Bernie Sanders Is A Lock In 2020

[khicks26]

But you do have plenty of personal attacks. What a debater of issues you are.

[brooks85]

So you have no experience buying healthcare. But can tell the rest of us your a pro at it.


You have yet to post anything proving your BS.

That's what I thought.

notice how you're trying to deflect from the fact you're a liar and you lie on every topic you post about(not an exaggeration but not counting sports).


And notice how you asked for a real study, got one and then ignored it like the child you are. Again, proving what I said about you. You behave and logic just like a child.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/politics-economics/3451064-stupid-liberals-lol-climate-change-doomsday-just-got-canceled.html

keep running alice


this is the third time just recently you were shown links involving real facts but then panicked and made up some reason to ignore them. Scared.

[khicks26]

Notice you can't prove any of your BS unless you use your old BS. Which still makes it BS.

[brooks85]

Notice you can't prove any of your BS unless you use your old BS. Which still makes it BS.

notice how I predict your moves before you even make them

notice how you're trying to deflect from the fact you're a liar and you lie on every topic you post about(not an exaggeration but not counting sports).


And notice how you asked for a real study, got one and then ignored it like the child you are. Again, proving what I said about you. You behave and logic just like a child.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/politics-economics/3451064-stupid-liberals-lol-climate-change-doomsday-just-got-canceled.html

keep running alice


this is the third time just recently you were shown links involving real facts but then panicked and made up some reason to ignore them. Scared.

[khicks26]

Notice how you just proved what I said. Its still BS

[brooks85]

lol calling facts BS only helps my case alice but I'm sure in wonderland chesire cat is telling you that you're doing a great job!

in fact, you were just caught lying the other day lol


you tried to saying a link is "watching" MSM... lol

yet the facts show you actually do watch MSM

[khicks26]

So just who are these global elites? If their not the rich & powerful. Then Who?

[brooks85]

^lol notice how you get caught lying and ignoring the facts so you desperately start grasping.


When you're ready to admit global warming is horse shit then you can be treated like an adult.

[khicks26]

So just who are these global elites? If their not the rich & powerful. Then Who?

[brooks85]

^lol uh oh... alice has turned on the posting bot



again, more proof you're a liar and think like a child.

[khicks26]

Just what I thought the reply would be from Brooksville.

[brooks85]

^well you are on record ignoring facts so it's comical to see you ask questions like you're not going to do what you've done for almost a decade now; ignore the truth.


the fact is you support a puppet for the elites and you're not ready to break that reality. You still watch MSM and you're asking who the elites are... lol

[guitarjosh]

The system you want would turn everything into a monopoly. Not open the market.


Fascism is a mix of government & business. That's why so many American companies liked Hitler before WWII.

It wouldn't at all, the best way to prevent monopoly is through the open market, like eliminating trade barriers. Try to drive up the costs of medicine if we can just import cheaper stuff from Canada.

Fascism is government control of private business, which is what the left now wants. If you want to see a textbook example of fascism, look up the Volkswagen Beetle and the role Hitler played in its creation.

Help me understand your line of thinking please. You're saying that the current government has been bought by wealthy people and corporations, so your solution is to give the government more power and think that will make it incorruptible? You really think that the more power a politician has, the less corruptible they become?

[khicks26]

It wouldn't at all, the best way to prevent monopoly is through the open market, like eliminating trade barriers. Try to drive up the costs of medicine if we can just import cheaper stuff from Canada.

Fascism is government control of private business, which is what the left now wants. If you want to see a textbook example of fascism, look up the Volkswagen Beetle and the role Hitler played in its creation.

Help me understand your line of thinking please. You're saying that the current government has been bought by wealthy people and corporations, so your solution is to give the government more power and think that will make it incorruptible? You really think that the more power a politician has, the less corruptible they become?

Yes it would be. Without rules & regulation or a government. You end up with monopoly. Think Standard Oil. History has already shown your system to be a failure.

So none of the industrialists under Hitler became very wealthy? He had a picture of Henry Ford hanging in his office.


Yes they do control the government. Take the money out of politics (campaign bribes) & you won't have the revolving door from government to business.

