God does not exist

[pavyracer]

If he was man enough God would have let Hamilton win the HR derby. I am still waiting for someone to prove me wrong.

[Panic]

Simple. God hates you, Pavy.

[accuscoresucks]

lol..pavvy

always up for some good debate

i didnt even watch it but i heard

[moneyline]

Actually, those that believe in God give Him the thanks and glory when they win ... and when they lose ... because they know they would not even be there to compete without Him.

A lesson you seem slow in learning, Pavy. That's too bad.

[Panic]

Moneyline, I knew you would be here in a second when this thread went up.

[moneyline]

I'd have thought you would have known Pavy would start yet another thread on this topic. You didn't know that?

[pavyracer]

What kind of God will let his prodigal son lose the HR derby to a Canadian at Yankee stadium of all places?

God does not bless America.

[moneyline]

Nah, but He blesses you. And that, more than anything else, is a tribute to His greatness. It must be quite sad to be you, Pavy.

[donjuan]

Please stop with the Moneyline baiting. We've already established that he's a loony religious nutjob.

[smitch124]

God does not back favorites...

[dwaechte]

Please stop with the Moneyline baiting. We've already established that he's a loony religious nutjob.

A statement like that from donjuan... shocking.

[moneyline]

Believing in God and Jesus = religious nutjob.

Must be because DonJuan hasn't been given a big enough sample size.

[MonkeyF0cker]

What the hell is a Bible thumper doing on a handicapping site anyway? You know you're going to burn in Hell for gambling, don't you?

[thezbar]

What the hell is a Bible thumper doing on a handicapping site anyway? You know you're going to burn in Hell for gambling, don't you?

God is the ultimate gambler

[WileOut]

Please stop with the Moneyline baiting. We've already established that he's a loony religious nutjob.

75% of the people in the USA not only believe in god but are Christians.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/us.html

95% of the people that I know personally fall into this category as well. Not every Christian is Bill Frist. Some Christians are Bill Clinton. Make that MOST Christians are Bill Clinton.

[WileOut]

What the hell is a Bible thumper doing on a handicapping site anyway? You know you're going to burn in Hell for gambling, don't you?

A very common misconseption of non-christians is that Christians go to hell for their sins. Thats the whole point. If you are a real Christian that simply means that you believe in Jesus as lord and savior. It doesnt mean you are sinless. And as a Christian, we believe that if you accept Jesus as lord and savior you will go to heaven when you die, even though you are a sinner.

Jesus died for our sins. Thats why he went to the cross, to save whoever believes in him from going to hell.

[WileOut]

When Jesus was on earth he made it a point to hang out with the lowest of scum on the earth. Because these were the people who needed him most.

You guys should check out the churches popping up all over the USA that welcome gang members, prostitutes, doctors, lawyers, and anyone in between. These churches have no dress code. People go in shorts and a T-shirt. They play rock and roll music. The point is to try to get back to the grassroots of what Jesus did. Accept everyone, yes even us gamblers.

[Willie Bee]

First off, I owe everything in this post to God and the Lord Jesus Christ...and just in case the other guys are right, praise be to Allah, Buddha, Jehova, Nkosi Yezulu, Amlak, Brahman, Shangdi, Onkar and Haile Selassie.

And as a Christian, we believe that if you accept Jesus as lord and savior you will go to heaven when you die, even though you are a sinner.

How convenient. So this God of yours says that bad Christians get into heaven in front of the good anything else, huh? You really believe that?

I've got news for you, you don't get into heaven because you're a good Christian, a good Muslim, a good Jew, etc. You get into heaven because you're good, period.

[pavyracer]

I hate to break the news to you guys again. Some people never learn. There is no heaven. Where is heaven? I want address and zip code please. I need to send a package.

[Willie Bee]

Heaven
Attn Hugh, executive chef at Garden of Eat'n Cafe
301 Main Street
Utopia, TX 78884

[WileOut]

First off, I owe everything in this post to God and the Lord Jesus Christ...and just in case the other guys are right, praise be to Allah, Buddha, Jehova, Nkosi Yezulu, Amlak, Brahman, Shangdi, Onkar and Haile Selassie.




How convenient. So this God of yours says that bad Christians get into heaven in front of the good anything else, huh? You really believe that?

I've got news for you, you don't get into heaven because you're a good Christian, a good Muslim, a good Jew, etc. You get into heaven because you're good, period.

It says in the Bible not to judge. So I'm not going to sit here and say who gets into heaven and who doesn't. I believe what is written in the Bible but will not judge you for what you believe.

