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  • Scorpion
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    ARTICLE: Are the New England Patriots Cheating AGAIN?
    - archives/december/nfl-rage-are-the-new-england-pat riots-cheating-again.html

    Written by MC3 Sports Media Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:15
    It's time for some therapy. Every week in the NFL, players, coaches, media, fans, and etc, say or do something that ticks me off. I'm sure that I'm not the only one. So, after all of the games are played from the previous week I give myself and the people that read this article a little therapy. I do this by venting about some of the things people or saying or doing in the ford of NFL football. I just can't give a pass to some of these individuals and somebody has to argue the other side. Let's dive right into some of the topics that people seem to be giving a pass.
    There are some things I have on my mind today like and but what is really bugging me here is the question that no one is asking.
    Are the New England Patriots Cheating?

    As I expect many Patriots fans to be perturbed by my Rage about two sentences into this, let me first preface this entire piece by restating some facts which I think we have all taken too lightly as time has gone by.
    The New England Patriots under the regime of Bill Belichick is an organization of convicted cheaters. The facts that have been both proven and admitted to are the following: The sources of these facts are testimony from then assistant Matt Walsh, the guy who took the video's, Senator Arlen Specter, from his investigation, and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.
    Matt Walsh would videotape as part of his responsibility during the game. He then would take the tape, mark it and then hand it off to Belichick's personal assistant, Ernie Adams. He was instructed to do this and did so did this every year starting the 2000 season and continued it for eight years until they were found out.
    The Patriots used the videotaped signals they obtained from other teams to their advantage: An offensive player would memorize the signals, watch for them on the sideline and pass them on to assistant coach Charlie Weis, who would then inform quarterback Tom Brady.
    "And they had some obviously good results," Senator Arlen Specter said after his investigation.
    Matt Walsh himself stated, "If it was of little or no importance, I imagine they wouldn't have continued to do it, and probably not taken the chances of going down onto the field in Pittsburgh or shooting from other teams' stadiums the way we did."
    Walsh told us that his superiors coached him on how to evade NFL rules limiting the number of camera operators per team to two, and that team officials instructed him on ways to avoid detection.
    With that as the back drop, I was taught that if someone cheated once, they'll usually do it again. It seems to me that in the NFL, the media doesn't read between the lines a lot of times and they wait for a story to break instead of asking if what they are seeing is suspicious or not. The New England Patriots in particular seem to always get a pass. I'm not sure if it's because of Robert Kraft, Bill Belichick, Tom Brady or who or whatever, it really doesn't matter.
    Think about how many rules have come about because of Tom Brady. How many questionable roughing the passer penalties are called because it was Tom Brady? Michael Jordan traveled on almost every pivot when he played. It was maddening to watch it then and it's no different watching Brady getting catered to now.
    Let me ask you a question. Pretend that you are the owner of an NFL franchise and you get to cheat for eight years. You've never won a Super Bowl before, but during this eight year cheating spree, you get to go to four of them and win three. You make money hand over fist, because you become one of the most popular teams (because of bandwagon fans w/o a spine), you sell out all of your tickets, and rake in the profits from sales of jerseys, merchandising, memorabilia, etc. When you finally get caught you'll only be punished by having to pay $500,000 as the owner (Bud Adams got fined $250,000 for flicking the bird). Your coach will remain coach and have to pay $250,000 and of the two first round draft picks you have that year, you only have to give up the one at the bottom of the first round, don't worry you get to still keep the top 10 pick....
    There won't even be talk of putting asterisks next to your titles. Would you take the deal? Remember, you get to go to four Super Bowls and win three. More importantly, would you risk it all over again? Sure you would! Who wouldn't?
    When the Patriots won their first Super Bowl, they did it as a massive underdog. The quarterback that led them there was a 6th round draft pick that no one felt was anything special. To this day he still gets praise for making no name receivers big time play makers. None of these receivers ever amounted to anything anywhere else. Everyone was sold that these players were special, but the truth of the matter is, they knew what was coming at them.
    Exactly how are the Patriots the "Team of the Decade" if they were convicted of and admitted to admitted cheated eight out of 10 years? Why does everyone sweep this travesty under the rug? The Patriots cheated for 3 Super Bowls and got a slap on the wrist! Tom Brady is getting called one of the greatest QBs of all-time! Do we not have a problem with that? Did I travel to another dimension and not get the memo. Is cheating wrong for everyone except for the Patriots? When Patriot fans bring up their Super Bowl wins, the first thing you should say is, "oh, are you talking about when they knew exactly what the defense was going to do?"
