What do you say now you gun loving freaks?

[jbart28]

ABE,

Don't worry buddy. As an American Citizen who packs heat everywhere I go, I would never save your ass if you were in a bad spot. I would watch you die you piece of garbage libtard

[McBa1n]

Gun control has 0 to do with the issue. Not having universal health/mental care is EVERYTHING. What, a semi-auto AR 15 vs a Glock vs a 370? Who gives a shite. They all take time to reload. People died. **** that ************ that went off the cliff. There's help out there, if you have money. If you don't? Well, not so much. We question WHY because this nation, or more importantly, the (R) party will NOT recognize mental issues as part of health - read up on google. They cockblocked any type of said legislation more than you will in the next year talking up some stripper and praying she'll give you a knobber just ONE time for 50 bux.

Gun control does NOT solve the issue, no matter what anyone says. There have been crazy people LONG before the bible started (which is crazy, although, there is proof of this - EVEN in the US OMGZZZ), that wanted to be famous - they became warlords. In today's age? They are just famous. Naming the killer is a media's systematic issue. I can't remember his name, norst do I want to. I hope that rooster_eater that played Rainbow Six on innocents gets not only incinerated, I hope he gets tortured like we do to Muslims in this nation (sorry, Muslims are WRONGLY singled out - f, the 9/11 guys were mostly Saudis and we did 0 but suck Saudi's dick).

Thing is, crazy is crazy. This IS an act of war on our country. I don't think we need to go start a war, ala Iraq over it, but we DO need to rethink what mental health is in the healthcare debate. If it costs insurance companies 1 billion/year to save ONLY 1 life, then it's worth it. Life should NEVER be about profit. F - these forums have the most hard-headed retards EVER created, but when you look in the mirror - there's something INCREDIBLY wrong, be it booze or gambling or WHATEVER. The systems in place are just not GOOD enough - and you can blame the (R) Party on that and a bunch of pussy (D) members of congress. Mental health IS a healthcare issue - THAT is the issue - not guns.

Even if we had 'tight' gun control laws, same thing happens in Colorado yesterday. A good law-abiding citizen bought the guns legally. What's to blame? Who knows, the guy is mental - but yet, for the mental, they have to pay 100 bux/hour to try to help them. Who REALLY is at fault? There are Professionals that will listen... But they are not part of the conversation - this is AHMERICA F YEAH - shut up, do what your told and don't be funny, make your money (I met a guy in the former USSR that said that to me when I visited Moscow pre-coup).
It'd be better if we cared for our countrymen - and not 1 guy, ALL of them. We can do that, so long as we tax the right people (the rich) and don't start wars that don't mean shiteall to our national security (Iraq/Afganistan).

Thing is, we all die, but NONE of us want to go out like that. Love your neighbor, even if you disagree with them. That's a (R) statement. Don't say it - but live it, which is a non-partisan statement. I mourn for human kind when you blame the gun and not the society built around them - that's DRIVEN by hate. Not saying fox-knuckleheadism had anything to do with this, but that mentality DOES. Save 1 life 1 time, it could be family. Hate does not create progress. Shitty-arse compromise does, though. This kid needed help. If he had a chance to get it? Think of the lives that could've been saved. 1 life dying before they SHOULD is not a partisan issue, it's a human one.

That's what pisses me off about these forums. They could give a rats ass for any human - because they'll be a millionaire some day. When you are, let us know. Of course you won't, you won't be the same douche starting most of these mental threads on the forums - you'll be hanging out with Jay Z drinking whatever costs the most all night!!!

Face it. We ALL die. Vote for your interest, not what you THINK you might be 1 time (i.e. vote outside the R/D system). The system does not recognize our flaws - the SYSTEM ignores the American worker - and we did this with our votes and our purchases.

[itchypickle]

Itchy, not the most brilliant post I've seen of yours {If laws against murder do not stop someone from shooting someone, then surely taking guns out of society will not deter much of anything. Why punish millions and spend hundreds of millions of $$ trying to eliminate the hundreds of millions of weapons in circulation when it will not make a difference in the ACTIONS OF PEOPLE. **

It's called "saving citizens lives!" Also, eliminate 95% of the guns and only the criminals will have the other 5%. I love those odds!
Also, that other bonus--remember, that thing called drugs, the one that is ripping the insides of this country apart--well they take a major hit if guns are extremely hard to obtain, plus the penalty being very strong against gun possession, too. Hey, how about a cleaner-drug-free society? Empty those former drug'ie cells and put the illegal gun owners in there. There will be plenty of room, then.

