Live thread: Trump vs biden

[Thor4140]

^ Biden also caused all our open border problems that we face today. Completely self inflicted!

Biden was on a mission to reverse all Trump border policies that were actually working. Like stay in Mexico policy for starters. Biden put a FULL STOP on border wall construction.

Now we got fenty drugs, cartel crap, human trafficking and millions more of illegals pouring in whom we don't know who they are. Surely some terrorists slipping through.

Ahh the make believe biden Border crisis LMFAO. Just like the fake caravan that disappeared after election day.

[Thor4140]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/wtpBLUE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw ">#wtpBLUE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DemVoice1?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Et fw">#DemVoice1</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Fresh?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"> #Fresh</a> <br><br>TODAY IN HISTORY <br><br>Manhattan grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump on felony charges. <a href="https://t.co/TW7jPpN38S">pic.twitter.com/TW7jPpN38S</a></p>&mdash; LongTime��FirstTime��*�� (@LongTimeHistory) <a href="https://twitter.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1641562827411410945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 30, 2023</a></blockquote><script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[jackpot269]

WTF are you talking about?

A virus that came from China isn't Trump's fault so why pretend it is?

In the same post where you mention Covid, you then magically quote some crazy unemployment number but you weren't able to make a the connection with a world wide pandemic?

Put down the pipe Hunter.

Yes sir, I made the connection.
You must not have read what I was responding too. Thanks for the name calling and drug reference.

If your going to blame a POTUS for everything during their term then don't be biased treat them all the same, I have no problem with POTUS always being responsible for the country. or you can dig at all the facts because its almost never as simple as some would have you believe.
So we were going with the POTUS is responsible for the country.

Its hard to jump in the middle and make sense sometimes.

[homie1975]

ever since the Dobbs overturn of Roe v Wade, The GOP is done.

the Midterms proved it.

America is done with Donnie, and the DA in NY, GA, WASH DC all know it so now they moved.

it is about political inertia, political winds.

Donnie is done know.

the next 3 indictments will come (2 in GA and 1 for Jan 6th) and will be the final KO

DeSanctimonious is the much better candidate by a mile and he will rise up now and take the party over by the debates in August.

[Emily_Haines]

ever since the Dobbs overturn of Roe v Wade, The GOP is done.

the Midterms proved it.

America is done with Donnie, and the DA in NY, GA, WASH DC all know it so now they moved.

it is about political inertia, political winds.

Donnie is done know.

the next 3 indictments will come (2 in GA and 1 for Jan 6th) and will be the final KO

DeSanctimonious is the much better candidate by a mile and he will rise up now and take the party over by the debates in August.

It's almost like you think we didn't win the house back in the mid terms

[DwightShrute]

ever since the Dobbs overturn of Roe v Wade, The GOP is done.

the Midterms proved it.

America is done with Donnie, and the DA in NY, GA, WASH DC all know it so now they moved.

it is about political inertia, political winds.

Donnie is done know.

the next 3 indictments will come (2 in GA and 1 for Jan 6th) and will be the final KO

DeSanctimonious is the much better candidate by a mile and he will rise up now and take the party over by the debates in August.

they can indict as many times as they want and just like those two sham impeachments, Trump will be acquitted every single time and for the same reason. You must have broken a law to be convicted of a a wrong doing.

This NY indictment is nonsense. The GA ones are as well as he didn't nothing wrong by asking to look for more votes. Jan 6th there was no insurrection and telling people to peacefully march isn't inciting violence. Its the opposite.

They just basically guaranteed a 2nd Trump term. They already stole his second term once. This is just the start of them stealing it again. They are just getting warmed up. It will backfire spectacularly.

Whether you like Trump or not, you should be against this kind of political prosecution against the front runner of the opposition. Don't kid yourself, that is exactly what it is.

Oh and the GOP turned the House red in the midterms. So there's that and the voting machines mysteriously broke down in Arizona on election day only in the heavily republican county. Nothing to see there of course. LOL.

Trump will win in 2024 and the GOP will regain the Senate again and increase their House seats.

[JIBBBY]

Ahh the make believe biden Border crisis LMFAO. Just like the fake caravan that disappeared after election day.

Not fake if you lived in Texas near the Southern border.

[homie1975]

It's almost like you think we didn't win the house back in the mid terms

barely. not by a "mandate" type margin.

and not winning the senate? that was unacceptable.

it was the Dobbs decision that messed it up for The GOP.

women, independents, millenials, all Liberal voters now by a longshot.

it's over man.

[homie1975]

DeSantis and Cotton ticket 2024

[OldBill]

What happens now that Trump has been indicted?