    The most annoying part of the whole scandal is how the Patriots came out and said that knowing what the defense was going to do, didn't provide them with any type of advantage. Somehow the mainstream media has fallen for this. Are you serious? Why did they do it then? Peyton Manning has been good for years because he reads what the defenses are going to do when he comes to the line. Imagine actually knowing what they are going to do before you break the huddle. Even if they show a blitz, you know it's not coming because you know the effing play! If the cornerback is blitzing, you would know to lob the ball at his man as soon as you snap it.
    This brings me to my current point. What does this year's Patriots team have in common with that first Super Bowl team? A lot of unproven players that wasn't suppose to do too much. Tom Brady hasn't thrown a pick in the last 8 games! It's almost as if he knew where the defense was going to be. DOH!
    Don't you look at your computer screen in that tone of voice..... Is it so ridiculous to think that this team went back to cheating? What would they be afraid of, if they got caught cheating again? NFL fans have already proven that they'll forgive and forget. What do they have to lose?
    Roger Goodell has already proven that he'll take care of his good friend, Robert Kraft. Is Goodell going to jack up the fine to $750,000? Robert Kraft takes baths in $750,000. He tips the pizza man in a $750,000 bill. Kraft would make a 100 times that off of another Super Bowl win. Brady wouldn't get punished and Kraft would just pay Belichick's fine again. Oh, and the Patriots have two first round drafts picks again this year. So they give back the worse of the two, big deal! .
    Why is it so unbelievable to think that this team would cheat again? Because you haven't been fed this opinion by Chris Berman, Rich Eisen or whichever talking head you take as gospel. When people get caught in society they don't reform, they get better at not getting caught next time. The Patriots have gotten better at not getting caught.
    The Patriots shredded the Jets, Steelers, Dolphins, and Bears defenses. The Patties scored 45, 41, 39, and 36 points against those defenses. This is how those teams rank in points given up and total yards given up. Bears 3rd in PTs 8th in YDs, Jets 6th in PTs 3rd in YDs, Steelers 2nd in PTs 4th in YDs, Dolphins 8th in PTs 5th in YDs. Those are some damn good defenses by NFL standards. It's pretty ironic that they all had complete meltdowns against the Pats. It's almost as if the offense knew what the defense was going to do. I'm just saying......
    Yes, this is just one man's opinion and no I don't have video evidence of them cheating in 2010; but I have the common sense to realize that if it was good enough for Kraft, Belichick, and Brady in the last decade, it should be good enough for them in this one. Why not, we'll scream and yell for a few weeks and then it will all be forgotten. Don't worry Pats fans, even if they get caught cheating again, we'll still label them as the team of the decade
    Well that's another week of football therapy in the books. I hope I hit on some of the issues that raised your blood pressure. If you have something that bugs you, shoot me an email, if it set me off too we'll talk about it here. After all, this is your therapy as much as mine. See you next week, where I'm sure someone will have done something stupid and I'll beat it into the ground until I feel I've vented for everyone who was upset by it.
    Look for NFL Game Day on Sunday mornings, bringing you the match-ups and what to look for in each of that week's games. - Jayson Braddock
    Jayson appears on Sports Radio 790 AM in Houston, TX, every Thursday morning at 11:19 am CST as the football insider on the Dylan Gwinn show. He's a graduate of the Sports Management World Wide Football GM & Scouting Course and has been mentored by former NFL player / executive John Wooten and Sporting News.com NFL Draft Expert Russ Lande. His work is mostly appreciated by die-hard fans interested in every little detail about their team and not just watered down mainstream talk. - Listeners NOT in the Houston metropolitan area can hear Jayson on iheart radio or sports7910.com.
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  • Cougar Bait
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    • 10-04-07
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    #2
    I don't know. I see the point of the article, just have to wait and see how it plays out. Said this in jest the other day...wondering the same thing...how could the Pats beat down all those great defenses in one year?
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    • pavyracer
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 04-12-07
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      #3
      This is another reason to fade them again if they make the Superbowl. Because teams will change the signs for Superbowl since they have 2 weeks to prepare. This is what the Giants did 3 years ago. They changed their signs on defense for Superbowl game and beat the Patriots as 14 point dogs.
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      • OmgUrMom
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        #4
        all anyone cares about is winning