How many people leave government & get a job in a large corporation. What did Eric Holder do when he left. What is the Koch puppet Paul Ryan going to do?

Get the money out & the people will have to make the government do its will of work for the country as a whole. Be left or right policy & not for the few that give them money & a high paying job once out of government.

[guitarjosh]

Yes it would be. Without rules & regulation or a government. You end up with monopoly. Think Standard Oil. History has already shown your system to be a failure.

So none of the industrialists under Hitler became very wealthy? He had a picture of Henry Ford hanging in his office.


Yes they do control the government. Take the money out of politics (campaign bribes) & you won't have the revolving door from government to business.

How many people leave government & get a job in a large corporation. What did Eric Holder do when he left. What is the Koch puppet Paul Ryan going to do?

Get the money out & the people will have to make the government do its will of work for the country as a whole. Be left or right policy & not for the few that give them money & a high paying job once out of government.

Standard Oil was never a monopoly. At its peak, it did control a little over 90% of the gas production in the country, but when it was broken up in 1911, without the help of government, it had dropped to the mid 60s. Again, that was due to the market that it dropped. Virtually all monopolies were due to government protection.

Sure some became wealthy, but the way to acquire that wealth was through government. All that government protection that you want is a great way to create oligopoly.

You will never take money out of politics. If you think things are bad now, wait until you have to kiss the rings of Jeff Bezos, Sheldon Aldelson, Rupert Murdoch, etc, if you want favorable coverage from their media organizations. Unless you're wealthy enough to buy something like that, you're powerless.

[khicks26]

Standard Oil was never a monopoly. At its peak, it did control a little over 90% of the gas production in the country, but when it was broken up in 1911, without the help of government, it had dropped to the mid 60s. Again, that was due to the market that it dropped. Virtually all monopolies were due to government protection.

Sure some became wealthy, but the way to acquire that wealth was through government. All that government protection that you want is a great way to create oligopoly.

You will never take money out of politics. If you think things are bad now, wait until you have to kiss the rings of Jeff Bezos, Sheldon Aldelson, Rupert Murdoch, etc, if you want favorable coverage from their media organizations. Unless you're wealthy enough to buy something like that, you're powerless.

Rockefeller had most of the production & all the means of transportation. A monopoly.

On May 15, 1911, the Supreme Court ordered the dissolution of

Standard Oil

Company, ruling it was in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.

Yeah we know in your version of history that's what FDR did. Even though rich & powerful men have spend the last 80 years undoing the New Deal. You don't make sense.

Correct, I think you need 2/3 of the states to go along to amend the constitution. If people don't want to be powerless, they better come together.

[guitarjosh]

Rockefeller had most of the production & all the means of transportation. A monopoly.

On May 15, 1911, the Supreme Court ordered the dissolution of

Standard Oil

Company, ruling it was in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.

Yeah we know in your version of history that's what FDR did. Even though rich & powerful men have spend the last 80 years undoing the New Deal. You don't make sense.

Correct, I think you need 2/3 of the states to go along to amend the constitution. If people don't want to be powerless, they better come together.

He did have most, but again, he lost a lot of the market without the government to keep competition out of the market. The best anti monopoly instrument is the free market. Taxes and regulations help the powerful.

It's not just my version, many economists, in some polls the majority of economists, believe that FDR's policies prolonged the depression.

IT WILL ALWAYS BE FOR PROFIT! Political profit is the biggest problem, not financial profit. Look at how many state pension funds are on the verge of collapse despite a record stock market. That is because of unions promising votes to the politicians, who profit by winning elections and getting power. Even if you take away the ability to donate money above $500, you still have the media owned by very wealthy individuals, and the unions will deliver their votes to the highest bidder, even if it screws over everyone else.

[guitarjosh]

A perfect example of what happens when we put tariffs on imports, the corporations are better off, wealthier, while the consumer is slammed:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/whirlpool-first-solar-shares-soar-143713776.html

[khicks26]

He did have most, but again, he lost a lot of the market without the government to keep competition out of the market. The best anti monopoly instrument is the free market. Taxes and regulations help the powerful.

It's not just my version, many economists, in some polls the majority of economists, believe that FDR's policies prolonged the depression.

