Is there a God?

[chipski]

Bad Examples Of Others Is A Wicked Tool To Use As An Excuse

wow that ****in video is spot on. religion is a fairy tale and all you brainwashed people including 90% of america need to wake up. you know what a church is? its a business. they make money.

any and all things man - made are simply just that .
what other people do in the world is totaly irrelevant to
you finding the HOLY SPIRIT ..
because people do this , did this , are thinking about whatever has nothing to do with the truth that is beyond
carnal knowledge .
life is simply SPIRIT VS HUMAN NATURE

WHEN TOUCHED BY THE SPIRIT IN YOUR LIFE AS YOU GROW AND HAVE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES CHANGE TAKES PLACE AND PEOPLE CHANGE .. sure some dont , but ..

if anything what you are saying falls more into the brainwashing category , as this world is def not about the SPIRIT OR SERVING GOD ...
everywhere you look these days it is about hey do what you want just live a good life , it's okay .
confusion is a tool , because this person says this , does this , did that , who cares !!!! what does what other people do or have done have anything to do WITH THE REAL TRUTH . lol

you have to seperate yourself from all you have seen and heard to find truth . man - made shi! is just that , it has flaws .
THE CREATOR HAS NO FLAWS . WE WERE GIVEN THE GIFT OF LIFE . do you really think there should be angels on the earth helping and making everyone live in harmony ? are you serious ? YOU HAVE FREE WILL TO DO AS YOU CHOOSE , many people use the bad examples other people set as an excuse to not believe in a higher power because change requires sacrifice ..
this thinking is about as lame as it could ever get but is normal in early stages of growth as something striving to be great in a human shell .
excuses are normal yes , but there could very well be a time the LIGHT SHINES IN AND HITS YOU LIKE A BUMP IN THE NIGHT ...

why would any higher power be on the earth controlling everything ?
if you made the beautuful mind boggling amazing earth and made man and woman to reproduce on this earth >> a trillion trillon billion trillion million people throughout all of time how much control would you be putting in , how much time ? lol

YOU WOULD LET EM GO , DO AS YOU WILL ..

ALL OF THIS MAY BE BEYOND HUMAN THOUGHT AND SIMPLE BRAIN POWER BUT YOU HAVE TO REALLY EXPERIENCE LIFE AND SEEK SOMETHING MORE TO BE ABLE TO TRULY KNOW ..

[pimike]

any and all things man - made are simply just that .
what other people do in the world is totaly irrelevant to
you finding the HOLY SPIRIT ..
because people do this , did this , are thinking about whatever has nothing to do with the truth that is beyond
carnal knowledge .
life is simply SPIRIT VS HUMAN NATURE

WHEN TOUCHED BY THE SPIRIT IN YOUR LIFE AS YOU GROW AND HAVE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES CHANGE TAKES PLACE AND PEOPLE CHANGE .. sure some dont , but ..

if anything what you are saying falls more into the brainwashing category , as this world is def not about the SPIRIT OR SERVING GOD ...
everywhere you look these days it is about hey do what you want just live a good life , it's okay .
confusion is a tool , because this person says this , does this , did that , who cares !!!! what does what other people do or have done have anything to do WITH THE REAL TRUTH . lol

you have to seperate yourself from all you have seen and heard to find truth . man - made shi! is just that , it has flaws .
THE CREATOR HAS NO FLAWS . WE WERE GIVEN THE GIFT OF LIFE . do you really think there should be angels on the earth helping and making everyone live in harmony ? are you serious ? YOU HAVE FREE WILL TO DO AS YOU CHOOSE , many people use the bad examples other people set as an excuse to not believe in a higher power . this thinking is about as lame as it could ever get .
excuses are normal yes , but there could very well be a time the LIGHT SHINES IN AND HITS YOU LIKE A BUMP IN THE NIGHT ...

why would any higher power be on the earth controlling everything ?
if you made the beautuful mind boggling amazing earth and made man and woman to reproduce on this earth >> a trillion trillon billion trillion million people throughout all of time how much control would you be putting in , how much time ? lol

YOU WOULD LET EM GO , DO AS YOU WILL ..

