18th Hole Copies ALL of Pinnacles Lines

**playz** · 10-17-13, 01:02 PM

No way they are ALL the same. Ive seen some way off lines Especially for MLB. I don't think bobbywaves is a shill. I lf you look at his past posts you can actually see that he bashed the place at first and then after he tried them he's been promoting them.

I tried them out because of their perks. I got same day payout. They promised me the world. Basically extremely high limits and a crazy bonus for a 1000 deposit which I passed on. I deposited lower. There are obvious red flags from this place but some people may see the risk reward and play there. There withdraw limits seem to be limited to 950 a week which is an issue but if you keep balances low like I said people may see a benefit.

I am not endorsing them. I am just giving you my experience.

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 10-17-13, 01:55 PM

There was another book in the past that copied pinny lines with same juice - was it "Heroes"? Never a good idea, because you can't control your exposure (as canbet found when they used to copy sbobet's lines).

Anyway, Heroes went bust, predictably enough.

**johnpendred** · 10-17-13, 01:56 PM

1) myself, bobby, stevex, and playz have all played there and gotten paid quickly.

2) you claim same lines as pinny….
a) is that bad? i will take reduced juice with high limits all day, everyday
b) that is impossible and here is why
-18th has ML and spread on all international hoops and hockey, pinny does not
-all international sports are 10 cent juice, pinny is cheaper
-pinny obviously does not have HS football for US

3) over half of your posts are bashing a book that you have never played at but most seem to like whether for arbing, perks, or whatever. there is something you are not saying. whether you work for another book, the owner slept with your wife (kidding obviously), but something is there. i have never once bashed a book i have never played at and do not see many other posters do it, so something is up. you say you wanna prevent people from scams etc but i see them rated the 2nd best sportsbook at another watchdog or sports site and not one complaint of a slow pay.

4) i swear some may think you are a shill as you come in say something bad about them and a few come to defend which helps them. so you sure you are not a reverse shill and offering alley-oops for bobby and myself??

bottom line.. 18th is solid for a variety of reasons. options, quick payouts, arbing, customer service, etc. if you need a referral just message rangers

**johnpendred** · 10-17-13, 01:57 PM

omg heehaw my cousin and I were just talking about heroes and no one else remembered them lol

**NunyaBidness** · 10-17-13, 02:05 PM

How does one signup at this book?

**bobbywaves** · 10-17-13, 02:08 PM

My only affiliation is that I'm a happy customer, making a killing using this book. Like playz said, if you took the time to read prior threads, you would know I was skeptical & non interested. What changed my mind is the risk/reward factor, which Rangers is obviously clueless about the concept. I'm averaging 2/k week for the 2.5 months I've been there. I don't feel they will stiff me, as I've been paid same day twice & have a good relationship with my agent. However if they were to stiff one day, I would still be up tens of thousands. What bothers me is people like Rangers who has a lot to say, yet has never played at 18th. Get a clue Rangers, or stfu.

**pjesnik24** · 10-17-13, 02:10 PM

yeah rangers, stop warning people about this great bookie which will disappear within 6 months with everybody's money

**bobbywaves** · 10-17-13, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

How does one signup at this book?

Invite from 18th, or referral.

**johnpendred** · 10-17-13, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by HeeeHAWWWW

There was another book in the past that copied pinny lines with same juice - was it "Heroes"? Never a good idea, because you can't control your exposure (as canbet found when they used to copy sbobet's lines).

Anyway, Heroes went bust, predictably enough.

hey heewaw, remember 5cardcharlie sportsbook?

**Hareeba!** · 10-17-13, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Rangers901

...Now, 18th comes out of nowhere, claims to be around for so long, claims to be a big player in the UK, Australia, and Japan, when I can almost guarantee that no one from those countries have ever played there......

Well I can assure you that the only place I've ever heard of this book is in this forum. If they were indeed a "big player" in Australia I'd most certainly have heard about it elsewhere.

I can't even find a way to look at their odds. All I get is a "Home" page with no working links. Eventually I pressed something which came up with:

"If you are seeing this message, the website for 18thholesportsbook.net is not available at this time."

**Rangers901** · 10-17-13, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by playz

No way they are ALL the same. Ive seen some way off lines Especially for MLB. I don't think bobbywaves is a shill. I lf you look at his past posts you can actually see that he bashed the place at first and then after he tried them he's been promoting them.

I tried them out because of their perks. I got same day payout. They promised me the world. Basically extremely high limits and a crazy bonus for a 1000 deposit which I passed on. I deposited lower. There are obvious red flags from this place but some people may see the risk reward and play there. There withdraw limits seem to be limited to 950 a week which is an issue but if you keep balances low like I said people may see a benefit.

I am not endorsing them. I am just giving you my experience.

Go look at all major American sports. I went through NFL, NCAAF, and MLB and every line is the EXACT same down to the cent. Please, check for yourselves.

**bobbywaves** · 10-17-13, 03:34 PM

Same openers as Pinnacle? Yes, which is a good thing. Same closers as Pinny? Obviously not. Appears to me, Pinny closed with the Red Sox at +102 last night. So how did I get Red Sox +126 last night at 18th, when Pinny had +102? Unlike you, Waves backs up everything he says:

**bobbywaves** · 10-17-13, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by johnpendred

i see them rated the 2nd best sportsbook at another watchdog or sports site and not one complaint of a slow pay.

Well deserved & easy to believe, which website is this Johnny?

