RAS

[scooter23]

Not to mention that if you need to bet with a local...you have ZERO chance of winning as the line will be miles from where it started. He's got a nice gimmick going, no question...but he can cap too. Just no where near as good as people think.

He moves lines on reputation now. Books know the lemming will bet his plays blind so as soon as he releases, the lines move a few. 100% of all reputable books subscribe to his service to get the info the same time the player does.

Too bad, because 5 years ago, before the "invincible" reputation was attached, you could make some money with him.

[scooter23]

Lastly, have to figure in the crazy amount (fee) for the season. In 200 plays, hitting a VERY GOOD 55%, a $200 bettor only nets $800.

That is only 1.76% ROI on your $45k wagered. Yikes

[Watergate]

Did he really go 0-10 yesterday?

[oneguy]

The only thing that RAS is good at is NCAABB. Actually, they are one of the best at it. NCAAF, nah .... maybe so so

[heleanth]

Even in college basketball, unless you can get the posted line, which 98% will not be able to do, you are not going to make money with RAS.

[Shanefalco13]

Did he really go 0-10 yesterday?

He went 2-10 overall on plays posted before the day.

Apparently he did well on some second half plays that day, but who knows who got those in.

[hallandale]

Gave out 17 side plays there was a 49 point difference on his lines to closing lines. Way to many points to give a way ?

[cane]

Hey Rookie, I know you can't post the plays, but I think there were four releases today. Can you confirm the number of plays? Thanks.

[Jammer14]

Lastly, have to figure in the crazy amount (fee) for the season. In 200 plays, hitting a VERY GOOD 55%, a $200 bettor only nets $800.

That is only 1.76% ROI on your $45k wagered. Yikes

Yeah- but he's not hitting 55%, he's hitting close to 60% over the last 5 years.

[heleanth]

Yeah- but he's not hitting 55%, he's hitting close to 60% over the last 5 years.

That's using his lines. against the closing line, which is more representative for the average bettor, especially those of us that are looking to pick up the plays for free, he is not even close to that.. Closer to 50%

[Renegades]

No service is worth the money unless you are playing a minimum of $500 per play. A is probably more realistic of what you need to play.

[Renegades]

53-54% at a per game minus the fee and you will still do ok

[cane]

That's using his lines. against the closing line, which is more representative for the average bettor, especially those of us that are looking to pick up the plays for free, he is not even close to that.. Closer to 50%

This is wrong. Since 2009 RAS is 185-126 59.48%. Using the closing line RAS is 175-135 56.45%, so even betting their games against the worse of the line still turns a profit.

[alamo]

He went 2-10 overall on plays posted before the day.

Apparently he did well on some second half plays that day, but who knows who got those in.

A devastating day to follow RAS. May not recover from a day like that. Already in the hole deep with his posters. My advice is to fade his plays (see an earlier post) and you will have a lot of success. The show is over for RAS. He is no longer the great secret successful tout. Books over correcting when he releases the line and this gives faders like myself (Their are even rumours that he may be posting, with the view to then come back and bet the other side with chance of middling).

[cane]

A devastating day to follow RAS. May not recover from a day like that. Already in the hole deep with his posters. My advice is to fade his plays (see an earlier post) and you will have a lot of success. The show is over for RAS. He is no longer the great secret successful tout. Books over correcting when he releases the line and this gives faders like myself (Their are even rumours that he may be posting, with the view to then come back and bet the other side with chance of middling).

RAS is 16-18 on the season. I wouldn't call that "in the hole deep", but if you want to keep fading a proven long time winner, go ahead it's your money. I've made money with RAS the last few years and I have no reason to think this year will be any different.

[Ol-G-Parker]

RAS is 16-18 on the season. I wouldn't call that "in the hole deep", but if you want to keep fading a proven long time winner, go ahead it's your money. I've made money with RAS the last few years and I have no reason to think this year will be any different.

Small sample cane so I see your point but the market always changing and getting tighter even RAS admit that and even says his edge is getting smaller and that one day he wont have any edge at all. After two full years in college football with just +6 units in profit and a slow start early this year when market is weakest is that time now where his edge is all gone? That +6 units is his release lines to granted some guys do get lines close but there isnt one guy even a member who can say he gets RAS exact line for every game all year. Factor in football costs and nobody is ahead after 2 years and 2 weeks of RAS football service and that is fact. It also look like he was in need of money with all these other packages this year and extending service and offering a cheap package for some and an fcs package. I think that was really lame and maybe shows he needs to make more of his money selling now then betting.

[downsouth]

A devastating day to follow RAS. May not recover from a day like that. Already in the hole deep with his posters. My advice is to fade his plays (see an earlier post) and you will have a lot of success. The show is over for RAS. He is no longer the great secret successful tout. Books over correcting when he releases the line and this gives faders like myself (Their are even rumours that he may be posting, with the view to then come back and bet the other side with chance of middling).

IF you feel he no longer has any advantage or value to play then fine but suggesting a fade of someone who has done as well as him in previous years is either the same annual troll job a guy or two plays or your drawing dead and really should quit now. That has to be one of the stupidest things to suggest and I really hope most are past the stage one phase where they would actually thing that this has any merit.

[cane]

Small sample cane so I see your point but the market always changing and getting tighter even RAS admit that and even says his edge is getting smaller and that one day he wont have any edge at all. After two full years in college football with just +6 units in profit and a slow start early this year when market is weakest is that time now where his edge is all gone? That +6 units is his release lines to granted some guys do get lines close but there isnt one guy even a member who can say he gets RAS exact line for every game all year. Factor in football costs and nobody is ahead after 2 years and 2 weeks of RAS football service and that is fact. It also look like he was in need of money with all these other packages this year and extending service and offering a cheap package for some and an fcs package. I think that was really lame and maybe shows he needs to make more of his money selling now then betting.

I think this is a fair and un-biased opinion on RAS. You might be right about the market catching up to him, in 2009 they won 67.8%, 2010 59.3%, 2011 64.0%, 2012 52.9% and 2013 55.0%. If you include this year, they are 102-91 in their last 193 plays which is 52.8%. At this rate it's obvious to see his edge fading, but let's see how things end up this year before we can definitively make that statement.

[moocow411]

He's done folks.

[heleanth]

This is wrong. Since 2009 RAS is 185-126 59.48%. Using the closing line RAS is 175-135 56.45%, so even betting their games against the worse of the line still turns a profit.

Are you saying he only plays about 60 games a season?

[cane]

Are you saying he only plays about 60 games a season?

Those numbers are what RAS posted on his forum, scroll down to post #9http://www.bettingtalk.com/forum/showthread.php/176936-RAS-Survey?p=849181&viewfull=1#post849181

[cane]

Are you saying he only plays about 60 games a season?

http://www.bettingtalk.com/forum/sho...936-RAS-Survey go to post 9

[MoneylineExpress]

My god he is going into the shitter quickly. Reminds me a lot of Dr. Bob. Get popular and grab the sportsbooks attention, and they eventually weed out the handicapping method used and the value turns into ashes.

[COLLEGEBALLGURU]

Ouch
Toutin ain't easy

[megamillionslose]

Ed's CFB mediocrity continues!

Could this be the third straight mediocre CFB season for RAS?20-26(his lines)excluding the 3-0 on second half plays with essentially five weeks left in his CFB season.Those paying for Ed's extra CFB games are going to get his old college try at tighter lines beyond those eight weeks but how many clients will faithfully continue beating their head against the brick wall?