How many of you play Proline in Canada?

[jaiminpatel]

I play...everyday ...not big but small all below 40$....I like it easy...

[suicidekings]

I live in Vancouver, and used to play it before I started playing at online sportsbooks. The lines are atrocious, to the point that even the increased accessibility and cash payouts do not make for a fair tradeoff. What makes the situation even worse is that the issue of allowing single-game sports betting in British Columbia has been promoted in recent years, but has been shot down as not being part of the image that Vancouver is trying to promote They're selling it as taking an ethical stance against gambling because it's an industry that preys on the weak and contributes negatively to society.

Allowing single sport betting at fair odds (where one can actually play with an edge) is immoral, but allowing and encouraging those new to the sports betting industry to play parlays at bad odds is allowed... Fortunately the BC Liberals are on board with the expansion of the gaming industry in BC, so here's hoping that eventually progress will be made on this front.

[k13]

3 teamer here in NFL/NBA = 5 x wager...

Can't you do a two teamer point spread?

Either way, just play at pinnacle.

[the10man]

ive herd nothing but bad things about it. but dammit all i hate the online

[BRAVES1985]

lol i remember proline i remember playing 4 teamer point spread $30 tickets paid $300

[the10man]

lol i remember proline i remember playing 4 teamer point spread $30 tickets paid $300

actually if true thats much better odds than people have been saying

offshore a 4 team @ -110 odds would pay 1 to 12.28 your tickets payed 1 to 10. not sure what to beleive now

[beermankirk]

Canada is split up into 5 seprate lottery zones. They have diferent rules and names. Sports Action /Proline/ Sports Select/ Mise au jeu

BC
Alberta/Sask./Manitoba
Ontario
Quebec
East Coast Maritimes

One big thing to remember on these tickets, is they pay you odds , but they don't return your bet also. So say you bet $10 x 9.00 odds, you are paid $90, not $90 + the $10 you wagered for $100 total.

BC is where I play, and most familiar with. In sports action(BC) , you can pick between 2-6 teams for a parlay.

They have -
Point spread where you get set payouts on spreads,
Oddset, with normal odds, (the only problem is they add a tie for a 3rd outcome to all sports, including baseball)
Over/under basically totals
Props - betting props total RBI's , total strikes, will player get a hit, etc...

For a look at odds and how they compare to Pinnacle odds go here:

http://www.prolineplayer.com/odds/Today_BC.php (they have odds for all Canada zones)

For BC prop odds :

http://www.bclc.com/app/SportsAction/Props/Home.asp

BCLC prop odds have juice of 1.60/1.60 so the odds are usually bad. The exception is they normally put out 120 oddset, and 120 prop bets twice a week. Out of these wagers you can usually find 2-3 that are beating the Pinnacle or Vegas sharp line.

The lottery will shut down games if they get hammerred by the public, but the BC online site http://www.playnow.com takes way longer to shut down the sports odds, if at all. They have left some 25%-30% edges up all day.

If anyone does baseball modeling on props, you can usually find that RBI totals are off by 1.5 runs at times, and they reverse the side which should be favored. This means you may pay odds of 1.70, but are actually at times getting decent odds.

An example on Saturday was Chi White sox was over 3.5 RBI's 1.75 on props, the odds on pinny were over 4 runs -125. you have to calculate the odds that not all runs scored are RBI's as well. this can work for/against you at times. Still this was not a bad bet here. The thing is you only need to find 2 bets that aren't bad.

We had a system last summer when props 1st came out, and we hit them for 11K on baseball. Wasn't my system, I was just a bet runner.

BCLC has adjusted, but props is still beatable even at 1.60/1.60 juice.

For those who say it's unbeatable , check your odds, daily, most days there is no wager, but it still doesn't mean that they are not beatable.

Cheers, Kirk

[beermankirk]

Also in BC the betting is very accessible.

You can bet at any convienence/grocery store that sells lotto.
You can bet online at home with a playnow account.
You can bet at electronic terminals, which are at almost every bar/lounge/pub/casino in BC

[BRAVES1985]

actually if true thats much better odds than people have been saying offshore a 4 team @ -110 odds would pay 1 to 12.28 your tickets payed 1 to 10. not sure what to beleive now

ya 4 teamer point spread is your wager x10 = payout

[frizzelli]

I usually only play ties on nba and college ball, a tie is any game within 5 points usually pays 2.30 - 3 so that is the only +EV is boxing ties in Bball.