Washington — The decision by a New York grand jury to indict former President Donald Trump is a historic one, and kicks off what is expected to be a lengthy legal battle between prosecutors and Trump's attorneys.
The Manhattan District Attorney's Office confirmed the indictment on Thursday and said it was coordinating with Trump's attorneys for his surrender. Details of the charge or charges remain under seal, but the grand jury has been conducting an investigation related to a payment that Trump's lawyer made to adult film star Stormy Daniels before the 2016 presidential election. Daniels in turn agreed to keep silent about an affair she said she had with Trump in 2006.
The former president has denied any involvement with Daniels and called the indictment "Political Persecution and Election Interference at the highest level in history" in a statement on Thursday.
The decision by the grand jury to indict Trump is the culmination of a sprawling investigation into an alleged scheme that first came to light years ago, when Trump was still in the White House. The forthcoming court battle sparked by Trump's indictment is taking place as he ramps up a third bid for the presidency in 2024.
Now that the grand jury has voted to indict Trump, here is what is likely to come next, according to a former prosecutor and the typical process for criminal defendants in New York:
Surrender and processing
In New York, after a grand jury returns an indictment, the charges remain sealed and the indictment is submitted to the court. The district attorney then typically notifies the defendant and arranges for his or her surrender.
District Attorney Alvin Bragg's office confirmed that prosecutors "contacted Mr. Trump's attorney to coordinate his surrender to the Manhattan D.A.'s Office for arraignment on a Supreme Court indictment, which remains under seal. Guidance will be provided when the arraignment date is selected."
Two sources familiar with the matter told CBS News that Trump could be arraigned Tuesday in New York. The plan is for the former president to fly to New York on Monday and be arraigned before Judge Juan Merchan the next day. The proceeding is expected to be brief. The charge or charges in the indictment would be read to him at that time. The sources noted that the planning is fluid and the date could change.
Trump's status as a former president adds an unprecedented dimension to the case and raises more security concerns surrounding his surrender than even the most high-profile defendants, according to Dan Horwitz, a former assistant district attorney in the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. Speaking before the indictment was handed down, Horwitz said it's not unusual in white-collar criminal cases for the defendant to turn him or herself in at the courthouse in lower Manhattan, where the district attorney's office is.



A NYPD K-9 Unit conducts a security sweep outside the Manhattan Criminal Court on March 29, 2023 in New York City. / Credit: ANGELA WEISS/AFP via Getty Images
But concerns from the Secret Service will likely make the process a bit different, Horwitz said. Trump will likely arrive through a nonpublic entrance, where he would then be in police custody, according to Horwitz.
"Once he surrenders, it's going to be a little bit of the same and a little bit different," Horwitz said.
After they surrender, defendants are processed behind closed doors, have their mugshots taken and are fingerprinted before being escorted to a courtroom for arraignment.
Arraignment
"It's a criminal case, and notwithstanding all of the media hype and everything that's being spun, there'll be an orderly process that follows any criminal case," Horwitz said.
The judge presiding over the proceedings will present the charges against the former president, and Trump will enter a plea. The case is not expected not to be one where bail will be set, meaning Trump will likely then be released.
While judges in federal court often set travel restrictions on certain defendants, Horwitz said New York state courts do not.
The judge will then set a schedule for filing standard motions, and the parties will discuss turning over the evidence collected by prosecutors during the investigation, as they are obligated to do.
Pre-trial proceedings
Horwitz said the motions process could take several months, and he pointed to the case involving former Trump Organization chief financial organization Allen Weisselberg as illustrative of what the timeline could look like.
It's likely that Trump's attorneys will move to dismiss the case or file motions relating to other issues tied to the indictment, as well as try to have certain evidence excluded or request a change of venue.
The evidence collected by Bragg's team during the investigation is not public knowledge, and grand jury proceedings are secret. But Trump's GOP allies have suggested Michael Cohen, Trump's former lawyer and "fixer," could be prosecutors' star witness.
Cohen played a central role in arranging the payment to Daniels and testified before the grand jury twice this month. He pleaded guilty to federal charges in 2018, including campaign finance violation related to that payment. Trump has denied any involvement with Daniels.
Horwitz predicted prosecutors will bring a case with a "solid amount of corroboration," rather than relying solely on Cohen.



