The Yankees without Mariano Rivera is like _ without _

[boeing power]

SBR without jjgold.

What you got?

[HoulihansTX]

Any other team with their F'nnn closer. Its three outs, not three innings.

[Dad]

JJGold has a lot of heart though. Rermember when he was injured? I think he was out for like one day and then it was back to posting.

[boeing power]

Ttwarrior without Doritos

[antifoil]

david robertson appears to be as good as rivera if not better. he has a higher strikeout rate than rivera at this point in their careers and seems to pitch just as effectively.

[jjgold]

With Yanks the injury does not mean much now

Yanks are an average team, Rivera older, minor loss actually

[boeing power]

With Yanks the injury does not mean much now

Yanks are an average team, Rivera older, minor loss actually

Thats not the point of thread...lol

[boeing power]

The yanks without Rivera is like Opie without Texas .

[HoulihansTX]

Cool, I will play along....

The internet, without Porn.

[boeing power]

Lol,Ty

Havent seen tittywarrior today so somebody had to start a dumb thread.

[antifoil]

opie has been exposed as a jetta driving virginian

[dom75]

Is like a "kitty" not engulfing my "rooster".

[beermankirk]

Beastie Boys with no Adam. RIP

[jbart28]

Kim Kardashian without a big fat ass

[Ghenghis Kahn]

horse without a cokk

[rsnnh12]

The Colts without Peyton

[baskets]

... is like boeing power without a dick in his ass?




I think we've got a winner, folks.

[mynameismud]

a bong without chronic.

[stevenash]

david robertson appears to be as good as rivera if not better. he has a higher strikeout rate than rivera at this point in their careers and seems to pitch just as effectively.

This post is so wrong on so many levels.

[antifoil]

go for it, but you have to use statistical data.

[boeing power]

Funny stuff baskets,
why the hate? I'm white and won't be voting for Obama.

[stevenash]

@antifoil

OK, Rivera by the end of his third full season in the majors had seven post season saves, in his rookie year he was setting up Wetteland to perfection, Robertson has a 5.00 + ERA in the post season so far in his career, and in 2010 Texas made him his personal meat puppet.

Your turn

[antifoil]

lol saves. i am not having a discussion with someone about baseball that mentions saves to prove a point.

[stevenash]

also at @antifoil
What numbers in Robertson's first three seasons suggest he's more efficient than Mo?

2008	23	NYY	AL	4	0	1.000	5.34	25	0	8	0	0	0	30.1	29	18	18	3	15	2	36	0	0	6	131	83	1.451	8.6	0.9	4.5	10.7	2.40
2009	24	NYY	AL	2	1	.667	3.30	45	0	20	0	0	1	43.2	36	19	16	4	23	1	63	1	0	6	191	140	1.351	7.4	0.8	4.7	13.0	2.74
2010	25	NYY	AL	4	5	.444	3.82	64	0	10	0	0	1	61.1	59	26	26	5	33	6	71	3	2	7	273	114	1.500	8.7	0.7	4.8	10.4	2.15
2011	26	NYY	AL	4	0	1.000	1.08	70	0	8	0	0	1	66.2	40	9	8	1	35	6	100	1	1	6	272	407	1.125	5.4	0.1	4.7	13.5	2.86	AS,CYA-11,MVP-22
2012	27	NYY	AL	0	0		0.00	11	0	2	0	0	0	11.0	7	0	0	0	3	0	18	0	0	0	42		0.909	5.7	0.0	2.5	14.7	6.00
5 Yrs				14	6	.700	2.87	215	0	48	0	0	3	213.0	171	72	68	13	109	15	288	5	3	25	909	154	1.315	7.2	0.5	4.6	12.2	2.64
162 Game Avg.				4	2	.700	2.87	68	0	15	0	0	1	67	54	23	22	4	34	5	91	2	1	8	287	154	1.315	7.2	0.5	4.6	12.2	2.64

[stevenash]

lol saves. i am not having a discussion with someone about baseball that mentions saves to prove a point.