You've discounted China results for some unknown reason? Explain to me why we cannot do as China does? Please don't give me that same alibi; the 2nd amendment bs. Maybe you should simply admit, I love guns and want to keep mine, whatever the cost of innocent lives?

So your position is to take away the weapons of the law abiding gun owners and just let the criminals and the cops be the only ones with weapons? Yeah, that'll work

China is not the best parallel to prop up since their society isn't the same as ours...not discounting the info you posted but simply saying its not the best gauge.

I don't have to simply admit anything in relation to gun rights, yes I own several and no I am not a criminal. Innocent lives will be take regardless of guns or not...sad reality but a reality nonetheless....violence is violence Abe, assholes will be assholes...focus on that and not look the other way because they use one tool over another.

[jbart28]

Abe is a fuking idiot. ABE, LET'S TAKE AWAY LIQUOR AND ALCOHOL SO NODOBY WILL HAVE IT....OH WAIT

TYPICAL LEFTY PACIFIST f\*g

[jbart28]

Obama's hometown has strict anti gun laws for law abiding citizens....How is that working out abe?

All of your democratic voting black people who are criminals have all the guns and guess what.....

They lead the WORLD in GUN CRIMES and GUN HOMICIDES...WHY IS THAT? They have great gun laws that don't do shi t

[Mr KLC]

If there was gun control, I wouldn't be able to enjoy scenes like this:

Yeah, gun control would have saved the day in this situation. I'm sure those robbers would never have found there guns in some sort of underground sale. Everyone would have been guaranteed of not being hurt in this ordeal.

Raw footage:

[Tully Mars 63]

I'm lost I thought Abe was a Ron Paul guy? Isn't that whole movement about following the Constitution getting the government out of peoples lives and personal rights?

This whole thing reminds me of the Tuscan incident. Dude lost his freaking mind and went nuts and shot a bunch of people. I notice at least two right leaning sites yesterday claiming the guy had Dem or occupy Wall St. connections. Maybe he did maybe he didn't. Even if he did I doubt it caused him to paint his hair red, walk into a crowded theater and start shooting people.

As for the argument we should be making laws to restrict assault rifles and armor piercing rounds. Personally I like owning those things. The dude that shot up the theater was wearing body armor. What if someone tries to force their way onto my property or into my house and they have body armor? I like having the option to stop them. My guess is it will never happen. But in this case I believe in the "better to have and not need then need and not have" school of thought. I mean I have several fire extinguishers in my home but I've never had a house fire.

The bottom line is getting rid of guns in the US is as likely as getting rid of porn or gambling. You could outlaw them but you'll never get rid of it. If there's a high degree of likelihood the meth heads down the street have weapons I'm going to be keeping my guns.

[Thor4140]

ABE,

Don't worry buddy. As an American Citizen who packs heat everywhere I go, I would never save your ass if you were in a bad spot. I would watch you die you piece of garbage libtard

Some interesting give and take and then this asshole has to chime in with his garbage

[dante1]

Well Dante, the majority of people in this country, who believe in a civilized society, will have to make some noise. Why would a high percentage of republicans "want" guns so fervently distributed to our families? I've heard that theory, but I am skeptical that most republicans are really that naive.

Yes, I lean to Foxnews and the right, but only because of the pitiful candidates I've seen from the Democrat Party for 30 years. Remember, Clinton, Obama, Gore, and the rest of the clan [Pelosi]. So, I give the responsibility to them for me not voting for any Demo since L.B.Johnson.

And you're telling me that only a majority of democrats know gun control is the right path?

Don't know. But what I am telling you is certain minorities in the R party are at the very least making a huge amount of noise and are wagging the dog. That includes the NRA. My God, they are still bitchin and moanin that O is going to take away their guns when in reality nobody is even discussing the issue. If they are crazy now just imagine how they will wind up the R if a conversation ever starts.