Media vans outside Manhattan Criminal Court in New York on Wednesday, March 29, 2023. / Credit: Victor J. Blue/Bloomberg via Getty Images
When it comes to the jury pool and efforts to move any eventual trial from Manhattan, the crucial question is not whether prospective jurors know who the defendant is — many high-profile people are routinely prosecuted in federal and state courts in New York City — but whether they can be fair and impartial.
"Picking a jury in any case is a challenge. You want jurors to be fair and impartial. You're looking for people who are going to keep an open mind, [who] might be sympathetic to what your defense is," Horwitz said. "But it's a challenge in a case like this with a high-profile defendant who is somebody who's got means. You might very well hire a jury consultant."
Trump's attorneys could question the impartiality of the juror pool in Manhattan, arguing that because New York is a liberal city, it would be difficult to find jurors who are not politically biased.
"The argument is, are there other areas in New York State that are not as blue? And the answer is, sure," Horwitz said. "I would be shocked if [Trump's team] didn't try to use the change of venue for legal tactical and political reasons."
It's not uncommon for a defendant to ask for a change of venue — movie mogul Harvey Weinstein unsuccessfully tried to move his sexual assault trial out of New York City — but it is rare for a judge to grant the motion.
Trump's legal team could also request a bench trial, which does not involve a jury and is conducted by the judge alone. Unlike in federal court where the prosecution and defense have to consent to a bench trial, only the defense can ask for a judge-only trial in state court.
The decision on whether to seek a bench trial also doesn't have to be made until the day the trial begins, which gives defense lawyers time to see how things play out during pre-trial proceedings.
Bench trials are typically held in cases involving complex legal and factual issues, and in matters where the defense's theory may be more technical.
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Grand jury votes to indict former President Trump in case linked to Stormy Daniels

[manny24]

Yes sir, I made the connection.
You must not have read what I was responding too. Thanks for the name calling and drug reference.

If your going to blame a POTUS for everything during their term then don't be biased treat them all the same, I have no problem with POTUS always being responsible for the country. or you can dig at all the facts because its almost never as simple as some would have you believe.
So we were going with the POTUS is responsible for the country.

Its hard to jump in the middle and make sense sometimes.

it's hard because progressives have a strong aversion to the truth Jacky

facts are their enemy and school shooters are their friend (as long as they are gender benders LGBTQ+1=1)

[Optional]

they can indict as many times as they want and just like those two sham impeachments, Trump will be acquitted every single time and for the same reason. You must have broken a law to be convicted of a a wrong doing.

If you're right and cases get thrown out I think it could make Trump unbeatable.

If there never was a case for him to win, I don't think he has any chance with the smell of the untested allegations hanging around now.

[jt315]

Not fake if you lived in Texas near the Southern border.

He lives in a world of make believe .

There is no border crisis and the economy is thriving .

[rkelly110]

[rkelly110]

[TheMoneyShot]

Kimmel's comedy is so dry and outdated... he has to talk about someone who hasn't been in office in 2.5 years. Pathetic. Bring back Johnny Carson... Even Leno.

[BOA12]

This guy is the Best Of All. Great actor and Social Justice comedian, as Woke as anybody could be.

I still like house arrest for trump as a flight risk & a threat to society for his Federal Indictment or Indictments, can have cross burning chants W/ his rabid base from the W H South to get his message out. Not dead yet, trump/MTG 2024.

[rkelly110]

Kimmel's comedy is so dry and outdated... he has to talk about someone who hasn't been in office in 2.5 years. Pathetic. Bring back Johnny Carson... Even Leno.

But your boy is running again or at least grifting/ acting like he's running. That makes him a target.

[rkelly110]

This guy is the Best Of All. Great actor and Social Justice comedian, as Woke as anybody could be.

I still like house arrest for trump as a flight risk & a threat to society for his Federal Indictment or Indictments, can have cross burning chants W/ his rabid base from the W H South to get his message out. Not dead yet, trump/MTG 2024.

I think the deplorables are done with him. He's a proven loser and has taken the repuke party with him.

[jackpot269]

it's hard because progressives have a strong aversion to the truth Jacky

facts are their enemy and school shooters are their friend (as long as they are gender benders LGBTQ+1=1)

manny I believe both party's have problems with the facts if they don't fit the way they want them too, its not one sided.
Facts are cherry picked to fit a narrative or agenda.

We live in the USA where a person supposed to be able to live their life any way you want, as long as your not breaking the law of the land.
Ole jacky may not agree with your lifestyle and how you choose to live it, it may make me sick and be something I despise but that's your choice not mine.(I like a southern Bell, big and hips or from anywhere else for that matter) Everyone should have a chance at life, liberty and happiness, regardless of what others think of you. Again, in a lawful manner
Expanding on 'law of the land' anyone that hurts a child should be hung from the ankles and die a slow death over a long period of time.

