9/11- Was America Involved??

[imgv94]

I have been reading about the events of Sept 11 2001. Something isn't right about how 2 planes crashed into the WTC and then an hour later another one crashed into the Pentagon.

The plane that hit the Pentagon was flying in a no fly zone for
15 mins?? Don't you think the Pentagon should of been on alert since an hour before two planes crashed into the tallest buildings in the country?? I think 15 mins was plenty of
time to react.

Something doesn't sound right??
I heard a guy on the radio who used to work in the
Pentagon and he says he has his concerns also.

[tacomax]

Are you honestly telling me you've not heard of the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11?

If not, try:

http://www.loosechange911.com/

[BuddyBear]

there are a lot of conspiracy theories out there...some more credible than others here is a good link that gives an overview of most of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Conspiracy

[sergfro]

too bad the 4th plane didnt reach its destination

[freebie]

too bad the 4th plane didnt reach its destination

I hate the way the American goverment do things. But I wouldn't wish for someone to get hurt.

You just don't see terrorist screw around with countries like Hongkong, China or Canada. Because they keep their nose out of other people's business. Every single Shit that happen around the world and the dumbass American goverment has to get involve.

It's like they don't have enough problem. Sending 20 trillion dollars to to fight hunger and Sri Lanka, but had no money to help Katrina?

[The Great One]

too bad the 4th plane didnt reach its destination

That sounds like a page right fom the Great One's playbook. Hit the capitol while Congress is in session and they won't be putting their nose in my business for awhile.

[sergfro]

It would take a plane to hit the white house for our dumbass politicians to wake up and start caring about us Americans

[Dark Horse]

There are always a lot of people who believe the conspiracy theories. In this case that is everybody who believes the official account.

9/11 was an inside job (probably neocons and mossad). I'd put my entire bankroll on it.

A good place to start is to watch a video of WTC #7 crashing to the ground. Admittedly 'pulled', in the words of Larry Silverstein, who only six weeks before 9/11 had become the new owner of the Twin Towers...
No plane flew into WTC #7, yet it became the third high riser in history to collapse due to fire. The other two being the Twin Towers...

Actually, a better place to start is right here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change

Edit: Loose Change was already recommended. lol. Gotta love this place. People fall all over each other at other forums when this subject comes up.

[Razz]

Well, of course it's possible, but how would you recommend stopping a plane flying several hundreds of mph without shooting it down, and killing hundreds of American citizens (They were killed eventually anyway, but there was no guarantee of that at the time), which would have been a PR nightmare?

[tacomax]

Well, of course it's possible, but how would you recommend stopping a plane flying several hundreds of mph without shooting it down, and killing hundreds of American citizens (They were killed eventually anyway, but there was no guarantee of that at the time), which would have been a PR nightmare?

It wasn't a PR nightmare, it was a success (assuming that the objective was to strengthen public opinion on the "war on terror").

We could spend all day debating whether or not 9/11 was state-sponsored terrorism. However, what we do know for a fact is that about 40 years before 9/11, the US Government was considering a very similar operation in their military plans against Cuba.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

[BuddyBear]

in the end...our relationship with Israel is beyond useless anyway we look at it....I wish the U.S. would just tell Israel to **** off you no good parasites and leave us be and stop involving us in your neverending problems you bring on yourself.

[imgv94]

Thanks everyone who responded.

[Dark Horse]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

By the way, I'm not presenting this as 'evidence'. The funny thing with 9/11 is that there are many questions. If you look at each one in an isolated way, you could probably find an expert to debunk every explanation not approved by the government. But... there is a clear pattern that connects the questions, and those who connect the dots will have no trouble following the trail to its inevitable conclusion.

Surely, in the face of such a disastrous event, the idea that 'it can't be so' has to be off the table, and all possibilities have to be considered.

[jbbulldawg2003@hotmail.co]

It's like they don't have enough problem. Sending 20 trillion dollars to to fight hunger and Sri Lanka, but had no money to help Katrina?

you took the words right out of my mouth right there.

My mind cant wrap around how much tax money is being spent on foreign issues instead of our own domestic ones.

[Catsfan]

Anyone that believes the US goverment had anything to do with 911 is a complete idiot and probaly believes we never landed on the moon and litens to Art Bell. I'm not the biggest George Bush fan but there is no way our government had anything to do with 911.

[jbbulldawg2003@hotmail.co]

Anyone that believes the US goverment had anything to do with 911 is a complete idiot and probaly believes we never landed on the moon and litens to Art Bell. I'm not the biggest George Bush fan but there is no way our government had anything to do with 911.

I dont believe they necesarilly mean the american government, but american terrorists rather than foreign terrorists, and the american media and leaders swaying us to believe the opposite.

[applepicks]

Anyone that believes the US goverment had anything to do with 911 is a complete idiot and probaly believes we never landed on the moon and litens to Art Bell. I'm not the biggest George Bush fan but there is no way our government had anything to do with 911.