[beermankirk]

If you are from out of the area and want to bet these. BCLC has by far the most favorable odds.

When Ontario gives 2.20 on a basketball tie BC will give 2.70
When Ontario gives 2.30 on a baseball tie, BC will give 3.00

You have to be in BC to make the wager at a retailer or online. I've done lots of ticket running at 10% of winnings for east coast people..

For Saturday a decent edge ticket would be a 2 teamer oddset:

4pm Tie41 AtlBraves/WshNats 3.25 +0.9edge
530 Tie45 SFGiants/SDPadres 3.00 -0.3edge

pays 9.75-1 odds

Just saying there are edges, and good bets, but you really have to look for them. I make money off of sports action, but only from stale odds.

[k13]

parlay odds for point spread in ontario


2/2 2 x Wager
3/3 5 x Wager
4/4 10 x Wager
5/5 20 x Wager
6/6 35 x Wager
7/7 75 x Wager
8/8 150 x Wager
9/9 300 x Wager
10/10 400 x Wager
9/10 20 x Wager
11/11 600 x Wager
10/11 30 x Wager
12/12 1000 x Wager
11/12 50 x Wager
10/12 10 x Wager

[Nicky Santoro]

parlay odds for point spread in ontario


2/2 2 x Wager
3/3 5 x Wager
4/4 10 x Wager
5/5 20 x Wager
6/6 35 x Wager
7/7 75 x Wager
8/8 150 x Wager
9/9 300 x Wager
10/10 400 x Wager
9/10 20 x Wager
11/11 600 x Wager
10/11 30 x Wager
12/12 1000 x Wager
11/12 50 x Wager
10/12 10 x Wager

make sure you explain that.... for example... 2/2 is not really 2 to 1. it's 2 for 1.. big difference here. 2 teamer is 2 for 1.. which is really even money... and 3/3 is not 5 to 1.. it's 5 for 1.. which really pays 4/1.. i feel so bad for your avg joe who is clueless. he will be broke in no time.

[beermankirk]

What Nicky says is very important, they do not pay your original wager back...

[unluckysob]

Im in the states--didnt know about this---do they post lines and odds on a board like a vegas book? does the local store do this, or do you go to a patricular place?? Do lines change like a regular book??

[beermankirk]

Check post 42 of mine. proline player list the odds for all 5 prov. lotto's.

The odds are posted online as well, or you can get a printout from the lotto terminal where you would buy your powerball/lotto ticket.

[iQon]

Why would anyone play Prolines when you have so many great offshores accepting your business?

[Nicky Santoro]

Proline payout for 2 teamer is Even Money...

True odds for a 2 teamer is +300.

So you are basically getting even money instead of +300..

yeah, those are fair odds for the player..

Talk about crooks. fukkin Gov't.


And to think there are millions of real people playing this shit each day and losing their house, family, etc.. and gov't don't care....

[k13]

Why would anyone play Prolines when you have so many great offshores accepting your business?

I tried to get a few friends to play online instead of pro line. No luck.

People like it because it's like buying a lottery ticket at your local gas station.

In the long-run they can't win but they don't know that, just entertainment mostly.

Government robbing kids blind.

[beermankirk]

The only reason to play the prov. lotto's, is if you do your homework, once or twice a week, you can get better odds than offshore, due to the gov't lotto's bad lines. Otherwise obv. play offshore.

Why not play the best of both if you have the option?

The main thing with gov't tix, is you can cash them instantly for cash the next day.

Also in BC, once you find a bad line you can keep hammering it. There are no liability limits, so you can play the game until it's pulled. A person I know got 21K in on a bad homerun prop last summer. On top of this he got gas station points at petro-canada gas, and airmiles rewards on his CC. I believe it was a25%-30% edge on a homerun prop. It was a 1 teamer as the original prop 1 was a player who was injured, so it would be cancelled and than reverted down to a 1 teamer...