The Hypocrisy of the GOP especially when they claim to be Christian and do not act in that manner turns me against them every time.

The GOP doing all it can for the rich and corporations and throwing a crumb at the working man has been happening my entire life.

When they find 1 example or few of someone beating or using the system and use it against all is a damn shame.

Example: I was in the work force for 35 years never got one unemployment check in my life, thankful I always had plenty of work.
But as soon as one or a few take advantage of a system like unemployment the GOP say its everyone drawing it and try to cut or do away with a program that, the vast majority that use it are deserving and need it. They can play that one sorry person or few to their advantage, go on the news every night and say its a handout for lazy people when the vast majority had much rather be working.

[DwightShrute]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Trial of Donald J. Trump <a href="https://t.co/m2iMozsKZy">pic.twitter.com/m2iMozsKZy</a></p>&mdash; Mad Liberals (@mad_liberals) <a href="https://twitter.com/mad_liberals/status/1641782112234741760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[DwightShrute]

[Itsamazing777]

It just confirmed Trumps re election.

[Itsamazing777]

they can indict as many times as they want and just like those two sham impeachments, Trump will be acquitted every single time and for the same reason. You must have broken a law to be convicted of a a wrong doing.

This NY indictment is nonsense. The GA ones are as well as he didn't nothing wrong by asking to look for more votes. Jan 6th there was no insurrection and telling people to peacefully march isn't inciting violence. Its the opposite.

They just basically guaranteed a 2nd Trump term. They already stole his second term once. This is just the start of them stealing it again. They are just getting warmed up. It will backfire spectacularly.

Whether you like Trump or not, you should be against this kind of political prosecution against the front runner of the opposition. Don't kid yourself, that is exactly what it is.

Oh and the GOP turned the House red in the midterms. So there's that and the voting machines mysteriously broke down in Arizona on election day only in the heavily republican county. Nothing to see there of course. LOL.

Trump will win in 2024 and the GOP will regain the Senate again and increase their House seats.

[JIBBBY]

With each indictment coming it will only make Trump stronger and more likely to win in 2024. They say 2 or 3 more indictments may be coming from different States soon. The piling on of indictments won't work!

It's all politically motivated and the people know this.

[Kermit]

This is all a distraction to take focus away from the madness happing in Nashville.

[jackpot269]

After a Manhattan grand jury indicted Donald Trump late Thursday afternoon on reportedly 34 felony charges, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg took one more step to preserve the rule of law: Friday morning, via his General Counsel, he sent the top three Republican House Chairmen attempting to interfere in his office’s investigation and prosecution of Donald Trump a stern warning.

The letter, addressed to House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan, Oversight Chairman James Comer, and Administration Chairman Bryan Steil spans six-pages. Its letterhead does not say District Attorney’s Office, but “District Attorney,” and has Bragg’s name in the upper corner, although it is signed by Bragg’s General Counsel, Leslie B. Dubeck. Politico has published the full letter.

In a section titled, “The Committees Lack Jurisdiction to Oversee a State Criminal Prosecution,” the letter points to reports that the Trump team has been working in coordination with House Republicans.
“Even worse, based on your reportedly close collaboration with Mr. Trump in attacking this Office and the grand jury process, it appears you are acting more like criminal defense counsel trying to gather evidence for a client than a legislative body seeking to achieve a legitimate legislative objective.”
Bragg’s general counsel also uses the letter as a warning to all House Republicans that their actions, behaviors, and words are on the record.
It clearly states Bragg is drawing a red line: “What neither Mr. Trump nor Congress may do is interfere with the ordinary course of proceedings in New York State.”
The letter also accuses the trio of “an improper and dangerous usurpation” and “attempted interference with an ongoing state criminal investigation.” And it warns them against “unlawful political interference.”


“The Committees’ attempted interference with an ongoing state criminal investigation and now prosecution–is an unprecedented and illegitimate incursion on New York’s sovereign interests,” the letter reads. “Moreover, your examination of the facts of a single criminal investigation, for the supposed purpose of determining whether any charges against Mr. Trump are warranted, is an improper and dangerous usurpation of the executive and judicial functions.”

He holds up U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) as an example, suggesting to others they should moderate their rhetoric.
After dismissing Jordan’s threat in a previous letter to withhold federal funds from Bragg’s office – noting the Manhattan District Attorney’s office has “has helped the Federal Government secure more than one billion dollars in asset forfeiture funds in the past 15 years” – Bragg serves up another warning.
He notes that “some committee members have explicitly stated an intent to interfere with the state proceeding. For example, responding to Trump’s statement that he would be arrested, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene stated that ‘Republicans in Congress MUST subpoena these communists and END this! We have the power to do it and we also have the power to DEFUND their salaries and departments!’ … and that Republicans who ‘do nothing to stop’ the prosecution ‘will be exposed to the people and will be remembered, scorned, and punished by the base.'”

