Betfair don't pay

[sa6o]

BetFair closed my account due to bonus abuse.
They said they'll not pay me the funds I have in the account-35 EUR.
(this money is not bonus money,it is winnings from bonus and is withdrawable.)

I didn't know Betfair is a scam and this surprised me.
they have the right to close my account,
but not to confiscate my money.
really I played for bonuses but why they confiscate my funds?

as a punishment

[Hareeba!]

BetFair closed my account due to bonus abuse.
They said they'll not pay me the funds I have in the account-35 EUR.
(this money is not bonus money,it is winnings from bonus and is withdrawable.)

I didn't know Betfair is a scam and this surprised me.
they have the right to close my account,
but not to confiscate my money.
really I played for bonuses but why they confiscate my funds?

as a punishment

Did you read their terms and conditions before trying to scam them?

[sa6o]

Did you read their terms and conditions before trying to scam them?

what is scam?my **** card or my ID card?
they are both real.
you don't want to confess Betfair steal money from players.
just google it.
a profitable business.

with one exception of course-if they are strictly regulated like in UK and Australia,
they can't steal.But see-all the other world is theirs-for stealing.

Thanks God,my country will accept a licensing law and Betfair will stop stealing from my country.

[sa6o]

I have to say why Betfair closed my account and stoled my money.
I played only on exchange games risk free 5 EUR weekly promo.
I can't see any sense to bet at Betfair when Smarkets have the same odds
and only 2% commission instead of 5%.

[Hareeba!]

I have to say why Betfair closed my account and stoled my money.
I played only on exchange games risk free 5 EUR weekly promo.
I can't see any sense to bet at Betfair when Smarkets have the same odds
and only 2% commission instead of 5%.

Not everone pays 5% at Betfair
As I understand Smarkets don't offer near the full range of sports and no racing markets?
I trust Betfair after a decade of great service, great odds and huge selection of sports but then I've never attempted anything illegal or contrary to their rules.
One day I may get to that point with Smarkets but as yet they're not on the same planet.

[Hareeba!]

what is scam?my **** card or my ID card?
they are both real.
you don't want to confess Betfair steal money from players.
just google it.
a profitable business.

with one exception of course-if they are strictly regulated like in UK and Australia,
they can't steal.But see-all the other world is theirs-for stealing.

Thanks God,my country will accept a licensing law and Betfair will stop stealing from my country.

you tried to cheat them and now you're howling because you got caught

[yokspot]

Did you read their terms and conditions before trying to scam them?

You are f***ing unreal.

"Bonus abuse" is not scamming. "Bonus abuse" is fully abiding by the terms and walking into a disreputable casino that doesn't care to pay. "Bonus abuse" would NEVER, EVER hold up as justification in any reputable, or for that matter, disreputable jurisdiction.

Betfair already tried to pull "bonus abuse" on the Happy Hour players, and at least one, who took them to court, received a settlement, which demonstrates the kind of bullshit piss take that the casinos themselves know what the "bonus abuse" allegation is.

Seriously Hareeba, you are a total moron Betfair apologist.

[yokspot]

Thanks God,my country will accept a licensing law and Betfair will stop stealing from my country.

File a complaint with Gibraltar, or have Justin take a look. He's got a pretty big dossier on Betfair crookery these days.

[Hareeba!]

You are f***ing unreal.

"Bonus abuse" is not scamming. "Bonus abuse" is fully abiding by the terms and walking into a disreputable casino that doesn't care to pay. "Bonus abuse" would NEVER, EVER hold up as justification in any reputable, or for that matter, disreputable jurisdiction.

Betfair already tried to pull "bonus abuse" on the Happy Hour players, and at least one, who took them to court, received a settlement, which demonstrates the kind of bullshit piss take that the casinos themselves know what the "bonus abuse" allegation is.

Seriously Hareeba, you are a total moron Betfair apologist.

He tried to cheat them and came unstuck.

I've been playing at Betfair for over 10 years (as have a few friends) and never had them do anything wrong at all (other than introduce that obscene premium charge) so until that changes or I see compelling evidence to the contrary I shall continue to believe that they are not cheats.

Every complaint I've ever seen posted about them has been in relation to someone trying something on to take an unintended advantage; doing something quite out of the ordinary; or failing to comply with their terms and conditions.