Gotta agree here with Catsfan. Was the US goverment officials partly to blame for this act of terrorism? Well **** yeah they were. If the FBI agent in Arizona's memos would have been made available to the higher ups then they could of moved on Atta and company. Does the CIA not have enough knowledge that when well over 65(yes 65) Middle eastern men are taking flight lessons at lesser known flight schools that something, just something might be up? They did not go to Embry Riddle Aeronautical University(nations foremost flight school) they went to some out of the normal flight schools.
US goverment is guilty of not following warnings of their own employees. They can learn, but they must not forget the lesson learned. APPLE

[Mason]

Catsfan,

Why would you have to be a complete idiot to believe the U.S Government was invovled?

[imgv94]

I think Catsfan needs to watch the video that taco and DH posted
on this thread.

[Dark Horse]

Anyone that believes the US goverment had anything to do with 911 is a complete idiot and probaly believes we never landed on the moon and litens to Art Bell. I'm not the biggest George Bush fan but there is no way our government had anything to do with 911.

Catsfan, one thing about good gamblers is that they are experts at weighing probabilities, which also means they know how to operate from an objective and flexible mindset. Try to watch Loose Change without preconceived ideas.

Few things in this world are absolutely certain. Having studied the 9/11 material, I would have to say that there is a very high probability that the government was involved in 9/11. That has nothing to do with what I want to believe (quite the contrary). It's simply where the evidence points.

[tacomax]

Surely, in the face of such a disastrous event, the idea that 'it can't be so' has to be off the table, and all possibilities have to be considered.

Yes, there is every possibility that the actual events aren't exactly as have been told. The problem is that there are a thousand different scenarios which are banded about. And each one of those is usually peddled by someone with a grudge against a particular race/type of people; anti-semetics will be convinced it's a Jewish conspiracy, BBD will be convinced 9/11 was orchestrated by Barry Bonds etc. etc.

[Razz]

It wasn't a PR nightmare, it was a success (assuming that the objective was to strengthen public opinion on the "war on terror").

We could spend all day debating whether or not 9/11 was state-sponsored terrorism. However, what we do know for a fact is that about 40 years before 9/11, the US Government was considering a very similar operation in their military plans against Cuba.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Re-read my post.

[PokerDeath]

Take the test:

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

I sure as hell couldn't find it.

[tacomax]

Re-read my post.

I wasn't responding directly to your post, merely commenting on one of the phrases you mentioned.

[imgv94]

[Dark Horse]

Yes, there is every possibility that the actual events aren't exactly as have been told. The problem is that there are a thousand different scenarios which are banded about. And each one of those is usually peddled by someone with a grudge against a particular race/type of people; anti-semetics will be convinced it's a Jewish conspiracy, BBD will be convinced 9/11 was orchestrated by Barry Bonds etc. etc.

For the record, to me the Neocons do not represent the American people, nor does the Israeli far right represent the Jews. These Nazi-like influences should have no place in either people. I have many Jewish friends, but that doesn't mean I'm buying into the cheap manipulation that criticism of Israel equals anti-semitism. If you place any country or people above criticism, it is only human nature that this freedom will be misused. Unfortunately, most Washington politicians consider it career suicide to criticize Israel. The question is why...

Why does AIPAC have a stranglehold on American politics? (yes, our politicians are bought and paid for, on both sides of the aisle). Why do the PNAC and AIPAC seem to be interbred? Their ideologies overlap (Neocons are heavily into US world dominion, and oil. Israeli far right is heavily into becoming the main power in the Middle East), and less than eight months into the Bush administration the game was on; just six weeks after Larry Silverstein purchased a 99-year long leash on the WTC.

Isn't it common sense to take a good look at who had the means and who had the motive? If you can connect the dots to Barry Bonds, by all means enlighten us.

[isetcap]

I'm convinced that Barry Bonds flew both planes into the WTC. Seriously, go check out www.genericconspiracydocumentary.com and you'll see the "facts". Good job, people. Fiction is much more exciting than reality.

[tacomax]

Hey, isetcap, that link isn't working. Maybe "they" have removed all trace of the site from the internet?

[isetcap]

Hey, isetcap, that link isn't working. Maybe "they" have removed all trace of the site from the internet?

"They" are always doing stuff like that. I don't know how "they" have time to plan all these things "they" do. You can be sure "they" will keep doing them though because "they" are responsible for everything that "good, normal, wholesome, everyday-folk" can't possibly comprehend.

[707782]

I hate the way the American goverment do things. But I wouldn't wish for someone to get hurt.

You just don't see terrorist screw around with countries like Hongkong, China or Canada. Because they keep their nose out of other people's business. Every single Shit that happen around the world and the dumbass American goverment has to get involve.

It's like they don't have enough problem. Sending 20 trillion dollars to to fight hunger and Sri Lanka, but had no money to help Katrina?

HK is not a country, duh....It's part of China, duh.......

Back to your comment, I agreed with you on the most part.

[isetcap]

Fortunately, mastermind Charlie Sheen has come along to set us all straight. Thank "God" for Hollywood.

The "Two and a Half Men" star has found himself jumping from the frying pan into the fire. Sheen recently gave a bizarre interview on GCN Radio Network's conspiracy-minded "The Alex Jones Show," in which he suggested that the federal government was covering up what "really" happened.