        only reason people care about pats cheating is cause there teams are not winning and need a reason to whine
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        • statnerds
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          • 09-23-09
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          #5
          Name me another NFL team, owner and coach that were accused by opposing coaches that the visitor locker rooms were bugged.

          Name me another successful coach in the NFL whose coaching tree is full of fukkin pathetic losing coaches.
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          • zam77
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            • 11-03-10
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            #6
            Note: The pats lost to the browns, who are coached by mangini, belichick's former assistant. The relevance here is that the browns had an edge b/c mangini is predisposed to belichick's cheating and new how to prepare, and/or, after this loss, belichick couldn't take it anymore and decided he needed to begin cheating to win again... the pats have been tearing it up since the browns loss.
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            • pavyracer
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              #7
              Originally posted by zam77
              Note: The pats lost to the browns, who are coached by mangini, belichick's former assistant. The relevance here is that the browns had an edge b/c mangini is predisposed to belichick's cheating and new how to prepare, and/or, after this loss, belichick couldn't take it anymore and decided he needed to begin cheating to win again... the pats have been tearing it up since the browns loss.
              That's a great point. Didn't think about it before. I'd bet you Mangini changed the signs on defense for that game so Belichick wouldn't relay them to Brady and beat the coverage.
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              • tblues2005
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                • 07-30-06
                • 9235

                #8
                Most of this makes sense and how they get by with cheating. PAVY has a good point here about the Super Bowl.
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                • brooks85
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                  • 01-05-09
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                  #9
                  the giants beat the patriots in SB because of a miracle play by eli and an even more miraculous catch, had nothing to do with signs. The two teams had just played prior to the playoffs and it was a 3 point game in week 17.
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                  • Scorpion
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                    • 09-04-05
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                    #10
                    Here is old video of Belichick trying to impede Marvin Harrison
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h42kTrO8ZA4
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                    • pavyracer
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                      • 04-12-07
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by brooks85
                      the giants beat the patriots in SB because of a miracle play by eli and an even more miraculous catch, had nothing to do with signs. The two teams had just played prior to the playoffs and it was a 3 point game in week 17.
                      Then how do you explain Patriots scoring only 20 points on Superbowl where they averaged 40 points for regular season beating all teams by double digits?
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                      • brooks85
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                        • 01-05-09
                        • 44709

                        #12
                        Two defenses who had just played each other and gave up 30+ each now rematching in the Superbowl, that is how I would explain it. And then the play happened, that is how it was won.
                        Last edited by brooks85; 12-18-10, 07:37 PM.
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                        • pavyracer
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by brooks85
                          Two defenses who had just played each other and surrendered 30+ each now rematching in the Superbowl, that is how I would explain it.
                          So the books really screwed up since they listed the Patriots as 14 point favorites?
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                          • Cougar Bait
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                            #14
                            I cashed big on the Giants in that game, good times

                            Was loaded and high on yayo
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                            • brooks85
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                              #15
                              you haven't figured that out by now?