So yes the majority of people wanting gun control are definitely D. I personally don't know if that is the answer or if there is any answer. Crazy people kill and I am not sure legislation will help.

[rkelly110]

ABE,

Don't worry buddy. As an American Citizen who packs heat everywhere I go, I would never save your ass if you were in a bad spot. I would watch you die you piece of garbage libtard

OOOO, would you shoot me if I bashed your drunken pussy (for carrying a gun) head up against the wall?
Big and bad with a gun. Put it away and talk your silly shit out in the real world, not behind the key board.
Puss.

[ABEHONEST]

Add all these negatives responses up and it tells you that most gun totters would not want a working law such as China!
They will put up with total massacres in order to possess their little friends. America is about more selfish citizens than ever in our history. She's on the road to destruction and the blind ones turn a blind eye to those facts.
Enjoy your abundance of guns, and maybe, just maybe, you can be lucky enough to be like the old [fkn nut] fart in the heroic video. The guy wasn't going to take any bs so he reaches for his little friend, and 100%, wanted to 'kill" both of these young fools. Did I read that they had no previous record?

Did anyone have enough nerve to understand that our "free," USA, is killing[with gun homicides] 30 times the rate In huge China. Someone can refute those odds if you can prove it. Carry on...with your little friends and I'll just have to keep a closer eye on any gun-crazed owners.

[dante1]

Abe, I understand your frustrations, I too have the same frustrations. Why Americans feel they need to have weapons that can fire at a rate of 100's per minute makes no sense to me. When they argue that we must be armed in case we need to revolt is utterly and completely stupid. Very few revolutions succeed without the backing of the army. So good luck militias in over throwing an army. The truth is they want those weapons and nobody can question them.

[ABEHONEST]

Dante, thanks for one of the very few sense-making views.

[Tully Mars 63]

Itchy, not the most brilliant post I've seen of yours {If laws against murder do not stop someone from shooting someone, then surely taking guns out of society will not deter much of anything. Why punish millions and spend hundreds of millions of $$ trying to eliminate the hundreds of millions of weapons in circulation when it will not make a difference in the ACTIONS OF PEOPLE. **

It's called "saving citizens lives!" Also, eliminate 95% of the guns and only the criminals will have the other 5%. I love those odds!
Also, that other bonus--remember, that thing called drugs, the one that is ripping the insides of this country apart--well they take a major hit if guns are extremely hard to obtain, plus the penalty being very strong against gun possession, too. Hey, how about a cleaner-drug-free society? Empty those former drug'ie cells and put the illegal gun owners in there. There will be plenty of room, then.

You've discounted China results for some unknown reason? Explain to me why we cannot do as China does? Please don't give me that same alibi; the 2nd amendment bs. Maybe you should simply admit, I love guns and want to keep mine, whatever the cost of innocent lives?

So basically you want the US to be more like China? Maybe we can start telling people how many children they can have too.

[ABEHONEST]

So basically you want the US to be more like China? Maybe we can start telling people how many children they can have too.

Maybe China is simply too much smarter than we are? You believe the USA is not overpopulated? We are overpopulated with way too many uneducated, ignorant people, and criminals. Have you visited our prisons lately? Drugs, guns, electronic games 24/7.

China has 4 times our population and about the same size territorially, I believe? China is doing what's best for it's citizens, long-term. I call that highly intelligent. Is the USA looking long-term? Drugs, gun massacres, gang-land wars, food-stamps for a high percentage of lazy citizens, probably have the fattest citizens worldwide, and less educated citizens than most large countries[especially quality]. I would like to also compare their prison population to ours. I bet we win that one? Wanna bet?

Presently, the good ol' USA is fkd!

[andywend]

So basically you want the US to be more like China? Maybe we can start telling people how many children they can have too.

That is the MOST IMPORTANT THING our country should start doing.

As a part of any government public assistance program, there should be some sort of provision that those collecting it can NOT have any children while on public assistance. As it is now, these freeloaders are PAID to have more children who are practically guaranteed to spend their 18th birthday waiting on line at the social services office.