ALL OF THIS MAY BE BEYOND HUMAN THOUGHT AND SIMPLE BRAIN POWER BUT YOU HAVE TO REALLY EXPERIENCE LIFE AND SEEK SOMETHING MORE TO BE ABLE TO TRULY KNOW ..

correct

[juuso]

I'm an Atheist. Anecdotal evidence of believers of any religions and all kinds of woo means nothing to me.

Science may not yet have every small detail figured out, but at least it's falsifiable and self correcting.

Ancient civilizations have worshipped sun and their interpretations of gods for ages. Modern religions (not so new anyway) are same shit with a new twist. They have been excellent tools to keep population under control.

Religious and spiritual experiences are of course common world wide. Many people feel the need to believe in higher power. Those feelings are somewhat genetic and just our brain chemistry fooling us. Some are more inclined to go with their feelings and/or tradition under which they have been indoctrinated, than to think with logic and reason.

Any kind of personal God is extremely unlikely. All species, animal and plant, evolved over billions of years of natural selection. Many people also have misunderstood basic concept of evolution. We have of course been shaped by random mutations, but natural selection and evolution on the whole is far from random.

[compaqDikk]

what happens to these guys when they kick it? worm foom? reincarnated or is there a special place for them? where the fukk are reno and fendy when we need'em?

[chipski]

excuses to not believe in things unseen

I'm an Atheist. Anecdotal evidence of believers of any religions and all kinds of woo means nothing to me.

Science may not yet have every small detail figured out, but at least it's falsifiable and self correcting.

Ancient civilizations have worshipped sun and their interpretations of gods for ages. Modern religions (not so new anyway) are same shit with a new twist. They have been excellent tools to keep population under control.

Religious and spiritual experiences are of course common world wide. Many people feel the need to believe in higher power. Those feelings are somewhat genetic and just our brain chemistry fooling us. Some are more inclined to go with their feelings and/or tradition under which they have been indoctrinated, than to think with logic and reason.

Any kind of personal God is extremely unlikely. All species, animal and plant, evolved over billions of years of natural selection. Many people also have misunderstood basic concept of evolution. We have of course been shaped by random mutations, but natural selection and evolution on the whole is far from random.

you are using human examples .
a .what people thought and did in the past > means nothing
b . what people do or think in the present > means nothing
c . a human brain has all the sense because of what ? because you were taught that and influenced by other human brains
d . science should really say hey , yep , we believe in something we cant see but hey the defintion of science is basically lost without seeing something , lol
e . ignorance has ruled this planet generation after generation so yeah it must be through science that the real truth lies ..
f . because the majority of people have not truly felt or been moved by something greater than this world has to offer it is just a lie and it was simple human emotions , nothing truly spiritual from any divine source ..

i can testify that there is something greater and it is electric and beyond this world . not just through my personal experiences but it is deep inside of me and just is , ahhh kinda like everything else >> it just is . no need for scientific explanations ..
why would i need proof that i love someone and would die for them at the drop of a hat . no proof needed , some things just are , and you have faith in IT or you dont .
i think God is much more than that so that's saying alot and it is on pure faith , you wont truly know until you are faced with the end . no different than the people i would die for , is just pure faith and will not show itself until it is time .

i mean no offense but it seems to me that the people that dont believe in God have had hard lives or have been hurt ..
this amazes me .
though it seems in times of trial that one finds himself within and looks within instead of the tunnel vision always looking out >> being affected and influenced by human knowledge and science and by every whim of confused unsure belief known to man ..

because you cant see it you dont believe it ?
because all throughout history people have been ignorant , believed this and that , worshiped this cow and that golden image this means something ? it doesn't mean squat ! means zero ! why ? because man is flawed and is nothing close to perfect or godlike , not even close .