                              it was 4 years ago. NE 38 NYG 35 week 17, why in the world would you then back that team -14, in the superbowl...

                              Superbowl week, that is why.
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                              • zam77
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                                #16
                                Another fire alarm pull should be hitting the newstands soon...
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                                • pavyracer
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                                  #17
                                  If you search here you will find a thread where I called Giants cover and win.

                                  But the books were not prepared for Giants changing the signals on defense and limiting the Patriots offense. That's why they opened as 14 points favs which was their average margin of win for regular season.
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                                  • bostonboy
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 06-30-10
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                                    #18
                                    wow, pretty much every comment written in this thread is hysterical. Where was all this talk of the pats cheating back after the week 2 loss to the jets, or for all of last year for that matter? Absolutely ridiculas, cant wait to beat the ravens/steelers/jets for the hundreth time this decade in the playoffs, actually wait i take that back they wont win because those teams will have time to change their signs so the pats cant cheat. Brady will look no better than ken dorsey out there.
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                                    • james4512
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by brooks85
                                      Two defenses who had just played each other and gave up 30+ each now rematching in the Superbowl, that is how I would explain it. And then the play happened, that is how it was won.
                                      the ONLY reason why the regular season game was so high scoring because there were 4 TD by special teams and defense
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                                      • rsnnh12
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                                        • 09-26-10
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                                        #20
                                        Jesus christ. A lot whiny bitches ITT.

                                        First of all, what the Pats did was not against the rules. According the rules, videotape wasn't allowed to be looked at during the game (which it wasn't), and that's where the Pats coaching staff thought it was okay. NFL should have clarified the rules much better. Also, every team receives a copy of EVERY camera angle that NFL Films uses in the game, for the entire game, hours after it ends... what's to stop a team from using that to look at signals? Answer-nothing, because reading signals isn't against the rules.

                                        Also, every team changes up their defensive signals on a weekly basis, because they know other teams are trying to figure them out. Look at interviews with Jimmy Johnson after this whole thing broke for the truth

                                        /thread
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                                        • mgcolby
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 10-19-07
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                                          #21
                                          For people who bet on the NFL you sure don't pay much attention to it. No one uses signals anymore, its called coach to helmet communication devices worn by a defender just like the QB. And the writer didn't bother to check any facts because Matt Walsh was proven to be a liar...but don't let that get in the way of a good ol fashioned circle jerk.

                                          By the way Bill Cowher and Jimmy Johnson say hi...both admitted to "stealing signs" (which is not illegal and is as old as sports itself) Johsons did it with video camera's and stated that teams have been doing that since he had been in the NFL. And Cowher put a guy in the stands to chart the signals and then match them up to game tape.
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                                          • the_situation
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                                            • 10-22-10
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                                            #22
                                            This article
                                            The guy who wrote this is prob a Jets fan that's pissed after the Pats dumped on them 45-3.