"It seems to me like 19 amateurs with boxcutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75 percent of their targets, that feels like a conspiracy theory. It raises a lot of questions," Sheen said.

"There was a feeling, it just didn't look any commercial jetliner I've flown on any time in my life and then when the buildings came down later on that day I said to my brother 'call me insane, but did it sorta look like those buildings came down in a controlled demolition'?"

If I was his brother, I would just call him "stupid" but I have to admit his statements were very insightful and we all know he is both an airplane and demolition expert.

[BuddyBear]

For the record, to me the Neocons do not represent the American people, nor does the Israeli far right represent the Jews. These Nazi-like influences should have no place in either people. I have many Jewish friends, but that doesn't mean I'm buying into the cheap manipulation that criticism of Israel equals anti-semitism. If you place any country or people above criticism, it is only human nature that this freedom will be misused. Unfortunately, most Washington politicians consider it career suicide to criticize Israel. The question is why...

Why does AIPAC have a stranglehold on American politics? (yes, our politicians are bought and paid for, on both sides of the aisle). Why do the PNAC and AIPAC seem to be interbred? Their ideologies overlap (Neocons are heavily into US world dominion, and oil. Israeli far right is heavily into becoming the main power in the Middle East), and less than eight months into the Bush administration the game was on; just six weeks after Larry Silverstein purchased a 99-year long leash on the WTC.

Isn't it common sense to take a good look at who had the means and who had the motive? If you can connect the dots to Barry Bonds, by all means enlighten us.

Here is an important link that everyone, and I mean everyone, should read about Israel and the lobby that was written by the dean of the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard and another esteemed professor at the University of Chicago...it's a bit of a long read but it exposes the Israeli lobby for what they are...these people are not American at all.....the people who make up the Israeli lobby could care less about America...all they care about is Israel.....i wish we could deport them to Israel they are all unloyal to what this country stands for.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

[Rounder99]

Wake up!

I have seen the link on loose change. It brings up some interesting points, but it still does not prove anything. People also forget that the fact that the terrorists had fake bombs strapped to themselves, so it was just not a few box cutters as people contend. Also this was an unprecedented type of attack. In the past everyone would do what the terrorist said and eventually they would be let go after some negotiations. The fact that you people believe that the people that died on those planes are still alive and sipping pina coladas somewhere is an insult to those who died on that tragic day. People find it hard to believe that these Arabs planned these attacks and Osama Bin Laden is behind them. Why is that? Didn't they try to blow up the towers in 1994? Why aren't the conspiracy theorists clammering to say that our government planned that? What about the USS Cole? Was the US behind that also? What about the embassies in Kenya and Narobi? Who was behind those? The same person who was behind all of these was also behind 9/11...... are you ready......know who it is?????? OSAMA FREAKING BIN LADEN!!!! What about the fact that we captured Khalid Shek Mohammed and he said that there were supposed to be 10 planes and he also was supposed to pilot one also? Do you honestly believe in todays day and age when our government can not keep secrets from our media,i.e. CIA spies, military campaigns, etc. w/o someone leaking the information and having it show up on CNN. Yet you all believe that the government would be able to pull this off w/o any hard evidence leaking out? Wake up the most simple explanation is probably the best explanation. Here is something else for you people. When you were a kid and presents appeared underneath the tree on Christmas morning it was not Santa Claus it was........ YOUR PARENTS!!!!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7501020220921158523&pl=true

[Ganchrow]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...158523&pl=true

Great clip. Penn & Teller: Bullsh!t is truly a fantastic show.

[Illusion]

I have seen the link on loose change. It brings up some interesting points, but it still does not prove anything. People also forget that the fact that the terrorists had fake bombs strapped to themselves, so it was just not a few box cutters as people contend. Also this was an unprecedented type of attack. In the past everyone would do what the terrorist said and eventually they would be let go after some negotiations. The fact that you people believe that the people that died on those planes are still alive and sipping pina coladas somewhere is an insult to those who died on that tragic day. People find it hard to believe that these Arabs planned these attacks and Osama Bin Laden is behind them. Why is that? Didn't they try to blow up the towers in 1994? Why aren't the conspiracy theorists clammering to say that our government planned that? What about the USS Cole? Was the US behind that also? What about the embassies in Kenya and Narobi? Who was behind those? The same person who was behind all of these was also behind 9/11...... are you ready......know who it is?????? OSAMA FREAKING BIN LADEN!!!! What about the fact that we captured Khalid Shek Mohammed and he said that there were supposed to be 10 planes and he also was supposed to pilot one also? Do you honestly believe in todays day and age when our government can not keep secrets from our media,i.e. CIA spies, military campaigns, etc. w/o someone leaking the information and having it show up on CNN. Yet you all believe that the government would be able to pull this off w/o any hard evidence leaking out? Wake up the most simple explanation is probably the best explanation. Here is something else for you people. When you were a kid and presents appeared underneath the tree on Christmas morning it was not Santa Claus it was........ YOUR PARENTS!!!!!!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...158523&pl=true

All great points and welcome to SBR Rounder.