60 minutes, Russia

[dante1]

did you catch 60 minutes tonight? Graphic images and sad comments by the Ukrainian people. Russian soldiers are killing indiscriminately noncombatants. Old men, women and even children. A young boy could not have been 10 his hands tied behind his back and a bullet to the head.

I forget some of you clowns were and maybe still are cheering for Russian. Why is that? Why would you cheer for a country that invaded an innocent people and are carrying on gross and indecent crimes against innocents. is it possible Trump is the reason. I can't think of any reason at all why any human being, especially an American would cheer for that criminal country.

Our little girl many months ago told me and the forum Russia was winning. another why question. how is possible you people on the right get everything wrong. the odds are of making the wrong choice in a 50/50 situations is one out of two. and yet you clowns on the right manage to beat those odds constantly. it is difficult for me and impossible for you to name even 4 correct decisions the far right has made in the past 20 years.

good job.

[dante1]

you are always or almost always on the wrong side of history. and if you had the intellect to understand that you might think...my god the political party I back is almost never correct. WTF, is up with that. if you want to debate it I am okay with that.

settled issue after settled issue is constantly on the side of progressives or moderates. when was the last time you can name a political decision that was decided by the American people on the red side. pretty difficult isn't it. if you had an ounce of intellect you would witness this (and don't take my word for it, research it yourself) you would witness the corruption and failures of conservatives and do some serious thinking.

[MaltedHopsFrenzy]

Maybe we should send another $60 billion to the Ukraine while homeless starve here and we deal with record gas prices and inflation…..

FAIL…..

[Slurry Pumper]

I'm not cheering on Russia but it just ain't our fight. Odds are Ukraine will eventually lose. Probably gonna happen before Christmas when the cold weather comes.

[fjaka]

did you catch 60 minutes tonight? Graphic images and sad comments by the Ukrainian people. Russian soldiers are killing indiscriminately noncombatants. Old men, women and even children. A young boy could not have been 10 his hands tied behind his back and a bullet to the head.

look at images and comments in the period from 2014. to 2022., luhansk and donetsk were constantly shelled by ukrainen army.
but weak material was coming because western journalists were largely silenced (try with anne - laure bonnel)
or listen ukrainen president poroshenko speech btw supported by usa, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHpDa5LBrV
cherry on the top is ''our children will go to school while theirs will hide in basements'' (under rain of granates)
or burned alive in odessa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu2tXG2Yo-g
take a few minutes and look at those videos if your stomach could hold it.

it's sad usa supported that sh*t

usa presidents change...but usa remains usa.
sh*t started when 'majdan 2014' happened - financed and supported by usa.
...when the legally democratically elected janukovich was overthrown from the ukri nazis supported by the usa.
sadly thing is usa is against dictatorship...unless it is in their favor. people burned alive in odessa 2014 eu&usa have no problem with that.
13 000 people dead from 2014 till 2022 eu&usa have no problem.
well, the problem is more than obvius, putin waited too long...

[TheGoldenGoose]

Maybe we should send another $60 billion to the Ukraine while homeless starve here and we deal with record gas prices and inflation…..

FAIL…..

Not necessarily true Hops. Ronald Reagan won the Cold War by simply OUT-SPENDING the Russians. They just could not keep pace. The Russians are making the same mistake now that they made 35 years ago. They will get out-spent again. It's inevitable.

[fjaka]

i can't even put a link for yt clip ''burnt alive in odessa'' so try google it.

[fjaka]

anne - laure bonnel

This morning, let us never forget that all this could have been avoided. Reminder of the Minsk agreement.

What if those chords were still born?

Who is to blame?

Despite the Euro-Atlantic world and Washington's displeasure, the second Minsk agreement, aimed at ending the conflict in Eastern Donbass, was signed thanks to the joint initiative of France and Germany on February 12, 2015.

Since the end of the USSR, the process of NATO's expansion to the east has been the main factor in the deterioration - interspersed with significant phases of cooperation - in the relations between the USA and Russia.