people are turned off to God or religion or seeking the SPIRIT BECAUSE
a . they witnessed this and that growing up and this church was this and that person was that , this pastor was that , this islamic guy was racist . jimmy swaggart look what he did awwww , bad examples exist more than they dont , we see it so there must be no real SPIRIT ..
these so called religious people are always talking about everyone , blah blah blah .
b, it requires sacrifice !!!!!!
WHAT DOES WHAT ANYONE ELSE HAS EVER DONE , THOUGHT OR WROTE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THERE BEING A DIVINE POWER THAT EXISTS BY MEANS OF FAITH , AND FAITH ALONE ??????????????????????? LOL
the human mind , geez . how fragile it really is , for a fact , you can be sharp as a tack one day and not be able to put on your pants the next . you can be swept off the earth quicker than 100 yards of sand on a dock , swept away , swallowed up ! why ? because man is just that , man , the mind is man , is not comparable to anything supreme or divine , IT IS FLAWED !!!!!!!! (the big argument people have about the bible or any other divine book being flawed is correct but that is simply because MAN WAS AND IS FLAWED when they wrote it and changed it all around all throughout history )

c. present , past , tv , past , present , cruel world
d. past past past present , bad example throughout
e past and present rhetoric , ooooohh , oooh so many different beliefs , so many races of people that actually have their own beliefs and ideas !!! what a shame , all this must mean there really is no divine power , it really means we evolved from nothing over billions of years of time ...
yes , so many different beliefs , how could there be one God .

AHHHHH ? how about there are many types of everything that exist on the earth , it does not mean we are not all in the same family made by something more than man can dissect .

[topcat]

I will just cull one event from history - the 2004 Tsunami. Now what ****ing God would pull that shit on his own people? Exactly. Every time you read about children get abused, raped, tourtured, etc, the news that makes you nauseaus, thank about your ****ing lovely God and his reasoning for subjecting little children to that crap.

as far as wheather events go ,the only thing i can recall off hand is that the devil is the prince of the skys.god gave the devil powers to. .i for one never understud why the good die young live,and piece of crap people live on.the other things you mention like rape,tourter,are done by people that god gave free will to.me,and you know right from wrong,its up to us to live our lives like we should.

[head_strong]

Faith is not belief. Belief is passive. Faith is active.

[VideoReview]

I'll Side With The Sharps On This One

This there a God?
Yes -110
No -110
I wonder which way this line would move?

Just for fun...

All this heated banter sounds exactly like your typical pre-championship handicapping debate thread with all of the expected bravado, circular logic, and all-in claims bets to boot.

I have heard survey percentages in the media that go something like this: 60% of the world believes in a God and 90% believes that there is a greater power of some sort. This sounds awfully close to the percentages of people who thought New England would cover and win straight up, doesn't it?

Here is what I believe:
1) The public losses more money than they win.
2) The bigger the game and the more that is at stake (i.e. nationally televised or championship games etc.), the more money they bet, and hence lose.

If the public can't figure out what 22 guys on a football field will do on any given day, how in hell (pun intended) can they be trusted to cap the existence or non-existence of God?

thezbar, since kick off time is not certain, I can't place any bet at all since I can not determine the lost utility of a percentage of my bankroll being tied up indefinitely. Once kick off time is certain, please get back to me with the updated lines so I can see if there is any value on either side. Thanks.

[thezbar]

We need Picoman's lean on this prop. Then we can explore the boundries in more detail.

[moneyline]

The stakes are so much higher when it comes to your choice on this prop, however. And you won't get the opportunity to double up and save your bet if you are wrong. Nor will you have the opportunity to lose your winnings if you win ...

Choices lead to consequences ... one way or the other ...

[chipski]

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I'm an Atheist. Anecdotal evidence of believers of any religions and all kinds of woo means nothing to me.

Science may not yet have every small detail figured out, but at least it's falsifiable and self correcting.

Ancient civilizations have worshipped sun and their interpretations of gods for ages. Modern religions (not so new anyway) are same shit with a new twist. They have been excellent tools to keep population under control.