Birth control procedures should be a REQUIREMENT to ensure that those who can NOT take care of themselves financially have no children. To those who do NOT want to submit to a birth control procedure, that is fine but the government assistance checks must STOP.

To all those that oppose this idea, please explain why its a good idea for those collecting welfare to have more and more children?

[dante1]

That is the MOST IMPORTANT THING our country should start doing.

As a part of any government public assistance program, there should be some sort of provision that those collecting it can NOT have any children while on public assistance. As it is now, these freeloaders are PAID to have more children who are practically guaranteed to spend their 18th birthday waiting on line at the social services office.

Birth control procedures should be a REQUIREMENT to ensure that those who can NOT take care of themselves financially have no children. To those who do NOT want to submit to a birth control procedure, that is fine but the government assistance checks must STOP.

To all those that oppose this idea, please explain why its a good idea for those collecting welfare to have more and more children?

This is a great idea, however I think it was attempted before. The name of that country is on the tip of my tongue, let me see, let me remember. Oh yeah, it started around the 1930's in a very beautiful European country. At the time they were considered the most educated and sophisticated country in the world. Let me continue thinking. Oh yeah they had snappy uniforms and sang beautiful marching songs, their leader had some funny hair on his lip. Geez, I just can't remember the name of that country. It will come to me.

Great idea.

[andywend]

If it costs insurance companies 1 billion/year to save ONLY 1 life, then it's worth it.

This is the ONLY THING liberal democrats do well:

SPEND OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY

You will hear people like McBain talk like this but it meant having to part with HIS OWN MONEY, he wouldn't spend 2 plugged nickels.

McBain, reading your post #37 made me absolutely sick and I can tell from reading it that you pay very little to no income tax.

YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SPEND OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY DOES NOT MAKE YOU A COMPASSIONATE PERSON.

[andywend]

This is a great idea, however I think it was attempted before. The name of that country is on the tip of my tongue, let me see, let me remember. Oh yeah, it started around the 1930's in a very beautiful European country. At the time they were considered the most educated and sophisticated country in the world. Let me continue thinking. Oh yeah they had snappy uniforms and sang beautiful marching songs, their leader had some funny hair on his lip. Geez, I just can't remember the name of that country. It will come to me.

Great idea.

Dante, please explain IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE why its a good idea for people collecting government assistance to have more children? If they can't support themselves without help from the taxpayers, then what business do they have bringing more children into this world?

Something needs to be done and before you criticize my idea, come up with something yourself that doesn't include blaming Bush or increasing taxes on the wealthy.

YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SPEND OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY DOES NOT MAKE YOU A COMPASSIONATE PERSON.

[dante1]

Dante, please explain IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE why its a good idea for people collecting government assistance to have more children? If they can't support themselves without help from the taxpayers, then what business do they have bringing more children into this world?

Something needs to be done and before you criticize my idea, come up with something yourself that doesn't include blaming Bush or increasing taxes on the wealthy.

YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SPEND OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY DOES NOT MAKE YOU A COMPASSIONATE PERSON.

Andy on occasion I truly cannot discern if you are being serious.

And collective money is not "other people's money" Andy. And who pray tell are you to decide who may have children and who may not. So in your mind if a person is not a productive member of society maybe we should just kill them. We certainly can't let them have kids, well we will kill their kids then. This is how Eugenics started Andy. This is how Nazi Germany got a foot hold Andy. Crazy people like you with crazy ideas convincing other crazy people.

[andywend]

And collective money is not "other people's money" Andy.

If collective money is not "other people's money" then that must mean you believe its YOUR MONEY. This statement shows how insane those on the left really are.

If a person chooses not to be productive for themselves and the country, that is their right. However, I believe they should NOT be rewarded for this and you believe they should.

I believe that people who can NOT afford to financially support themselves should NOT be having more and more children. You believe that they should and expect others to foot the bill for it.

Crazy people with crazy ideas = You have described yourself perfectly.

Have the last word as I am no longer interested in continuing this discussion.

[ABEHONEST]

When you have this much freedom in our country, something sooner or later has to be given up!
How about your cigarette smoking? That's slowly dying out, especially in private group gatherings.