The United States, although insisting on disarmament, has been arming Ukraine since 2014.For his part, Germany's foreign minister was "skeptical" about the United States' decision to supply lethal weapons - including anti-tank missiles - to Ukraine as early as 2015, adding:

"What is not lacking in this region is exactly weapons. "I don't think this will help resolve the conflict. But that is the point of view of a country that is distant and not directly involved in the conflict."

Russia, on the other hand, felt that this stockpile of weapons could trigger a conflict.The warning prompted the Ukrainian head of diplomacy Pavlo Klimkin to respond without delay:

"It will not be used offensively. " So we cannot advance the argument that they risk raising a temperature conflict.

"The conflict between the Ukrainian army and separatists in the east has already claimed more than 13,000 military and civilian lives since the beginning of April 2014.

[rkelly110]

So this 'war' is not a direct result of pootin being isolated for covid and wanting his old ussr reinstated like he himself said while making up some lamebrain excuse to invade thinking, it would be a walk in the park with his out dated armament of WW2? His plan is that of Seria, destroy anything and everything to bring the people to their knees. F that 2014 bullshit, fjaka!

[fjaka]

for gods sake ussr is closed book long time ago
have you read minsk agreements?

ok, simple questions, how would usa react if russian missile appeare in mexico? if russia set up in mexico government of their puppets strongly oriented against usa? and after all start killing and opressing americans in mexico?

@rkelly110 please answer me on these question.

[chico2663]

Maybe we should send another $60 billion to the Ukraine while homeless starve here and we deal with record gas prices and inflation…..
Goof thing you
FAIL…..

Good thing you don’t live here …ya big old duke ball.

[fjaka]

[MaltedHopsFrenzy]

Good thing you don’t live here …ya big old duke ball.

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[slewfan]

Not necessarily true Hops. Ronald Reagan won the Cold War by simply OUT-SPENDING the Russians. They just could not keep pace. The Russians are making the same mistake now that they made 35 years ago. They will get out-spent again. It's inevitable.

Russia an oil rich nation. The whole world runs on oil. The US will be broke with Biden at the helm long before Putin. There's always China to aide anyone they see fit.

If anyone is making a mistake at this time, it is the USA cutting it's oil production.

Just because this administration and the fake press have people believing ''EV'' 's will save the earth does not make it true in any sense of the word..

[rkelly110]

for gods sake ussr is closed book long time ago
have you read minsk agreements?

ok, simple questions, how would usa react if russian missile appeare in mexico? if russia set up in mexico government of their puppets strongly oriented against usa? and after all start killing and opressing americans in mexico?

@rkelly110 please answer me on these question.

Is this what you were talking about?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/why-putin-invaded-ukraine-russia-war-explained-rcna16028

A pretext for a power grab?

A significant spike in shelling in eastern Ukraine, where Moscow-backed separatists had been fighting Ukrainian forces since 2014 in a conflict that cost an estimated 14,000 lives, intensified concerns that the Kremlin was trying to create a pretext for an attack.

The industrial region of Donbas, internationally recognized as Ukrainian but partly controlled by the separatists, quickly became the flashpoint in a broader standoff that the U.S. and its allies had feared.

This is what I'm talking about.

As far as your scenario, I think they sent missiles to Argentina? For all I know they are still in Cuba. (w/o looking)

[fjaka]

@rkelly
you are brainwashed
too much cnn bbc and other tv garbage
go out and take a fresh air

europe is waking up

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/10/18/691132/Italians-protest-membership-NATO-

https://freepresskashmir.news/2022/10/10/mass-protests-against-nato-eu-in-paris/

sweet message from germany, ''americans go home'' https://learngerman.dw.com/en/german...in/a-43990723#

[fjaka]

[rkelly110]

@rkelly
you are brainwashed
too much cnn bbc and other tv garbage
go out and take a fresh air

europe is waking up

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/10/18/691132/Italians-protest-membership-NATO-

https://freepresskashmir.news/2022/10/10/mass-protests-against-nato-eu-in-paris/

sweet message from germany, ''americans go home'' https://learngerman.dw.com/en/german...in/a-43990723#

Thanks for the links, but they are blaming the wrong people. They cry for the cost of energy but they don't bitch at the energy companies making huge profit. Instead of NATO they should blaming russia and the saudis who should be ramping up production to take up the slack of russia.