[JIBBBY]

As the old saying goes you can indict a ham sandwich which Bragg just did in this case. Nothing will stick.

[Kermit]

Nancy Pelosi must have the same functioning brain as Thor.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Grand Jury has acted upon the facts and the law. <br><br>No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence. <br><br>Hopefully, the former President will peacefully respect the system, which grants him that right.</p>&mdash; Nancy Pelosi (@SpeakerPelosi) <a href="https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1641594971462541315?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Kermit]

they can indict as many times as they want and just like those two sham impeachments, Trump will be acquitted every single time and for the same reason. You must have broken a law to be convicted of a a wrong doing.

This NY indictment is nonsense. The GA ones are as well as he didn't nothing wrong by asking to look for more votes. Jan 6th there was no insurrection and telling people to peacefully march isn't inciting violence. Its the opposite.

They just basically guaranteed a 2nd Trump term. They already stole his second term once. This is just the start of them stealing it again. They are just getting warmed up. It will backfire spectacularly.

Whether you like Trump or not, you should be against this kind of political prosecution against the front runner of the opposition. Don't kid yourself, that is exactly what it is.

Oh and the GOP turned the House red in the midterms. So there's that and the voting machines mysteriously broke down in Arizona on election day only in the heavily republican county. Nothing to see there of course. LOL.

Trump will win in 2024 and the GOP will regain the Senate again and increase their House seats.

All they want is Trump's mugshot to flaunt for the next 2 years.

[jackpot269]

I thought we didn't like or trust Hollywood celebs?

[BOA12]

I think the deplorables are done with him. He's a proven loser and has taken the repuke party with him.

Beck says it best; I'm a "Loser" baby, why don't you kill me.

[TheMoneyShot]

they can indict as many times as they want and just like those two sham impeachments, Trump will be acquitted every single time and for the same reason. You must have broken a law to be convicted of a a wrong doing.

This NY indictment is nonsense. The GA ones are as well as he didn't nothing wrong by asking to look for more votes. Jan 6th there was no insurrection and telling people to peacefully march isn't inciting violence. Its the opposite.

They just basically guaranteed a 2nd Trump term. They already stole his second term once. This is just the start of them stealing it again. They are just getting warmed up. It will backfire spectacularly.

Whether you like Trump or not, you should be against this kind of political prosecution against the front runner of the opposition. Don't kid yourself, that is exactly what it is.

Oh and the GOP turned the House red in the midterms. So there's that and the voting machines mysteriously broke down in Arizona on election day only in the heavily republican county. Nothing to see there of course. LOL.

Trump will win in 2024 and the GOP will regain the Senate again and increase their House seats.

Great Post DS. The Dem party is literally 2 steps away from having everything blow up in their face. Funny how someone thinks they've drawn up the "master plan" only to watch it LIVE... and say... oh sh## we fuc#ed up. eg Covid. Have a civil war right in front of the white house. There's people that simply have had enough. Has nothing to do with emotions. You keep rubbing sh## in someone's face... see what happens to you.

[TheMoneyShot]

Nancy Pelosi must have the same functioning brain as Thor.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Grand Jury has acted upon the facts and the law. <br><br>No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence. <br><br>Hopefully, the former President will peacefully respect the system, which grants him that right.</p>&mdash; Nancy Pelosi (@SpeakerPelosi) <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1641594971462541315?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Can Pelosi just shut up for once? lol The incompetence.... wow.

[DwightShrute]

Great Post DS. The Dem party is literally 2 steps away from having everything blow up in their face. Funny how someone thinks they've drawn up the "master plan" only to watch it LIVE... and say... oh sh## we fuc#ed up. eg Covid. Have a civil war right in front of the white house. There's people that simply have had enough. Has nothing to do with emotions. You keep rubbing sh## in someone's face... see what happens to you.

Brazil and Russia and China are trading in other currencies other than the USD for the first time in decades. The only reason the US national debt is allowed to be 32 trillion is because everyone uses the USD. Not anymore. This should be a huge story but indicting Trump allows the tards to de distracted. If the dollar collapses, its gonna be ugly what happens in the USA.

The dems are banking on that they will put an end to the war in the Ukraine just in time for the election next year and get a huge boost for it.