Its all about faith Willie Bee. Thats the whole point. You have to go with your heart. My heart has led me to believe in Jesus as the Son of God risen to become one with God. That is what my heart tells me is right. I've researched all religions exhaustively. I choose Christianity. You are free to choose what you want. I have no problem with that.

[MonkeyF0cker]

A very common misconseption of non-christians is that Christians go to hell for their sins. Thats the whole point. If you are a real Christian that simply means that you believe in Jesus as lord and savior. It doesnt mean you are sinless. And as a Christian, we believe that if you accept Jesus as lord and savior you will go to heaven when you die, even though you are a sinner.

Jesus died for our sins. Thats why he went to the cross, to save whoever believes in him from going to hell.

So just because you BELIEVE in Jesus, you can do anything you want and still get into heaven even though it may happen to be a sin? So if I were to go on a murderous rampage it wouldn't matter since I believe in Jesus? Heaven here I come!

Ridiculous.

[WileOut]

So just because you BELIEVE in Jesus, you can do anything you want and still get into heaven even though it may happen to be a sin? So if I were to go on a murderous rampage it wouldn't matter since I believe in Jesus? Heaven here I come!

Ridiculous.

You are exactly right. Sounds messed up but its true.

Here is why. When you become a Christian and start to really believe in Jesus you experience a total change. Its a very real change experienced by everyone who has ever become a Christian. This change gives you a conscious that you have never had before, even if you were a very good person before. So you are going to be much less inclined to do wrong after becoming a Christian and letting Jesus into your heart. He takes over and starts working through you. You become a better person. Once you have accepted him its for ever unless you decide to reject him.

So this murderous rampage is going to be much less likely to happen after you become a Christian. Even if you are born with genes that tell you to murder. I know that its hard to understand but it is what I believe. It is what I have experienced from first hand knowledge of seeing hundreds of people before accepting Jesus and after.

[woodg8]

I had Morneau, so god clearly does exist

[WileOut]

I had Morneau, so god clearly does exist

There you go

[MonkeyF0cker]

Wow. No wonder its the religious people that are some of the most despicable people on the planet...

[WileOut]

Wow. No wonder its the religious people that are some of the most despicable people on the planet...

You are right. Religious people do bad things just like non-religious people do. But remember this, even though a person claims to be religious, only that person and God know where that persons heart really is at. Knobody else can know for sure. There are plenty of people at every church in America that go to church every Sunday and put on the front but they have never asked Jesus into their heart. But they will tell you they are religious.

See Hitler. I cant know for sure but if I had to guess, I would guess that he was a non-Christian putting on a front of Christianity. I think he even used Christianity as an excuse to murder people didn't he?

[WileOut]

But the bottom line is that I have a couple of athiest friends and I will bring up Jesus every now and then and we have civilized discussions about it. I don't hold it against them that they dont believe and they dont hold it against me. I also know a Jew that I call a friend of mine.

I am a firm believer in freedom of religion and all I do is present my case to people. I dont nag people about it. That is a great aspect of America. Nobody is persecuted for what they believe in.

[Willie Bee]

It says in the Bible not to judge.

I believe the Bible also has several passages relegating women to the ranks of second-hand citizens, do you also follow those teachings?

Genesis 3:16 -- Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.

Corinthians 4:13 -- As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

[HedgeHog]

I had Morneau, so god clearly does exist

I had Morneau too...+550 at 5-Dimes! The HR Derby Finals reminded me of David vs Goliath, and we all know how that battle turned out. God does indeed exist!

[SBR Lou]

Wow. No wonder its the religious people that are some of the most despicable people on the planet...

Every group has their bad apples. Thing about religion is, every faith has their own set of beliefs. Most center around some "Messiah", or "chosen one", all with similar backgrounds. I think of religion more as ancient fables that are passed down to each generation.

All we really know is the fact that we're here, and our parents are/were here, and their parents etc. It must've started somewhere, but because we'll never find out in our lifetime, I don't waste time worrying about it.

[pavyracer]

The only judge of man's admittance to heaven is the one that hasn't been proven to exist. Go figure

[Panic]

I feel like pizza for lunch.

[swede96]

I'm eating a quesadilla.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Humans have always been superstitious. Worship the sun, worship multiple gods, worship a single god. The common thread is the object of worship refuses to prove it exists.

Here's how effective your imaginary friend is:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4681771.stm

"Praying for patients undergoing heart operations does not improve their outcomes, a US study suggests. A study found those who were prayed for were as likely to have a setback in hospital, be re-admitted, or die within six months as those not prayed for."


What a surprise.