To maintain a strong lasting country, citizens are going to have give and change with the times and sacrifice some freedoms. Who but the wealthy can afford 5 kids, or even 3 kids in one family? That birth limit law is inevitable and it's going to happen, unless you figure out some way to slow down your population growth. Maybe a slick terrorists can find a way? Most likely another inevitable happening.

Some freedoms must die in order for other freedoms to manifest.

Quick note on the massacre: This picture is something gun owners should never ever want to see again. This is a sorrowful family tragedy. Look at this excruciating pain.

[Tully Mars 63]

Maybe China is simply too much smarter than we are? You believe the USA is not overpopulated? We are overpopulated with way too many uneducated, ignorant people, and criminals. Have you visited our prisons lately? Drugs, guns, electronic games 24/7.

China has 4 times our population and about the same size territorially, I believe? China is doing what's best for it's citizens, long-term. I call that highly intelligent. Is the USA looking long-term? Drugs, gun massacres, gang-land wars, food-stamps for a high percentage of lazy citizens, probably have the fattest citizens worldwide, and less educated citizens than most large countries[especially quality]. I would like to also compare their prison population to ours. I bet we win that one? Wanna bet?

Presently, the good ol' USA is fkd!

Why in the world do you support Ron Paul?

[ABEHONEST]

Why in the world do you support Ron Paul?

I did support him. That's history. However, I did support him because I thought he was the smartest, the most honest, and the most courageous. How about that Tully ol' boy?
You're not going to shoot me are you?

[subs]

sad sad day again and again and again. take the guns away, stupid.

[McBa1n]

That is the MOST IMPORTANT THING our country should start doing.

As a part of any government public assistance program, there should be some sort of provision that those collecting it can NOT have any children while on public assistance. As it is now, these freeloaders are PAID to have more children who are practically guaranteed to spend their 18th birthday waiting on line at the social services office.

Birth control procedures should be a REQUIREMENT to ensure that those who can NOT take care of themselves financially have no children. To those who do NOT want to submit to a birth control procedure, that is fine but the government assistance checks must STOP.

To all those that oppose this idea, please explain why its a good idea for those collecting welfare to have more and more children?

You may have not been born under said circumstances, sir. Your opinions are so f'n mental, as a human, you'd think your mom is ALSO your sister. I may be wrong, but I really doubt it. Also, your caucus doesn't want birth control norst abortion. You can't have it both ways, jackalope. Sorry, your ideals stink and so do your opinions - they are ANTI freedom. In a free world, you can make as many kids as you want. What way to you want it? Just vote "Hitler" and you may get there, sir. I strongly believe that you're of that belief, in spite of the fact your mom is also your sister, most likely. No one is that stupid or afraid. If you are, then I feel horrible for you. You shite and it stinks and you will also die, like everyone else. Get over it.

[McBa1n]

If collective money is not "other people's money" then that must mean you believe its YOUR MONEY. This statement shows how insane those on the left really are.

If a person chooses not to be productive for themselves and the country, that is their right. However, I believe they should NOT be rewarded for this and you believe they should.

I believe that people who can NOT afford to financially support themselves should NOT be having more and more children. You believe that they should and expect others to foot the bill for it.

Crazy people with crazy ideas = You have described yourself perfectly.

Have the last word as I am no longer interested in continuing this discussion.

Man, you have 0 idea what is going on. You speak in terms of a 'utopia', which is highly Karl Marx (or Hitler, seriously). Stop being afraid that you're likely white, inbred and also will be a minority in 20 years. That's life when you support an agenda that NEEDS illegal immigrants/slavery to support itself. That agenda died - oh I don't know - over a CENTURY ago. The North won. GET over it. I also want YOU to start paying (just in case) the guy that makes the roads, has a police dept and fire dept - that way you are protected when you sleep. If you're not direct paying, then you're a socialist, like the rest of us. In fact - you SHOULD pay EVERY time you use a US road with your opinions - because if you USE a US road, you are, in effect, a socialist. Get over yourself and your mental retardation, sir. Learn how it works and lay off the (R) wing media. You're crazy, man. Not only are you crazy, you're a hypocrit if you leave your house at ANY time to use a road.

