose shown average cardio for a featherweight.

                              He does however retain knockout power and while you seem unimpressed by the finish of Reis or Karakhanyan I'm the opposite. He seemed to have excellent accuracy and timing for the knockout, he just wasn't worried about a counter so he let his hands down. Once he realized there was no danger, he didn't really just needed to land. If you watch the prior fight you will see he's a very tight striker who picks his moments. I think despite the loss, the Joe Warren fight was an excellent display of Pitbulls timing and striking acumen.

                              I also really think Pitbull is gonna be too good of a striker due to Curran's win over Sandro. Yes, Curran timed Sandros head movement excellently and definitely won the fight. He was not doing great prior to that point though, and I would say that Pitbull is a better striker than Sandro. He's not as good on the ground and he doesn't have as much power, but he's more accurate and picks his spots better.

                              Disagreeing with you again here cousin, granted, that hasn't ended greatly for me in the past and I can definitely see Curran beating Pitbull in impressive fashion, I gotta go with the dog odds I'm gonna get with Pitbull come fight night.
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                              • sideloaded
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                                #16
                                You guys know Curran is going to be dropping multiple rounds early by doing nothing right? Better hope he hurts patricio bad.
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                                • bjpenn85
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                                  #17
                                  Good point. Pat curran lost the fight until he got the KO. That was a clear decision without any doubt as i remember then BOOOOM KO. When you read what people write her about curran, it seems like people have totally forgotten this, nearing lock status. Curran is very passive and is he more technical than freire?
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                                  • MD
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Crassus
                                    I'm with you on Curran's cardio superiority. He's always displayed excellent conditioning, though that was at lightweight and I can't say for sure what kind of conditioning he'll have compared but regardless it'll probably be better than Pitbulls whose shown average cardio for a featherweight.

                                    He does however retain knockout power and while you seem unimpressed by the finish of Reis or Karakhanyan I'm the opposite. He seemed to have excellent accuracy and timing for the knockout, he just wasn't worried about a counter so he let his hands down. Once he realized there was no danger, he didn't really just needed to land. If you watch the prior fight you will see he's a very tight striker who picks his moments. I think despite the loss, the Joe Warren fight was an excellent display of Pitbulls timing and striking acumen.

                                    I also really think Pitbull is gonna be too good of a striker due to Curran's win over Sandro. Yes, Curran timed Sandros head movement excellently and definitely won the fight. He was not doing great prior to that point though, and I would say that Pitbull is a better striker than Sandro. He's not as good on the ground and he doesn't have as much power, but he's more accurate and picks his spots better.

                                    Disagreeing with you again here cousin, granted, that hasn't ended greatly for me in the past and I can definitely see Curran beating Pitbull in impressive fashion, I gotta go with the dog odds I'm gonna get with Pitbull come fight night.
                                    It's all good, I could see Pitbull pulling out the win, also. I don't blame you for seeing good value in the even odds. I think that saying Pitbull is a better striker than Sandro is pointless, though. Striking styles are important, and Sandro's striking style is much more suited to a guy like Curran than Pitbull's is. Sandro punished Curran with leg kicks, while Pitbull's leg kicks aren't nearly as good as Sandro's. Regardless of whether or not I think Pitbull is the better striker (which I don't, necessarily), I think judging how he will perform against Curran by using his performance against a stylistically-unfavourable striker like Sandro isn't a good idea.