IT WILL ALWAYS BE FOR PROFIT! Political profit is the biggest problem, not financial profit. Look at how many state pension funds are on the verge of collapse despite a record stock market. That is because of unions promising votes to the politicians, who profit by winning elections and getting power. Even if you take away the ability to donate money above $500, you still have the media owned by very wealthy individuals, and the unions will deliver their votes to the highest bidder, even if it screws over everyone else.

Most if not all positive change in this country has come from movements, protest & strikes. Some times people even were killed.

You free market system will never achieve a movement. Its the rich man idea.

[khicks26]

A perfect example of what happens when we put tariffs on imports, the corporations are better off, wealthier, while the consumer is slammed:
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/w...143713776.html

I heard this was mostly benefiting a Chinese company in America. While hurting American companies in China.

Now there's a way around a tariff. Leave it to Trump.

[guitarjosh]

Most if not all positive change in this country has come from movements, protest & strikes. Some times people even were killed.

You free market system will never achieve a movement. Its the rich man idea.

That has nothing to do with Standard oil losing a huge chunk of the market without government intervention, just market forces. What causes monopolies will be the government regulating and taxing. You're telling me you being free is actually a rich man idea, and having politicians run your life for you is actually better, and that if we simply cap political donations politicians won't be influenced by anything other than their own pure hearts. You seriously believe that.

[khicks26]

That has nothing to do with Standard oil losing a huge chunk of the market without government intervention, just market forces. What causes monopolies will be the government regulating and taxing. You're telling me you being free is actually a rich man idea, and having politicians run your life for you is actually better, and that if we simply cap political donations politicians won't be influenced by anything other than their own pure hearts. You seriously believe that.

NO, what I'm saying is that your system of supply side economics is a rich mans idea created for rich people. You will have to force on the public. There will never be enough people that think its a good idea to create a movement.

First & most important is to get the money out. But without a vigilant public & a free press to keep politicians honest. It won't make a difference.


This is the US today.

Inverted totalitarianism is a term coined by political philosopher Sheldon Wolin in 2003 to describe the emerging form of government of the United States. Wolin analysed the US as increasingly turning into a managed democracy (similar to an illiberal democracy). He uses the term "inverted totalitarianism" to draw attention to the totalitarian aspects of the US political system while emphasizing its differences from proper totalitarianism, such as Nazi and Stalinist regimes.^[1]

In Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt by Chris Hedges and Joe Sacco, inverted totalitarianism is described as a system where corporations have corrupted and subverted democracy and where economics trumps politics.^[2][3][4][5] Every natural resource and living being is commodified and exploited to the point of collapse, as the citizenry is lulled and manipulated into surrendering their liberties and their participation in government through excess consumerism and sensationalism

[khicks26]

[brooks85]

NO, what I'm saying is that your system of supply side economics is a rich mans idea created for rich people. You will have to force on the public. There will never be enough people that think its a good idea to create a movement.

First & most important is to get the money out. But without a vigilant public & a free press to keep politicians honest. It won't make a difference.


This is the US today.

Inverted totalitarianism is a term coined by political philosopher Sheldon Wolin in 2003 to describe the emerging form of government of the United States. Wolin analysed the US as increasingly turning into a managed democracy (similar to an illiberal democracy). He uses the term "inverted totalitarianism" to draw attention to the totalitarian aspects of the US political system while emphasizing its differences from proper totalitarianism, such as Nazi and Stalinist regimes.^[1]

In Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt by Chris Hedges and Joe Sacco, inverted totalitarianism is described as a system where corporations have corrupted and subverted democracy and where economics trumps politics.^[2][3][4][5] Every natural resource and living being is commodified and exploited to the point of collapse, as the citizenry is lulled and manipulated into surrendering their liberties and their participation in government through excess consumerism and sensationalism

well, by your own logic if you think getting money out is the most important thing then the first thing you would need to do is change human nature. Good luck.


again, the press's job is no longer about free press. It's about brainwashing which is why you have people like bernie and hillary running for president ALL while the press ignores the best candidate in modern history and he ended up winning.

