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dark star · 10-07-10, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by socalaaron

So what C/D books do you recommend?

Yeah lets here it

acarmelo1 · 10-07-10, 09:10 PM

Moonbeam recommends: Bet911, BetUS

yisman · 10-07-10, 09:14 PM

The C and D books are C and D for a reason.

There are reasons to question some of the A and B books here, but if you're recommending C and D books, well, that's just not on.

For example, BetUs and sportsbook.com earned their low ratings. SBR isn't sandbagging them because someone paid them to rank those two books low.

durito · 10-07-10, 09:32 PM

You have more problems with books than shantystar.

Tony Cash · 10-08-10, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by yisman

The C and D books are C and D for a reason.
For example, BetUs and sportsbook.com earned their low ratings. SBR isn't sandbagging them because someone paid them to rank those two books low.

No they are not.

There is no reason for 10Bet to be rated C. It is in same basket as crooks called Bwin and it is not real.

Or Sportingbet rated D+. It far better than Bwin scam and rated lower.

I agree with moonbeam on this one. (not that A books are scam, but that good books are low rated)

iceminers26 · 10-08-10, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by moonbeam

the biggest scam books rated A here at SBR while good books are C or D rated. SBR is only an advertising company

If you think SBR's ratings are bad and based strictly on advertising dollars, I would hate to see your reaction to Covers' list. I feel SBR's ratings are far more realistic than many of the other forum grades.

mminkovski · 10-08-10, 12:49 AM

SBR rating is best for American bookies. They are in close contact with them and is really helpful. However, EU and Asian bookies don't care much about SBR, therefore their rating is in the C a D range.

jackpot269 · 10-08-10, 12:52 AM

I have no problem with any of them so far, I still do most of my football local the rest is the books that are here, but when i can get my deposits in, it usally doesn't take me long to lose it so no problem until i scrape up another buck or 3 to deposit !!!!!!!!!!!

zebras99 · 10-08-10, 01:52 AM

Well I must agree to some extent with this statement.

I use Triobet ( Nordicbet is C+), betway D- !!! or bet24 C and I never had any trouble with them. All bets settled correctly, pretty fast cashouts and etc. On the other hand, I'm using some of the A rated bookies as well and I had some minor problems with them. IMO SBR rating is not everything, but it's a good start to get the first impression about the bookie.

Greekbet · 10-08-10, 03:43 AM

Nordicbet,bwin,b365 i.e. are not for C.SBR rates them with this way, just cause they are european.

alka07 · 10-08-10, 04:07 AM

european bookies should be higher yes

shaunovery · 10-08-10, 05:08 AM

I would give oddsmaker a z

Mudcat · 10-08-10, 05:57 AM

I'm sure if SBR implemented monnbeam ratings across the board everything would be all better and there would never be another complaint about ratings

HedgeHog · 10-08-10, 05:59 AM

Some Books that advertise here do get inflated ratings, BetPhoenix (B+) for one. But SBR would not exist w/o advertisers--such is the nature of the beast. Still in all, SBR ratings are very useful.

Dark Horse · 10-08-10, 07:37 AM

SBR ratings are very good.

Three sides: books, SBR, and the betting public.

Much of the negative feedback about books here is by the very people that make it all possible.

wrongturn · 10-08-10, 07:55 AM

Which A books are biggest scams and which C/D books are good? Let's hear it.

nenad · 10-08-10, 08:04 AM

sbr rating is relative at least i agree at 50% of their ratings other is misslend

yisman · 10-08-10, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by iceminers26

If you think SBR's ratings are bad and based strictly on advertising dollars, I would hate to see your reaction to Covers' list. I feel SBR's ratings are far more realistic than many of the other forum grades.

Agreed. Covers or a bunch of other sites, which tout books like BetUS and sportsbook.com because they pay the most in advertising.

I've yet to see another popular site have a halfway decent list of which books are trustworthy. SBR is the best I've seen.

leon · 10-08-10, 08:18 AM

sportingbet.com is rated ..D!!!!Noway...

Monte · 10-08-10, 08:27 AM

They have been better in the early days.
Sure, they have the big books like Pinny, Greek, BM + their sisters etc right at A+ but that is something you would expect from every site...there are a lot of ratings i do not trust at all.
Examples...BetPhoenix, BetOnline, 5Dimes...those are either books that hate winning players or have shady ppl running them, and shouldn't even be close to the rating of a book like theGreek.
And please don't give me the recreational bullshit, as if "professional" books would be any worse for those.

SBR also downgraded some books way too late when complaints came in over months, like JAZZ who dicked around Neteller customers for example and still stayed at a solid B+. A simple visit of their live chat gave me the sure feeling that this outfit is run by careless ppl, their answers have been hilarious in a way that it did jump right to your face that they don't give a ratsass about anything.

Also, many european books like WH dick around winning players, Bet365 did it for a long time and stayed at A.
Just because they have deep pockets they shouldn't be A, if a book only wants loosers how can you recommend them?

SRBI · 10-08-10, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by moonbeam

the biggest scam books rated A here at SBR while good books are C or D rated.

SBR is only an advertising company

No shit sherlock - and they make money when we lose money

Dark Horse · 10-08-10, 08:35 AM

That is probably more accurate. If you signed up through an SBR link, SBR gets a cut of your losses. That can add up. That's also why I'm disappointed that they're now pushing poker to lure in people that would otherwise never play poker. Satan's Bountiful Rake. There is no question that this is a very different SBR than in the old days, but the ratings for high rated books may be more secure than then; they learned their lesson with Cascade and the high rating mainly reflects financial security/stability. Do I like the new and improved, increasingly greedy SBR better than the rock solid old watchdog organization? No. But I can appreciate the angle. Same idea as Levi Strauss during the gold rush. Provide tools to the hordes of hopefuls. (I just think they cross the line when they start to add shiny pieces over in them hills).

yisman · 10-08-10, 08:35 AM

Sure, they have the big books like Pinny, Greek, BM + their sisters etc right at A+ but that is something you would expect from every site.