                                    The Sandro win is one of the biggest reasons the odds are as close as they are, and I don't think it's as big of a factor as most think it to be. For the sake of argument, though, why is that a point in Pitbull's favour? Let me put it to you this way; suppose that the best case scenario (other than an early finish) for a Pitbull backer happens, and Pitbull wins the first two rounds. For most fighters, especially at the lower weight classes, winning the first two rounds pretty much locks up the fight the majority of the time. Why is it that it's a point in the favour of Pitbull that Curran can lose the first two rounds against a guy with similar cardio to Pitbull, who is a better defensive striker, and then brutally finish him in the third? Why does that favour Pitbull, who has cardio issues, is known to get sloppy, and can leave his defences open, in a five round fight? That makes no sense to me. If anything, it increases the likelihood of a Curran win in my eyes.
                                    Last edited by MD; 01-16-13, 08:42 PM.
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                                    • v1y
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                                      • 05-02-11
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                                      #19
                                      patricio's got this
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                                      • Oblivian
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                                        • 01-27-12
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                                        #20
                                        With Curran's passivity, I have a hard time seeing him clearly take the fight. Even you admit Patricio may get a couple rounds. If Curran wins, I'm guessing he will capitalize on Pitbull being gassed or it will be a very close decision.
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                                        • thes0vereign
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                                          • 02-13-12
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                                          #21
                                          Fan in me says take Pitbull, which means I should probably fade him. I don't think he can finish Curran before his questionable gas tank comes into play.
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                                          • Crassus
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by MD
                                            It's all good, I could see Pitbull pulling out the win, also. I don't blame you for seeing good value in the even odds. I think that saying Pitbull is a better striker than Sandro is pointless, though. Striking styles are important, and Sandro's striking style is much more suited to a guy like Curran than Pitbull's is. Sandro punished Curran with leg kicks, while Pitbull's leg kicks aren't nearly as good as Sandro's. Regardless of whether or not I think Pitbull is the better striker (which I don't, necessarily), I think judging how he will perform against Curran by using his performance against a stylistically-unfavourable striker like Sandro isn't a good idea.

                                            The Sandro win is one of the biggest reasons the odds are as close as they are, and I don't think it's as big of a factor as most think it to be. For the sake of argument, though, why is that a point in Pitbull's favour? Let me put it to you this way; suppose that the best case scenario (other than an early finish) for a Pitbull backer happens, and Pitbull wins the first two rounds. For most fighters, especially at the lower weight classes, winning the first two rounds pretty much locks up the fight the majority of the time. Why is it that it's a point in the favour of Pitbull that Curran can lose the first two rounds against a guy with similar cardio to Pitbull, who is a better defensive striker, and then brutally finish him in the third? Why does that favour Pitbull, who has cardio issues, is known to get sloppy, and can leave his defences open, in a five round fight? That makes no sense to me. If anything, it increases the likelihood of a Curran win in my eyes.
                                            I guess I put that down wrongly. I'm saying that due to the Sandro fight where Curran was willing to be passive for a long time against someone like Sandro, which he survived. If he's that passive against Pitbull he's gonna get finished in my opinion.
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                                            • JamesKim
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                                              • 09-03-12
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                                              #23
                                              ^ Curran says he's been working a lot on being more aggressive, I hope so. I laid small on Curran.
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                                              • fightbetter
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                                                #24
                                                I put 50 down on Curran.
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                                                • MD
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Crassus
                                                  I guess I put that down wrongly. I'm saying that due to the Sandro fight where Curran was willing to be passive for a long time against someone like Sandro, which he survived. If he's that passive against Pitbull he's gonna get finished in my opinion.
                                                  Being passive doesn't make you more likely to be finished, especially for someone like Curran. It makes him more likely to lose a decision, less likely to be finished and more likely to find a finish, I'd say.
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                                                  • hougigo
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                                                    #26
                                                    Wow... this is finally happening
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                                                    • ShotgunRua
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                                                      • 09-12-12
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                                                      #27
                                                      I have Curran as a 95% lock
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                                                      • Vaughany
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                                                        #28
                                                        for realz son! he's got this
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                                                        • ShotgunRua
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                                                          • 09-12-12
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                                                          #29
                                                          I took a £1500 Wonga loan out bro, put half on Curran/Aldo parlay and the rest on a holiday
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                                                          • Sacrelicious
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                                                            #30
                                                            Seems most of us are on the same page then....
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                                                            • Vaughany
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                                                              #31
                                                              lol wonga
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                                                              • MD
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                                                                #32
                                                                Freire's cardio looked all right through three rounds in what was a slow-paced fight, but towards the later rounds he slowed somewhat and, more importantly, as I predicted, he got significantly sloppier as the fight went on, got caught with his hands down frequently and was punished by the more disciplined and focused striker. Fantastic performance by Curran, and a good showing in defeat by Pitbull.

                                                                Hope you guiz tailed, guiz.
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                                                                • MD
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Split? Really?
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                                                                  • Grabaka
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    I layed some wonga money
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                                                                    • Vaughany
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by ShotgunRua
                                                                      I took a £1500 Wonga loan out bro, put half on Curran/Aldo parlay and the rest on a holiday
                                                                      Good decision! At least you wont have to worry about their new debt collection agencies banging on your door tomorrow!..

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