                                            People are just making excuses because the Patriots are stomping teams again.
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                                            • zam77
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                                              #23
                                              Belichick is so good at cheating, he can make his supporters, employees, fans believe he's not. He's that good. He's like the Bill Clinton of football.
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                                              • ShogunRua
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                                                #24
                                                Interesting read. One thing though - if Mangini knew what cheaters the Pats were, wouldn't he maybe say something?
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                                                • zam77
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by ShogunRua
                                                  Interesting read. One thing though - if Mangini knew what cheaters the Pats were, wouldn't he maybe say something?
                                                  Wouldn't he? Good question... nobody likes a rat. Your question also opens the door to what possibly is a much larger scale problem going on in the nfl.
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                                                  • The Seer
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                                                    #26
                                                    Someone explain to me then why Weiss, Crenel, Mangini, & McDaniels haven't been tearing the league up as well since they know how to do the same thing. It still comes down to the players and coaching.
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                                                    • zam77
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by The Seer
                                                      Someone explain to me then why Weiss, Crenel, Mangini, & McDaniels haven't been tearing the league up as well since they know how to do the same thing. It still comes down to the players and coaching.
                                                      There's an element of skill in everything... a level as to how well you do something.
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                                                      • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
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                                                        #28
                                                        ok i stopped at bandwagon fans you fvckin moron!!!!1st of all we are the learning meca of the us and the fans in beantown know there shit in and out! we are some of the most educated fans in the country!philly peeps are diehards 2 !ny knows there shit i've lived all over the country and there is nothing like northeast with the passion they show for there teams!example; redsoxs nation 85 fvckin years of misery and they packed the house!the fans in boston know when delmonte west is off his meds and cutting off cops with a shoty strapped to his back thats how close we follow are teams !anyway if you think that shit doesn't happen alll over the nfl your a fool !get a clue they cheated and so does everyone else idiot with millions at stake it's all about the loot and we know that in beantown so we don't give a f\*\*k!get over it !the jets did it two weeks ago again and got caught !eric didn't rat cause he was doing it to and everyone did and does in a way they dont get caught now!
                                                        Last edited by WIZARDOFBEANTOWN; 12-18-10, 11:17 PM.
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                                                        • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
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                                                          #29
                                                          hey did they go 15-0 after the fact right??and are they rollling peeps still 45-3 jets you think calls would make a difference !
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                                                          • spongerat
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                                                            #30
                                                            lol everyone loves to hate on Boston and NY sports. Its ok guys, we know its mostly baseless jealousy
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                                                            • WIZARDOFBEANTOWN
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                                                              • 03-18-10
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                                                              #31
                                                              hey dip shit your colts svck this year and manning can read defense with the best of them!brady is = or better at it face it .i'm not saying that it didn't help you still have to do it but brady is straight surgical with the way he shreds defenses same with peyton end of story!
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                                                              • mav2112
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                                                                • 11-01-09
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                                                                #32
                                                                If any one has any public statements on the Pats accusations of cheating by these 3 gentlemen.........please post it or let me know

                                                                Bill Cowher
                                                                Jeff Fisher
                                                                Tony Dungy...............

                                                                These are the 3 coaches who I have been looking for statements on what they thought............

                                                                I have to think these guys have to have an opinion on the subject and their silence speaks volumes to me............

                                                                Maybe Dungy has had a little to say but I cant find anything on Cowher and Fisher............
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                                                                • walshy83
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                                                                  • 06-16-10
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Give me a break here. Pats are not cheating, just kicking ass!!
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                                                                  • mgcolby
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 10-19-07
                                                                    • 950

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by mav2112
                                                                    If any one has any public statements on the Pats accusations of cheating by these 3 gentlemen.........please post it or let me know

                                                                    Bill Cowher
                                                                    Jeff Fisher
                                                                    Tony Dungy...............

                                                                    These are the 3 coaches who I have been looking for statements on what they thought............

                                                                    I have to think these guys have to have an opinion on the subject and their silence speaks volumes to me............

                                                                    Maybe Dungy has had a little to say but I cant find anything on Cowher and Fisher............
                                                                    Bill Cowher, former Pittsburgh Steelers coach and current CBS Sports analyst, joined Felger and Massarotti to talk illegal hits, filming scandals in the NFL & Patriots vs. Jets.


                                                                    Here is Cowher's take on it.
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                                                                    • Bogart45
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                                                                      • 11-21-08
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      This article is nothing but propaganda. It reminds me of the emails hard core republicans like to pass around that are full of half truths that don't lead to the conclusions they are claiming it does. Anyone who buys into this should be embarassed. BTW, here are some of the other article titles in the "NFL Rage" section to give you an idea of what else the fine article writers of MC3 Sports Media (lol who has even heard of these guys?) are up to...


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