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  • SharpBoxing
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    #36
    They will have to cut Social Security eventually. No way they will be able to pay for all the entitlements
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    • Tully Mars 63
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      #37
      Originally posted by SharpBoxing
      They will have to cut Social Security eventually. No way they will be able to pay for all the entitlements
      I agree and I say the same thing about military spending. I did a four yr. tour. Both my daughter and her husband are nearing the end of their 2nd and plan to retire from the military in 15-20 yrs. I have absolutely no doubt the military could be cut A LOT without putting the country's safety at risk. There'd be a reduction in the number of out of shape and or incompetent E-6's & O-3's and above I'd suspect. Plus reduce some jobs for defense contractors but hey times are tough all over. But there's a bunch of folks, mostly chicken hawks and REMF desk jockeys who scream and shout at any cuts scaring the crap out of John and Jane Citizen Doe and make it sound like any cut to the military will put their family at risk and/or is a sign of not supporting the troops. Shit just cut out the F-35 program and you could do a lot to reduce DOD costs. The fukking plane costs 110 million with no engine and no weapons system. The DOD wants to order 230 of these things at an end cost of 230 million each. What does that add up to? My math get bad with so many zeros but I think it's 2.53 trillion for a jet we probably don't need.

      Everything needs to be looked at... everything.
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      • KingJD31
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        #38
        Most people stopped paying attention to politics after the election so Obama will be blamed
        Originally posted by dante1
        Mr K, one can't imagine how really stupid they truly are. This situation is much worse than the fiscal deal. Again if the R hold this up some very serious consequences will be felt. Again the R will get the blame, very simple.
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        • KingJD31
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          #39
          Like how most people blamed Obama for everyones tax increase
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          • Emily_Haines
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            #40
            I'd fukking cut the military to zero. Fire every fuk in there and not pay .01 to their pensions or any other benefit. Then I'd take every boat, plane or tank and sell it, using the money to pay down some of the enormous debt.
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            • SharpBoxing
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              #41
              Originally posted by Emily_Haines
              I'd fukking cut the military to zero. Fire every fuk in there and not pay .01 to their pensions or any other benefit. Then I'd take every boat, plane or tank and sell it, using the money to pay down some of the enormous debt.
              I would do that to. The United States can't afford an empire
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              • darrell74
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                #42
                people bitching about their paychecks, already
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                • SharpBoxing
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                  #43
                  Originally posted by darrell74
                  people bitching about their paychecks, already
                  This has nothing to do with Obama. The United States debt problem predates Obama
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                  • SharpBoxing
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                    #44
                    Someone needs to explain Dante that if you have to borrow money to pay of your debt, it means you are officially broke.
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                    • darrell74
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                      #45
                      Originally posted by SharpBoxing
                      This has nothing to do with Obama. The United States debt problem predates Obama
                      then what?
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                      • Tully Mars 63
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                        #46
                        Originally posted by SharpBoxing
                        Someone needs to explain Dante that if you have to borrow money to pay of your debt, it means you are officially broke.

                        It's the American way of life. A lot of countries have no concept of what a mortgage even is while in the US you can finance your birthday party. I saw a TV Ad the other night informing me I could "now borrow enough money to get out of debt completely." Exactly how does that work?
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                        • SharpBoxing
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                          #47
                          Originally posted by Tully Mars 63
                          It's the American way of life. A lot of countries have no concept of what a mortgage even is while in the US you can finance your birthday party. I saw a TV Ad the other night informing me I could "now borrow enough money to get out of debt completely." Exactly how does that work?

                          Lol
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                          • SharpBoxing
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                            #48
                            Originally posted by darrell74
                            then what?
                            Im trying to explain that when the United States cant borrow any more money from foreign countries:

                            - It will either default on its debt and cut all entitlements
                            - Or print money to pay of the debt and pay for entitlements causing hyper inflation.

                            Either way the US economy is screwed
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                            • Tully Mars 63
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                              #49
                              Originally posted by SharpBoxing
                              This has nothing to do with Obama. The United States debt problem predates Obama
                              I wouldn't purpose we get rid of the military entirely. We've spent a lot of time, money and blood pissing a bunch of other countries off. If we had zero military we might find we have more then a few enemies.

                              But I do, as I stated earlier, believe we could cut back a lot. We don't need to be an empire but we clearly have become one or are at a minimum becoming one. If you watched any of the NFL play-off games this weekend you might have caught the networks shout out to the troops serving overseas. You know the one where the announcer boldly states "The NFL is proud to be broadcasting this game and all NFL game on the Armed Forces broadcasting network to our men and women serving in 171 countries around the world." There's only +/- 200 nations in the world can we seriously claim we have a military interest in 171 of them?
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                              • KingJD31
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                                #50
                                Lol yes what a smart idea, most of our allies even hate us and are only allies out of money and fear. I think every other country except Canada,Mexico and some Europe would love the u.s to cut the military enjoy being dead.
                                Originally posted by SharpBoxing
                                I would do that to. The United States can't afford an empire
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                                • darrell74
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                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by SharpBoxing
                                  Im trying to explain that when the United States cant borrow any more money from foreign countries:

                                  - It will either default on its debt and cut all entitlements
                                  - Or print money to pay of the debt and pay for entitlements causing hyper inflation.