You cant bet them everyday, but the few pros that hammer the BCLC, get them good. I'd like to know of any offshore that would take 20K on a homerun prop, giving odds..

[Nicky Santoro]

The only reason to play the prov. lotto's, is if you do your homework, once or twice a week, you can get better odds than offshore, due to the gov't lotto's bad lines. Otherwise obv. play offshore.

this doesn't exist anymore.. you have to find like 7 way off #'s and that is hard to find with today's knowledge.. and if you do find 7 mistakes, chances are they will be taken off the card. i swear to god, back in early 90's, pro line was a gold mine. people made millions.. you would get the whole weekly program come out (all 7 days) and they'd keep the lines the same all week and never take off the board.. and boy were they off.. nhl totals of 5 were 7.5.. nhl totals of 5.5 were 8.5 and there were like 15 of those a week only in hockey..

then NBA was even better.. nba totals of 194.5 were 221.5.. vegas totals of 198.5 were 229.5.. and you can mix the sports.. man, we'd take the best 12 games and wheel them, round robin them, just go nuts...very very rare we'd have a losing week. many weeks we'd go 14-0, 13-1. those were the days when gambling was not known yet.. today, too much info on gambling and everyone is aware of lines, #'s, computers, etc.. back then, no one had a clue.. today, forget about it...gambling has become too popular now. the whole world is in the know..

pro line changed all its rules because i heard they got destroyed by a few guys..and lost millions upon millions..

[beermankirk]

It still does exist in BC, i hit 3-5 edge tix a week during baseball, between oddset and props. Yes, the 90's were great for prov. lotto, especially world hockey...

BCLC had a good 20 NBA sides and totals that were off 20-30 points this season... Like I said you have to look.

[Eleven]

I sometimes play it when I parlay soccer draws, only for 2$ though.

[the10man]

make sure you explain that.... for example... 2/2 is not really 2 to 1. it's 2 for 1.. big difference here. 2 teamer is 2 for 1.. which is really even money... and 3/3 is not 5 to 1.. it's 5 for 1.. which really pays 4/1.. i feel so bad for your avg joe who is clueless. he will be broke in no time.

ok now i get it. thnks nicky

[erickvivar]

I saw their ads on the washrooms of some bars and night clubs in Ontario, so I tried them out, but after reviewing their odds and the payouts, I found no reason to continue or even replace a single bet directed to my other online sites.

[Alfie B]

Proline used to be great when you could pick NBA games and then the Raptors came around.

[JohnnyC]

My group played there. Canada took some pretty horrific countermeasures against some other pro-groups last year... so much that we stopped playing.

Details on the countermeasures? I did not hear about this.

[DemoralizdDreamr]

Ive made some cash on proline, in basketball and football (college included) u can get lines that are off by 3-10 points so its a bit easier there however u must do atleast a 2 team parlay and the odds around -150. Regardless, i usually played lines off by 5 or so in a 3 team parlay which payed out 4 to 1.

[the10man]

can you play proline for preseason nfl?

[speaker]

Used to. Not anymore. Terrible odds

[xKMACKx]

can you play proline for preseason nfl?

Yes

[JohnnyC]

What were some of those measures?



Football lines are so off it isn't even funny. You can have guys at counters waiting on your instructions minutes before kickoff as you can hammer them on two teamers. Also the problem is they take lines off the board when they know its a loss. They have gotten better at countering winners. So many losers play this it isn't even funny. Square central.

Good rule of thumb is to never play two teamers with proline even if you do have one off number it's usually not gonna counter the terrible payout.

[buzzer]

Yep left proline cause was getting killed on the 3 team parlays.

[beermankirk]

3 decent edges on BCLC for Mon July 25th, do a 2 of 3 rotation.

SD/PHL tie 3.65 +14.1edge
PIT/ATL tie 3.65 +5.4edge
HOU/STL tie 3.65 +5.0edge

Not always there, but they do still exist.

[Pancho sanza]

My group played there. Canada took some pretty horrific countermeasures against some other pro-groups last year... so much that we stopped playing.

Lots of money to be made, im surprised you stopped playing there.

How come you didnt mention you played there when i mentioned to you that I also played proline?