[tommygun]

Betfair has always paid me on time, everytime. Never had a problem with them. You must have been doing something wrong for them to close your account buddy.

Hareeba! Smarkets do offer horse racing, UK only at this stage.
But you are right they aren't on the same planet as betfair at this stage, a lot of tennis matches with no odds put up, same with some soccer matches, gets kinda annoying...

[Hareeba!]

Betfair has always paid me on time, everytime. Never had a problem with them. You must have been doing something wrong for them to close your account buddy.

Hareeba! Smarkets do offer horse racing, UK only at this stage.
But you are right they aren't on the same planet as betfair at this stage, a lot of tennis matches with no odds put up, same with some soccer matches, gets kinda annoying...

Yes sorry, I should have said Aus racing. I rarely bet horses overseas. Do they offer Betfair (or Smarkets) SP?

Only sports listed are Football (soccer) but only three leagues, Golf but no markets! Tennis .. but no liquidity and Rugby - looks like England only.

A very very long way to go to make them a more viable option than Betfair as the OP suggested.

[Monte]

Hareeba turned from an annoyance into a fking A$$hole, unreal..
how do you know after 1 post he tried to SCAM them, you idiot?
Just cos it's Betfair, and you are prolly a paid poster. FU already and get lost.

[Justin7]

Betfair has a long history of mugging player accounts. It is getting worse. It is difficult to tell which (if any) of the many complaints against them are justified, because they don't share information. Those disputes I have gone into depth though suggest that players are getting screwed by Betfair.

I hope you file a complaint. I don't know if we will be able to help you, but we can at least document what they are doing.

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba turned from an annoyance into a fking A$$hole, unreal..
how do you know after 1 post he tried to SCAM them, you idiot?
Just cos it's Betfair, and you are prolly a paid poster. FU already and get lost.

Perhaps I misread what the OP posted but it seemed to me that he was confessing to bonus abuse.

Thanks for all the insults.
So that's okay is it but my suggesting the OP was scamming isn't?

I can only honestly report my long experience with Betfair and it's all positive.

I suggest that you and several others on here don't or never have used them and know sfa other than complaints posted by those who've infringed on Betfair's terms and conditions.

[Hareeba!]

Betfair has a long history of mugging player accounts. It is getting worse. It is difficult to tell which (if any) of the many complaints against them are justified, because they don't share information. Those disputes I have gone into depth though suggest that players are getting screwed by Betfair.

Over 10 years of betting with them nearly every day and not one cause for complaint from me.

Every single complaint I've seen posted has grave questions about what the posters were up to. As you say Betfair doesn't (primarly because they aren't allowed to) respond to you so you never end up with the full story but that doesn't stop you calling them cheats.

Just play clean, heed their terms and conditions, don't try to take unforseen advantage and you'll never have a problem with them.

[meckis]

Hareeba! did you read sa6o posts at least? From what he did write it seems that betfair did no like that he only was playing risk free games and decided to scam him. If they want these games to be played by users who pay a lot in commisions then they should add this to their t&c.

[Domer]

They should just put in a rule like "don't be a nit or a bitch" and that would cover them for all these time-wasting/money-wasting bonus whoring that people try to do. It's the online equivalent of the degens trolling around casinos trying to get the 5 cent receipt that someone left in a slot machine, they serve no useless purpose to your business other than being a leech and they should be politely shown the door.

In the specific case of Happy Hour, BF put up a friendly and great promotion, and then a certain subset of squirrely customers tries to use it to ram it up Betfair's butt. I understand that they also screwed over customers beyond just denying them bonuses, I see that point clearly and it is obviously wrong, but by the same token, if you don't want the horn, then stay away from the bull. If you value Betfair, there would be no need to try to screw them over like that, and if they valued you as a customer, they wouldn't have kicked you out.

[secretstash]

domer where u been pal?

i havent seen u in pts forum in ages,,, did everyone pay u back or?

-stash

[tommygun]

The people that dislike betfair the most and are quick to abuse it are the people that cannot play there. Funny thing that....

[allin1]

Hareeba are you saying that justin7 is wrong by stating that "bf has a long history of mugging player accounts" ?

It is just a simple question. I am curious of your oppinion on justin's comment.