                                  Either way the US economy is screwed
                                  but we've had debt since Andrew Jackson

                                  why is Obama coming after the little guy, all of a sudden?
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                                  • Tully Mars 63
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                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by KingJD31
                                    Lol yes what a smart idea, most of our allies even hate us and are only allies out of money and fear. I think every other country except Canada,Mexico and some Europe would love the u.s to cut the military enjoy being dead.
                                    I don't know Mexico's still pretty pissed off about losing Texas and most of the South Western US. We get ris of the entire DOD they might try to at least get the Alamo back. On the bright side I guess we'd get to see how well all those heavily arm Texans stack up against a nation with a somewhat actual military. A military equipped largely by the US ironically.
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                                    • Tully Mars 63
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                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by darrell74
                                      but we've had debt since Andrew Jackson

                                      why is Obama coming after the little guy, all of a sudden?
                                      How is he "coming after the little guy?"
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                                      • darrell74
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                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by Tully Mars 63
                                        How is he "coming after the little guy?"
                                        taxes are up on everybody's paychecks

                                        how else are you gonna go after the little guy?
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                                        • Tully Mars 63
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                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by darrell74
                                          taxes are up on everybody's paychecks

                                          how else are you gonna go after the little guy?
                                          I thought Obama's plan was to keep everyone's tax rate the same if they earn less then 450K?
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                                          • darrell74
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                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by Tully Mars 63
                                            I thought Obama's plan was to keep everyone's tax rate the same if they earn less then 450K?
                                            thats what i thought
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                                            • Tully Mars 63
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                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by darrell74
                                              thats what i thought
                                              So then how is Obama going after the little guy? Or are little guys making over 450K now?
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                                              • rkelly110
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                                                #58
                                                The little guy got screwed when that $20 a week that couldn't fill their tank, was done away with and is going
                                                back into Medicare from which it came. I'm sure when the hill sees what it will do to the economy, they will
                                                do something about it.
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                                                • Tully Mars 63
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                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by rkelly110
                                                  The little guy got screwed when that $20 a week that couldn't fill their tank, was done away with and is going
                                                  back into Medicare from which it came. I'm sure when the hill sees what it will do to the economy, they will
                                                  do something about it.
                                                  $20 week is going to put people in the poor house or destroy the economy? I guess we're in worse shape then I thought.

                                                  Also my check(s) didn't go down any is this something I can look forward to starting in Feb?
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                                                  • rkelly110
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                                                    #60
                                                    You might not get anything if the Repubs threaten to shut down the govt over the debt ceiling.

                                                    We already had a shitty holiday, taking money out of paychecks might have a psychological impact
                                                    on people buying stuff, which would hurt the economy. Suzzy Orman was on CNN saying, don't spend.
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                                                    • SharpBoxing
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                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by rkelly110
                                                      You might not get anything if the Repubs threaten to shut down the govt over the debt ceiling.

                                                      We already had a shitty holiday, taking money out of paychecks might have a psychological impact
                                                      on people buying stuff, which would hurt the economy. Suzzy Orman was on CNN saying, don't spend.
                                                      America is broke. The people are broke and government is broke. You need to stop spending
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                                                      • SharpBoxing
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                                                        #62
                                                        People need to understand that the USA needs and will have a deep recession.

                                                        All the borrowing and spendeing, money printing, stimulus, ... doesn't avoid the recession. All it does is POSTPONE the recession and make it bigger. The sooner you get your recession the beter.
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                                                        • SharpBoxing
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                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by darrell74
                                                          but we've had debt since Andrew Jackson

                                                          why is Obama coming after the little guy, all of a sudden?
                                                          Thats not true. For THE most part of the 20 century the USA was the largest creditor in the world
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                                                          • hockey216
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                                                            #64
                                                            technically since the advent of the printing press, and since a provision in the constitution allows it, couldn't the government just print the money? That's why sovereign debt (when country has own currency) is referred to as default free
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                                                            • Tully Mars 63
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                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by hockey216
                                                              technically since the advent of the printing press, and since a provision in the constitution allows it, couldn't the government just print the money? That's why sovereign debt (when country has own currency) is referred to as default free
                                                              To some extent we're doing that now but there's a limit. Go over that limit and bad things follow. I think part of the problem is there is no set limit or line and it's different for each country. But countries that have crossed that limit or line have had their currency downgraded and hyperinflation quickly follows. Basically your currency has to be wroth something on the foreign exchange market or you're going to have problems.
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                                                              • SharpBoxing
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                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by hockey216
                                                                technically since the advent of the printing press, and since a provision in the constitution allows it, couldn't the government just print the money? That's why sovereign debt (when country has own currency) is referred to as default free
                                                                Never heard of hyperinflation?
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                                                                • SharpBoxing
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                                                                  #67
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