I know I'm right. I know your arguments, heck, 0 of them are well thought out norst OF YOUR OWN. I can cite via google every opinion you have. It's almost stupid debating you - but I just want you to WAKE UP. But then again, you're probably sitting on millions and have all the answers, if not, you're a shill for those people and get over yourself, sir. If you're not a millionaire, your positions are mental. Again, use ANY public service (including roads) and then start talking crap. You, sir, are a socialist, just like EVERYONE else. You don't have your own private military - that's the US's Military. You use a tax break? SOCIALIST.

Seriously, learn what's going on in your town - it's ALL socialist and beyond that - you USE it. What you are looking for is a NOT free AMERICA - and that's something you say I don't believe in. Sucker. You pay taxes, sir. We need each other to get by and you're not gonna be a millionaire. STFU and get off the pot, really tired of you hate mongering 'Dictatorists'.

If you understand capitalism, in ANY form, there is ALWAYS a lower class - in today's America, there is a tiny 'middle' class. If you can't figure out WHY that happens, then you 1- are the dumbest person debating on these forums or 2- you just hate anyone that isn't successful, which is a VAST majority of Americans under the current regimes/congress.

You, sir, I challenge you a second time to take a minimum wage job - and report back to us.
You won't take the challenge and yet you decry against EVERY AMERICAN that takes care of you. Seriously, you've lost the plot, big boy.

[subs]

Dante, please explain IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE why its a good idea for people collecting government assistance to have more children? If they can't support themselves without help from the taxpayers, then what business do they have bringing more children into this world?

Something needs to be done and before you criticize my idea, come up with something yourself that doesn't include blaming Bush or increasing taxes on the wealthy.

YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SPEND OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY DOES NOT MAKE YOU A COMPASSIONATE PERSON.

lol, but ur idea of forcing operations on people is?

i'd call it pure evil

[Balco10]

Obama gets another term and the and amendment is AX!

[Tully Mars 63]

I did support him. That's history. However, I did support him because I thought he was the smartest, the most honest, and the most courageous. How about that Tully ol' boy?
You're not going to shoot me are you?

What about me? Who do I support? Right now I wish I lived in Nevada so I could vote "none of the above." As far as I know they're the only state with that as a real option. I get a non-resident ballet and might just write that in.

Shoot you? Why would I do that? I hoping to get through life without shooting anyone. So far so good. Would I shoot someone to protect myself or my loved ones, absolutely.

[ABEHONEST]

Just a bit of humor there, Tully!
I should have added that my choice was also the most experienced, by far. America wanted someone they can relate to better. Watch and see the lesser choice for President, than the very best that was offered.
Gutsy politicians like Paul are a rare breed, and you may not see another for 50 years. Why? Oh, we want one of those commercialized candidates; the ones that are so politically correct.

[Andy117]

Obama gets another term and the and amendment is AX!

Just how do you think he'll be able to pull that off?

[MonkeyF0cker]

Itchy, not the most brilliant post I've seen of yours {If laws against murder do not stop someone from shooting someone, then surely taking guns out of society will not deter much of anything. Why punish millions and spend hundreds of millions of $$ trying to eliminate the hundreds of millions of weapons in circulation when it will not make a difference in the ACTIONS OF PEOPLE. **

It's called "saving citizens lives!" Also, eliminate 95% of the guns and only the criminals will have the other 5%. I love those odds!

What odds do you love? The chance of you being able to defend yourself against a criminal of about 0%? Or the 100% certainty that you'd be defenseless against a criminal wielding a gun?

Also, that other bonus--remember, that thing called drugs, the one that is ripping the insides of this country apart--well they take a major hit if guns are extremely hard to obtain, plus the penalty being very strong against gun possession, too. Hey, how about a cleaner-drug-free society? Empty those former drug'ie cells and put the illegal gun owners in there. There will be plenty of room, then.

So you think the only reason that people have drug problems is because of guns? Seriously?

What planet are you living on?

[ABEHONEST]

Hmm, this monkey must be living in Antarctica? Little chilly there, ain't it?
No guns to worry about, though!

[MonkeyF0cker]

I don't worry about guns. You do.

I have a concealed carry permit. Not a worry in the world.