[Ruifgalmeida]

I do like betfair and am a regular custumer , but the storys are getting constant

[allin1]

I do like betfair and am a regular custumer , but the storys are getting constant

Exactly. I like bf but I am starting not to feal 100% safe anymore

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba are you saying that justin7 is wrong by stating that "bf has a long history of mugging player accounts" ?

It is just a simple question. I am curious of your oppinion on justin's comment.

Yes I am.

I believe that he has investigated a number of complaints but I've not been at all convinced that any of them justify what he has said.

Betfair is bound by strict codes of privacy and other legal impediments to them complying with SBR inquiries so I don't believe he really is able to get to the core of most complaints.

Betfair is an obvious large target for fraudsters and no doubt attracts more than any other online betting agency. That they would feature prominently in number of complaints shouldn't surprise anyone. It's simply a matter of numbers.

Furthermore I think many of them are related to Betfair's casino.

I am not a fool gambler who plays at online casinos, not even Betfair's so I have no experience with it and am not in any position to comment on it. However I would be surprised and more than a little disappointed if the ethics of that business are as bad as being made out. It would be a real shame that it be allowed to tarnish Betfair's reputation.

This forum is titled "SPORTSBOOKS and Industry".

To me casinos are a quite separate thing.

So for a thread to be headed "Betfair don't pay" is grossly misleading at the very least.

As confirmed by Tommygun in this thread Betfair DO PAY. And fast every time.

And as others have said, many of the negative posts are being made by people who are unable to play there and have no or very little real experience of Betfair. Of those who do have experience most seem to be complaining about the premium charge. And on that score I do agree with them except that many clearly don't understand its operation and really have no need to be in fear of it.

[allin1]

Thanks for the elaborate reply Hareeba! I really appreciate it.

[Mexes]

betfair just closed all nba markets... that's just unbelievable

[tommygun]

betfair just closed all nba markets... that's just unbelievable

NBA markets up and working fine for me.

[tommygun]

I think the bashing of Betfair comes from the people that are too inept to understand the back/lay feature of an exchange, and realise the advantages they are missing out on.

[Mexes]

NBA markets up and working fine for me.

yes
but for about 10 minutes all markets were closed

[sa6o]

As confirmed by Tommygun in this thread Betfair DO PAY. And fast every time.

yes,but not everyone is getting paid.
they made a theft in my case.
This is not a behaviour of a big company.

[Hareeba!]

yes,but not everyone is getting paid.
they made a theft in my case.
This is not a behaviour of a big company.

As I said before.
Betfair is primarily a betting exchange.
It seems you were playing at their casino and attempting to take advantage of something contrary to their rules?
I never play at online casinos so have no knowledge of how Betfair operates in that sphere.
All my long experience with them has been with the betting exchange. And I have no reason to doubt that that they are 100% legit in the way it they treat players who stick to the rules and don't try to outsmart them.
This is a SPORTSBOOKS forum so to post that Betfair doesn't pay is in my view, based on my extensive experience of them, a gross misrepresentation of the fact.

[allin1]

What about that case with slow-pay of more than 3 mil?

Was it solved?
If it is true it is a little bit strange isn't it?

Thankfully I am betting very small numbers so I can relax

[Domer]

domer where u been pal?

i havent seen u in pts forum in ages,,, did everyone pay u back or?

-stash

doubtful, but I was just mucking around with points for fun anyway so I don't much care.

[Hareeba!]

What about that case with slow-pay of more than 3 mil?

Was it solved?
If it is true it is a little bit strange isn't it?

Thankfully I am betting very small numbers so I can relax

That wasn't a "slow-pay".
Betfair paid out in full to the poster's nominated payee.
Problem appears to be that the payee/agent didn't pass it on in full to the player.
I'm not aware of it having been resolved.

[allin1]

That wasn't a "slow-pay".
Betfair paid out in full to the poster's nominated payee.
Problem appears to be that the payee/agent didn't pass it on in full to the player.
I'm not aware of it having been resolved.

Cool. Thanks for clearing that up.

[yokspot]

Cool. Thanks for clearing that up.

Beyond Betfair's word, there is no evidence for this. The processor paid $400,000. We can corroborate that Betfair paid this much to them and no more, making for a cheap 11% settlement for Betfair on the $3,500,000.