Dude, I'll bury you in any baseball debate. Feel free to go head to head with me handicapping too.

[stevenash]

lol saves. i am not having a discussion with someone about baseball that mentions saves to prove a point.

lol I'm having a debate with someone who thinks strikeouts are key.

[antifoil]

yeah the more you strikeout players the less they are able to hit it in the field of play. strikeout rate is important.

[rm18]

Robertson stole Rivera's cutter and put it into a young body with more variety he is better

[stevenash]

go for it, but you have to use statistical data.

Comapare Mo's WHIP ratio to Robertson's WHIP ratio.

Allow me to give you a brief education, WHIP ratio measures how many base runners a pitcher allows.
In baseball, this is very important, because the less base runners you allow, the less the opposing team can score.
I can't dumb it down anymore for you. Robertson's base runner ratio at this point in his career is far more inferior that Mo's
Not even close.

[antifoil]

whip is not a good stat either. it doesn't take into account the total bases of each hit. it is better to look at the components that make up the whip. like HR/9, walk rate, strikeout rate, and total bases per hit.

you are adding in the walks(which is bad) but not adding in the strikeouts(which is better than a ball in play).

[stevenash]

whip is not a good stat either. it doesn't take into account the total bases of each hit. it is better to look at the components that make up the whip. like HR/9, walk rate, strikeout rate, and total bases per hit.

Walk rate? You want to talk walk rate? Robertson walks almost 5 per 9. Mo, less than half that!

Components of WHIP ratio? The components are walks and hits. Robertson allows so many walks + hits than Mo. Demonstrability more.

Stop it, just stop now, Robertson strikes out about 11 per nine, but walks almost 5 per nine, Mo strikes out about nine per nine, but walks about 2 per nine.

Robertson is wasting pitches with walks and strikeouts, the fact of the matter is, he needs the strikeout to bail himself out of the walks he allows.

[antifoil]

no doubt he walks more but he strikes out more so on seasons where there is a unlucky babip number it won't hurt him in the fip and, if you want, the era department.

also i think his strikeout was at like 13 last season not 11.

[stevenash]

no doubt he walks more but he strikes out more so on seasons where there is a unlucky babip number it won't hurt him in the fip and, if you want, the era department.

also i think his strikeout was at like 13 last season not 11.

It was like 10 one year, 13 another year, I'm averaging to be it at about 11
batted ball in play stats are skewed if a pitcher is a walk or strikeout pitcher. Ever hear the 100 year old adage 'walks are as good as hits"
You can't use BABIP arguing a stikeout/walk pitcher, plus BABIP is primarily used to measure hitting more than pitching

Long story short, the only stat that Robertson has Mo in, is strikeouts. That's it, end of story.
Now let's talk intangibles, who do you want on the mound in a one run postseason game, a game where the outcome probably

[stevenash]

whip is not a good stat either.

Also this is a ridiculous statement.
It's probably the most important stat.

[antifoil]

batted balls can't be skewed by walks and strikeouts because they aren't batted balls.

i am saying in a year where the pitcher is unlucky and has a higher babip, the strikeout rate will continue to keep his era down because they are balls not hit. i am not sure what you mean babip is used to measure hitting more than pitching because the general understanding is hitters have a better ability to determine where the ball goes than does a pitcher. which is why ichiro continues to have one over .330 or whatever it is each year.

robertson has him in WAR, fip, era, HR/9(i doubt robertson can repeat his .14 HR/9 though. that shit is crazy). the only thing he doesn't have him in is walk rate.

i do not talk intangibles because they are not measurable and generally the sample size is too small to make accurate judgements. in this instance we don't know how good david robertson would be in those situations because we don't have a good measure. so at best this is inconclusive. people are just guessing and using selective memory on positive outcomes. if you have found a way to predict intangibles in your handicapping you have found a holy grail.