**Rangers901** · 10-17-13, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by bobbywaves

Same openers as Pinnacle? Yes, which is a good thing. Same closers as Pinny? Obviously not. Appears to me, Pinny closed with the Red Sox at +102 last night. So how did I get Red Sox +126 last night at 18th, when Pinny had +102? Unlike you, Waves backs up everything he says:

[ATTACH]61106[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH]61108[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH]61110[/ATTACH]

Again, you're a liar man. I JUST witnessed Pinny switch their line by 1 cent, and 18th follows suit 2 minutes later.

**Rangers901** · 10-17-13, 06:15 PM

**Rangers901** · 10-17-13, 06:18 PM

I really suck with the whole picture thing, can't get it to show a good size photo. Bottom line, every single line is the exact same, ML, Total, RL down to the exact cent. For NFL and NCAAF, every ML, Total, and Spread, once again, is the exact same down to the cent. Pinny will move a line, and 18th follows suit a couple minutes later.

**johnpendred** · 10-17-13, 06:24 PM

I see different lines for the ncaa game and mlb game. are you okay rangers?

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 10-17-13, 06:26 PM

Select window, alt-printscreen, open mspaint, paste, save, upload to imgur.

**Rangers901** · 10-17-13, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by johnpendred

I see different lines for the ncaa game and mlb game. are you okay rangers?

Hey shill, you're an idiot. You're right, 30 minutes or so before the game 18th can't keep up with the line moves. Look at Saturday's NCAAF games, every single line is the exact same down to the cent.

**Rangers901** · 10-17-13, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by HeeeHAWWWW

Select window, alt-printscreen, open mspaint, paste, save, upload to imgur.

I am doing that, but for some reason it is showing up on SBR really small, too small to even see.

**johnpendred** · 10-17-13, 07:00 PM

LOL

**Rangers901** · 10-17-13, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by johnpendred

LOL

No response this time? Just a LOL?

Would that be because what I said is true?

**johnpendred** · 10-17-13, 07:11 PM

LOL cant move fast enough. MLB pinnys line hasn't moved in the last 13 mins. 18th has 4 times now in the same time frame. that is why you got a LOL. just not making sense, sorry

**Rangers901** · 10-17-13, 07:16 PM

Enough of MLB. Look at the other game, every line the same. It's too hard to keep up with the line moves close to game time. Up until and hour to 30 minutes before, their lines will be the exact same.

You still have yet to point out one single NFL or NCAAF line from this weekend that is even 1 cent different.

**johnpendred** · 10-17-13, 07:26 PM

never noticed. you are 100% right. guess if u wanna arb gotta wait til gameday. I never even look at lines til gameday. I am kinda confused tho. is there something wrong with shadowing other books until gameday?

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 10-17-13, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by johnpendred

never noticed. you are 100% right. guess if u wanna arb gotta wait til gameday. I never even look at lines til gameday. I am kinda confused tho. is there something wrong with shadowing other books until gameday?

At low juice its a little dangerous. A few books have done this in the past, it always ends badly.

**johnpendred** · 10-17-13, 07:35 PM

obviously low juice is in our favor, but im guessing they make up for it with the higher juice on all the bs they offer. rangers is making it out to be a bad thing? is it bad?

**Rangers901** · 10-17-13, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by johnpendred

obviously low juice is in our favor, but im guessing they make up for it with the higher juice on all the bs they offer. rangers is making it out to be a bad thing? is it bad?

It's completely disastrous.

Heeehaw says it's a little dangerous, I say it's absolutely doomed for failure 100%.

Pinnacle has admitted in the past they can't possibly offer bonuses because the business model of offering low juice, high limits, cheap payouts as well as big bonuses is impossible. Bobbywaves claims 18th to be for "professionals", yet Pinnacle has stated numerous times that a professional book couldn't possibly survive off that business model.

Why do you think Pinnacle never offers any type of bonus?

**johnpendred** · 10-17-13, 07:51 PM

ok okay. this is just you and your theories. thinking there was something seriously wrong. aslong as they keep paying me i don't care if they kind the lines from the homeless guy downtown.

**bobbywaves** · 10-17-13, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Rangers901

Again, you're a liar man. I JUST witnessed Pinny switch their line by 1 cent, and 18th follows suit 2 minutes later.

So what's your point & what did I lie about? We know 18th has the same openers as Pinnacle. Nobody disputes that, just another perk that Americans can get Pinny lines. Funny how you don't address the fact that closing #'s are different. I've posted several arbs on this thread & several others, which prove this fact chump.

**bobbywaves** · 10-17-13, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by Rangers901

It's completely disastrous.

Heeehaw says it's a little dangerous, I say it's absolutely doomed for failure 100%.

Pinnacle has admitted in the past they can't possibly offer bonuses because the business model of offering low juice, high limits, cheap payouts as well as big bonuses is impossible. Bobbywaves claims 18th to be for "professionals", yet Pinnacle has stated numerous times that a professional book couldn't possibly survive off that business model.

Why do you think Pinnacle never offers any type of bonus?

What you fail to comprehend is I could care less if they fail tomorrow. I've made 20k in 2.5 months using them, & will continue to do so. My two payout requests were paid same day, no problems. Not concerned much about payouts. I try to lose at this book & win at my other outs, & have been quite successful. So IF & when this party's over, I'll simply crash the next party after 18th hole & BetIslands.

**bobbywaves** · 10-17-13, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by johnpendred

i see them rated the 2nd best sportsbook at another watchdog or sports site and not one complaint of a slow pay.

Please disclose the name of this website, why the secret?

**johnpendred** · 10-17-13, 08:49 PM

don't want sbr bitching cause i posted a competitor of theirs again. shot u pm on covers

**Hareeba!** · 10-17-13, 08:54 PM

So how are you guys even seeing odds at 18thHole?

I can't get anywhere on that site away from the Home page