Maybe you'd expect it from every site, but you wouldn't get it. Check out Covers, DonBest, and many more.

yisman · 10-08-10, 08:36 AM

All this discussion over a span of 12 hours, and moonbeam has yet to even say what he's so upset about.

He evidently has some kind of beef with SBR, but he won't expound on it.

magynuck · 10-08-10, 08:45 AM

not perfect but definitely the best out there

SRBI · 10-08-10, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

That is probably more accurate. If you signed up through an SBR link, SBR gets a cut of your losses. That can add up. That's also why I'm disappointed that they're now pushing poker to lure in people that would otherwise never play poker. Satan's Bountiful Rake. There is no question that this is a very different SBR than in the old days, but the ratings for high rated books may be more secure than then; they learned their lesson with Cascade and the high rating mainly reflects financial security/stability. Do I like the new and improved, increasingly greedy SBR better than the rock solid old watchdog organization? No. But I can appreciate the angle. Same idea as Levi Strauss during the gold rush. Provide tools to the hordes of hopefuls. (I just think they cross the line when they start to add shiny pieces over in them hills).

Amen sir. Amen. End of discussion. You nailed it right on the head...

mrmarket · 10-08-10, 08:55 AM

It's impossible to remain impartial when all of their revenue stems from the very books they rate. It is better than no rating however so the condemnation is unwarranted. Of course they could be more upfront about the business practice but it would be bad for marketing. Ethics do not exist in the SB world it seems.

lukahh · 10-08-10, 09:30 AM

i thinks SBR ratings are useful, while appreciating the advertizing bias.
i used the following low-rated books (some i still use as i am not yet limited): sportingbet, bwin, bet365, bet24, nordicbet...
i'd be much more comfortable holding significant balance there than, say, on betphoenix.

but in general, ratings are good guide. thanks sbr for keeping them.

DwightShrute · 10-08-10, 11:10 AM

I have been working in the online sportsbook industry for 8 years and I hear shit. While I don't believe half the stuff guys bitch and complain about, where there's smoke there's usually fire. I would definitely say that SBR has it right when you look at the ratings.

Personally, with all the choices out there, why anyone would send $$ to a D or C book is beyond me. I know why some do and that's because they are scammers, are blacklisted from so many books and only sub par ones will take their business anymore.

Santo · 10-08-10, 12:18 PM

As we see regularly with the poster poll, everyone will have their own rankings at both extremes. SBR need a revenue model and that's fair enough; but if the rankings weren't reasonably reliable then they would lose the trust of punters (and thus their revenue).

samdapatriotsfan · 10-08-10, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by magynuck

not perfect but definitely the best out there

This is what I have found to be the case as well.

mikebell32 · 10-08-10, 02:42 PM

Wow alot of crap about ratings here, unreal ! In the entertainment biz you pay for ratings and you pay to get things done like in the sportsbook industry so why should people get all crazy about how the sbr rates the books that pay for advertising ? One of the books i play at the sbr does not even rate them the other 2 one is rated good one is rated bad so go figure ... If you are playing at a book and you are happy you will say " what a great book they should be an a " if you are not happy you will say " that book sucks " so listen up .......remember you cant believe everthing you read so do some work before you make your deposit and stop all your crying !!!!

gangeriver · 10-08-10, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Tony Cash

No they are not.

There is no reason for 10Bet to be rated C. It is in same basket as crooks called Bwin and it is not real.

Or Sportingbet rated D+. It far better than Bwin scam and rated lower.

I agree with moonbeam on this one. (not that A books are scam, but that good books are low rated)

I agree completely. Bwin is a trouble book which is disgrace of the europan sportsbook industry.all of Europe know this which is still C-. meanwhile good books betway "-d" and bet10 "C" incridible! SBR doesn't update Betway's raiting for over 2,5 years.
Well, are off-shore books raitings fair? I'm not sure! Betsportweb doesn't pay for over 3 months which is a non-licensed book.Site is closed neverthless it's raiting still D-
Betsportsweb's raiting was "C-" last year.Can you belive this? a non-licensed and non legit book has C- raiting. At least europan books have a license. If it's raiting was F , I wouldn't trust it.

Monte · 10-08-10, 05:15 PM

I guess some of you ppl forget that there was a time with SBR before this forum was opened.
I loved SBR at this time, and i can say for sure it got a bit less good over the years.
Now i wouldn't miss 'em a lot, sadly, still a very good site thou. But not as crucial as it used to be.

durito · 10-08-10, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by gangeriver

I agree completely. Bwin is a trouble book which is disgrace of the europan sportsbook industry.all of Europe know this which is still C-. meanwhile good books betway "-d" and bet10 "C" incridible! SBR doesn't update Betway's raiting for over 2,5 years.
Well, are off-shore books raitings fair? I'm not sure! Betsportweb doesn't pay for over 3 months which is a non-licensed book.Site is closed neverthless it's raiting still D-
Betsportsweb's raiting was "C-" last year.Can you belive this? a non-licensed and non legit book has C- raiting. At least europan books have a license. If it's raiting was F , I wouldn't trust it.

betway steals players funds. license?