[guitarjosh]

NO, what I'm saying is that your system of supply side economics is a rich mans idea created for rich people. You will have to force on the public. There will never be enough people that think its a good idea to create a movement.

First & most important is to get the money out. But without a vigilant public & a free press to keep politicians honest. It won't make a difference.


This is the US today.

Inverted totalitarianism is a term coined by political philosopher Sheldon Wolin in 2003 to describe the emerging form of government of the United States. Wolin analysed the US as increasingly turning into a managed democracy (similar to an illiberal democracy). He uses the term "inverted totalitarianism" to draw attention to the totalitarian aspects of the US political system while emphasizing its differences from proper totalitarianism, such as Nazi and Stalinist regimes.^[1]

In Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt by Chris Hedges and Joe Sacco, inverted totalitarianism is described as a system where corporations have corrupted and subverted democracy and where economics trumps politics.^[2][3][4][5] Every natural resource and living being is commodified and exploited to the point of collapse, as the citizenry is lulled and manipulated into surrendering their liberties and their participation in government through excess consumerism and sensationalism

We've been over this before. Rich people want to make money, which is why they're going to Mexico and China. All I want to do is eliminate regulatory and tax costs to undercut Mexico and China, which will bring jobs back, and before you tell me that Mexico and China will lower their costs, they have too many politicians there that believe like you that we need to hurt one group to make another better off. The zero sum game theory of wealth has been debunked many times over.

Again, you won't get profit out. Once the public decides to tip the laws in their favor so their life is easier at someone else's expense we're in trouble. I love how you have so much faith in a free press, that's owned by very wealthy individuals and corporations, who will be getting their rings kissed by the politicians if you had your way.

Inverted totalitarianism is what you and your ideas have created. When Obama left office, we were more regulated than at any point in US history.

[khicks26]

well, by your own logic if you think getting money out is the most important thing then the first thing you would need to do is change human nature. Good luck.


again, the press's job is no longer about free press. It's about brainwashing which is why you have people like bernie and hillary running for president ALL while the press ignores the best candidate in modern history and he ended up winning.

What happened to you guys saying they gave Trump millions in free advertising.

[brooks85]

What happened to you guys saying they gave Trump millions in free advertising.

what does this have to do with anything?

notice how you're proving exactly what I said about you when you're losing. You start grasping for straws on things that have nothing to do with the topic.

[vitterd]

Brooks is a 9/11 truther. End of story.

[brooks85]

^case in point khicks

either stay in the pen with vitter, like I told him day 1 lol, or come on out

[stevenash]

He'll be 80 in 2020 (well 79)
Nobody is going to vote for an 80 year old man regardless of what party one is affiliated with.

[khicks26]

well, by your own logic if you think getting money out is the most important thing then the first thing you would need to do is change human nature. Good luck.


again, the press's job is no longer about free press. It's about brainwashing which is why you have people like bernie and hillary running for president ALL while the press ignores the best candidate in modern history and he ended up winning.

what does this have to do with anything?

notice how you're proving exactly what I said about you when you're losing. You start grasping for straws on things that have nothing to do with the topic.

You guys really need to make up your mind.

[khicks26]

He'll be 80 in 2020 (well 79)
Nobody is going to vote for an 80 year old man regardless of what party one is affiliated with.

An 80 year old that is to radical for the corporate Dems. They don't want Sanders. If he runs it would have to be a 3rd party.

[brooks85]

An 80 year old that is to radical for the corporate Dems. They don't want Sanders. If he runs it would have to be a 3rd party.

lol alice.. do you actually believe what sanders tells you.. come on now... time to grow up and stop believing in santa too


fact is bernie was perfect and has been doing it for decades, soros put him in the spotlight and you couldn't look away

[brooks85]

You guys really need to make up your mind.

you really need to learn to read slower so you actually understand

also, notice how you dodged the question. Again, these trends I have said about you are true and you keep proving it.

[khicks26]

you really need to learn to read slower so you actually understand

also, notice how you dodged the question. Again, these trends I have said about you are true and you keep proving it.

Dude, you said the MSM ignored Trump.

After he won you guys were all saying how smart he was to get free coverage from the MSM.

Which is it?