I don't follow any one news source or watch it continuously.

[DwightShrute]

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[fjaka]

[15805]

iF not for the 2014 coup there would have been no desire or need for Russia's Special Military Operation this year.
Furthermore there would never have been a successful coup without the brutality of the ultra-nationalist who
certainly decided the outcome.


On the Kiev Maidan the 'Right Sector & Swoboda' thugs led the coup of the elected
president Yanukovich which was about supposedly bringing democracy to Ukraine.
To the contrary the entirety of eastern Ukraine erupted protesting and in
Donetsk and Lugansk the did so successfully! Having a president THEY voted for,
they rather thought Ukraine had a democracy already.


Their president was removed, replaced with an interim president who initially tried to ban
their language and appointed billionaire governors to the eastern regions without elections.
These neo-Nazi units of Swoboda, The Right Sector & the Azov Battalion stemmed most
of the rebellions even burning alive the people in Odessa who protested.
During this period East Ukraine, got it's taste of the new "Ukrainian democracy and
freedom" and found they did not care for it.


Look this country was so divided between east & west that it's surprising to me that it stayed whole
from the early 1990's for 25 years before the Euromaidan split the country.


Percentage of support for Russian leaning candidate Yanukovich in
the last election when Ukraine was still whole 2010:


Eastern Ukraine
Crimea--- 78.25
Donetsk--90.44
Luhansk- 88.96


The east/west divide is also emphasized by the support for Tymoshenko EU leaning candidate in the far west
In the lands of the Polish, Lithuanian, Galacian citizens of Ukraine


Percentage of support for Tymoshenko in the last election when Ukraine was whole:


Western Ukraine
Lviv-------86.20%
Ternopil--88.39%

[dante1]

Not necessarily true Hops. Ronald Reagan won the Cold War by simply OUT-SPENDING the Russians. They just could not keep pace. The Russians are making the same mistake now that they made 35 years ago. They will get out-spent again. It's inevitable.

exactly correct, plus they are a pretend power. a pretend power and almost as evil as Trump

[dante1]

what I find amazing is some, even in this thread, have words of comfort for Russia or at the very least negative comments concerning the Ukraine. now remember this these are the same people who claim they are R. what was the most important issue with R when the R party was actually a valid political party. pretty simple it was their animosity toward the USSR and then toward Russia.

imagine an orange clown through whatever means you can think of has changed the mind set of the crazies. it is beyond, way beyond normal political thinking. it is just incredible, their stupidity and ability to change on a dime is just amazing.

[dante1]

I cannot think of one Trump clown on this forum that has ever been consistent in political thinking. not one!

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[15805]

Besides for Biden's Open Border Policy the worst policy that he's been involved with is the USA promise of over 60 billion
dollars to aid the Ukraine war effort! 60 billion dollars is about the amount of Russia's defense budget for the entire year!!!!!
So the USA is paying for 70% of Ukraines defense while the EU much more involved
in the dust-up just to their east is paying for 30%.


All this huge, huge expense is accomplishing is prolonging a war that Russia will never allow itself lose.
The US is loosing moneys which we don't havebut will manage to borrow from China, the EU will have their most uncomfortable winter in decades in a proxy war where Ukraine men & women become fodder the coming Russian onslaught. The only plus for the USA is that the old Reepublican war mongoring crowd will get their
millions & Russia's military assets will be substantially depleted.