Religious and spiritual experiences are of course common world wide. Many people feel the need to believe in higher power. Those feelings are somewhat genetic and just our brain chemistry fooling us. Some are more inclined to go with their feelings and/or tradition under which they have been indoctrinated, than to think with logic and reason.

Any kind of personal God is extremely unlikely. All species, animal and plant, evolved over billions of years of natural selection. Many people also have misunderstood basic concept of evolution. We have of course been shaped by random mutations, but natural selection and evolution on the whole is far from random.

so why haven't animals learned to talk yet ?
natural selection being so powerful and all ..
i would think letterman would be sweating about right now , that savvy , sexy gorilla or ms. foxy the persian kitty might be in line for his job .. lmao

all this time and man is so much superior than all other life forms .. damn i am getting kinda scared that that big ass oak tree out back might start to get pissed at me for not trimming his branches . old mr. oak might just take my wife from me or demand to be moved to the front yard because there is just too much sun .. natural selection being so powerful and all . that evolving thing in action ...

because thee are different species of animals because of where they lived and what they ate is supposed to mean that God didn't create those animals according to the theory ? that is prettty deep to say the least .
so lets say a baby is born but through life looks different than everyone else because of the conditions in which the person lived ........................................ ... so this means they were not created from God . wow . and to think science is a dull subject . it is quite fascinating to say the least .

but with all things that exist you can find ways to twist any and everything up and find ways to divide the room in opinion . no matter what the truth really is . divison in this world is about as normal as harmony and people agreeing .
in a way is kinda sad . but never boring right ..

[juuso]

so why haven't animals learned to talk yet ?
natural selection being so powerful and all ..
i would think letterman would be sweating about right now , that savvy , sexy gorilla or ms. foxy the persian kitty might be in line for his job .. lmao

all this time and man is so much superior than all other life forms .. damn i am getting kinda scared that that big ass oak tree out back might start to get pissed at me for not trimming his branches . old mr. oak might just take my wife from me or demand to be moved to the front yard because there is just too much sun .. natural selection being so powerful and all . that evolving thing in action ...

because thee are different species of animals because of where they lived and what they ate is supposed to mean that God didn't create those animals according to the theory ? that is prettty deep to say the least .
so lets say a baby is born but through life looks different than everyone else because of the conditions in which the person lived ........................................ ... so this means they were not created from God . wow . and to think science is a dull subject . it is quite fascinating to say the least .

but with all things that exist you can find ways to twist any and everything up and find ways to divide the room in opinion . no matter what the truth really is . divison in this world is about as normal as harmony and people agreeing .
in a way is kinda sad . but never boring right ..

I suggest you read a bit on the subject. Natural selection is a slow process. It happens very gradually most of the time. Over tens of thousands of years or more. You cannot go out and observe species changing overnight. Language and ability to speak is a human trait, and one of the reasons why we have been so successful.

We evolved from same primate ancestors than for example chimps and orangutans did. That's a scientifically proven fact.

If you think god have something to do with the process, that's OK.

I just think god is ancient human psychological concept to try to make sense of the unknown and help us cope with the fear of death.

[thezbar]

The stakes are so much higher when it comes to your choice on this prop, however. And you won't get the opportunity to double up and save your bet if you are wrong. Nor will you have the opportunity to lose your winnings if you win ...

Choices lead to consequences ... one way or the other ...

There isn't any rule that says one has to risk $ here. After all you can take it with you anyway?

One could make a case for risking a soul on this prop! That is assume one"s believe there are such things.

[thezbar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iIfYPyomO0

YouTube - JAMES BROWN SOUL POWER MIX

[Cappy]

God is a social construct and has lost it's necessity in modern society

[moneyline]

True, Cappy. Society is doing remarkably well without having God at the forefront.

(or not)

[Cappy]

The ancient civilizations needed it, we do not. I for one have chosen to steer away from god and despite what I have heard from believers I don't think it's made me a bad person. Sure I murder grandmothers and rape children more than the average person, but I always say please and thankyou, and every little bit helps.

-woo-hoo, yeah GO god!

[moneyline]

You'll live, Cappy, and then you will die like everyone else. And you will answer for your choices at that time.

Don't complain when that happens. That would be unseemly.

[Cappy]

In a lot of ways we are being lead astray by those who proclaim god as their guide. All god does in that case is allow dumb americans to be fooled by an abstract concept (god) rather than letting reason and morals prevail. I for one will continue to let a strong moral fiber and a solid base of reasoning make my decisions and try to get as far away from these loose-cannon short-bussers who think belief and faith in something with only weak anecdotal evidence makes you moral and wonderful.

[Stumpage]

God can be found this weekend hanging out at Fenway Park and unfortunately he's wearing a Yankees cap.....

[Cappy]

I will earn and have earned everything that is coming to me, I don't run away from my responsibilities, so if god wants to burn me for eternity for speaking my mind and standing up for my fellow man then good for him. Seems a bit sadistic and un-godly of it to do that, but I hope you're right because knowing that these hateful abusers who claim god finally did get what was coming to them would be a great weight off my chest.
Sadly I'm afraid that you are probably incorrect and these abusers of men will never pay for their crimes against humanity, because humans don't stand up and god doesn't exist

[Dark Horse]

You'll live, Cappy, and then you will die like everyone else. And you will answer for your choices at that time.

Don't complain when that happens. That would be unseemly.

If you're going to believe that the cosmos was put together in seven days (or six?), you may as well believe that you know exactly what will happen to non-Christians at the time of death.

You sure know a lot, without any proof to back it up. That's not religion. That's superstition.

[Cappy]

God can be found this weekend hanging out at Fenway Park and unfortunately he's wearing a Yankees cap.....

Go back and read your "genesis" man, that ain't god

[Stumpage]

Go back and read your "genesis" man, that ain't god

Sure.....I was looking for a little light reading tonight anyway.....

[moneyline]

Christianity is superstition. I got it Dark Horse. You've made your viewpoint infinitely clear, without ever taking the time to actually express any of your viewpoints.

You'd make an excellent politician. Saying a lot without saying anything at all.

[Bread]

Moneyline serious question here....This has probably been tackled before but I wasn't privy...

For such a God-fearing man...why are you on gambling boards? Serious question.

Seems quite contradictory to me.

[Robyn]

Bread, Moneyline is Catholic. Catholics aren't normal Christians. They gamble, drink, allow their leaders to fondle children, murder people for money...hell, they even try to belittle people on gambling message boards. But hey, it's ok. They go to church every Saturday afternoon and ask for forgiveness...and then repeat the process all over again week after week.

But don't forget. They also do good deeds like donate their time to missionary camps in third world countries to convert people to Catholicism. Here's a bible, small African child...even though you are starving and dying of disease, this book will be the blanket that protects you. Praise be.

[moneyline]

Actually, I am not Catholic, Robyn. I am, however, impressed you can spell it.

[BeatTheJerk]

she sleeps with her spell check on a nightly basis ............

[BeatTheJerk]

<<<<<<<< good ole southern baptist

[Robyn]

Actually, I am not Catholic, Robyn. I am, however, impressed you can spell it.

Lies. All lies.

[Dark Horse]

Christianity is superstition. I got it Dark Horse. You've made your viewpoint infinitely clear, without ever taking the time to actually express any of your viewpoints.

You'd make an excellent politician. Saying a lot without saying anything at all.

It's not necessarily superstition. I've read plenty of books on Catholic saints. They were neither arrogant nor ignorant. Nor were they interested in suggesting people were doomed unless they signed on the dotted line.

As to me not saying much. Perhaps I'm merely following the good advice 'not to cast pearls before swine'.

[moneyline]

Okay, maybe you couldn't spell it on your own. My apologies.

And DH, perhaps that is what you are doing. Or perhaps you just don't have much to say ...

[Bread]

Not gonna answer my question. Typical confrontational moron with nothing to back it up.

FK you Moneyline. You are a tool.

[Robyn]

I like your new avatar, ML. You and your sister look cute together.