Eisenhower or Nixon would never have let this last more than 2 months. But we have Biden & a huge
crisis should have been expected. Even Obama said 'Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up'

[rkelly110]

Besides for Biden's Open Border Policy the worst policy that he's been involved with is the USA promise of over 60 billion
dollars to aid the Ukraine war effort! 60 billion dollars is about the amount of Russia's defense budget for the entire year!!!!!
So the USA is paying for 70% of Ukraines defense while the EU much more involved
in the dust-up just to their east is paying for 30%.


All this huge, huge expense is accomplishing is prolonging a war that Russia will never allow itself lose.
The US is loosing moneys which we don't havebut will manage to borrow from China, the EU will have their most uncomfortable winter in decades in a proxy war where Ukraine men & women become fodder the coming Russian onslaught. The only plus for the USA is that the old Reepublican war mongoring crowd will get their
millions & Russia's military assets will be substantially depleted.


Eisenhower or Nixon would never have let this last more than 2 months. But we have Biden & a huge
crisis should have been expected. Even Obama said 'Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up'

The reason for that is, they need to protect themselves also if russia attacks them.

[15805]

The reason for that is, they need to protect themselves also if russia attacks them.

Like I said he EU will have their most uncomfortable winter in decades in a proxy war where Ukraine men & women become fodder the coming Russian onslaught.

BREAKING NEWS: China just stopped selling their natural gas surpluses to Europe.

[rkelly110]

Like I said he EU will have their most uncomfortable winter in decades in a proxy war where Ukraine men & women become fodder the coming Russian onslaught.

BREAKING NEWS: China just stopped selling their natural gas surpluses to Europe.

Link KFC?

[MaltedHopsFrenzy]

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[fjaka]

iF not for the 2014 coup there would have been no desire or need for Russia's Special Military Operation this year.
Furthermore there would never have been a successful coup without the brutality of the ultra-nationalist who
certainly decided the outcome...

victoria nuland, maidan 2014. confectioner, admit herself that washington invested more than 5 billion in the 2014 coup d'état, which was the trigger of its evil. they enticed the ukrainians to turn against moscow, by membership in the EU and NATO - and they did not join any alliance. so, the west got what they want - russia's attack on ukraine, in order to harm russia as much as possible, and ukrainians are just a useful idiots, american cannon fodder...

[15805]

Link KFC?

re-selling Russian NG

[fjaka]

europe has become a one big shame

[15805]

victoria nuland, maidan 2014. confectioner, admit herself that washington invested more than 5 billion in the 2014 coup d'état, which was the trigger of its evil. they enticed the ukrainians to turn against moscow, by membership in the EU and NATO - and they did not join any alliance. so, the west got what they want - russia's attack on ukraine, in order to harm russia as much as possible, and ukrainians are just a useful idiots, american cannon fodder...

I almost forgot about crazy Nuland:

Russia had been waiting for the right time to reclaim Crimea but the right time came when
Victoria Nuland a neocon lunatic who was tasked with the destabilization of Ukraine & in a period
of years spent 5 billion to try to do so; finally with the aid of ultranationalist like Yarosh & the EU
was able at long last to finally bring about the overthrow of the Russian leaning president Yanukovich.
The swaggering goofiness of Victoria Nuland & her godforsaken attempt to wrap Ukraine around
her fingers backfired as fast as one can say peninsula.


This is actually what happened! Almost immediately after ultra right wing Ukranian Nationalist overthrew
Yanukovich the entire Ukraine navy had “defected” in the Crimea region, pledging allegiance to
its unrecognised pro-Russian leader and surrendered the country's Sevastopol headquarters.

[Thor4140]

I am always amused when right wingers worry about spending. Always when a democrat is in charge. The best line that had me on the floor laughing was how a few of them said we could be giving this money to our poor instead of wasting it on Ukraine. Like these rotten fuks would find a soft spot for the poor. Hell the crying about the student loan situation shows you what kind of scumbags they truly are. Now they are worried about the poor LMFAO