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    30x rollover, really?

    Sports betting is legal in Colombia. There's a bunch of small shops I mess with to shop around. One of them offered me a 75% bonus but didn't tell me of a rollover. I had to call.

    30X? I haven't deposited accepted a bonus in a while, is this normal???? Didn't they used to be 5x, 10x?

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    Sounds like a great deal if you just want to gamble and not cash out any time soon but want the action.

    30x is ridiculous though. BOL offers 100% first time crypto @ 14x and a 35% at 6x

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayLA View Post
    Sports betting is legal in Colombia. There's a bunch of small shops I mess with to shop around. One of them offered me a 75% bonus but didn't tell me of a rollover. I had to call.

    30X? I haven't deposited accepted a bonus in a while, is this normal???? Didn't they used to be 5x, 10x?
    No, that is not normal. Typical for 75% cash bonus would be 10-15x.

    Lets say you are average bettor and the book offers reduced juice with 75% CASH bonus, say 2.5% house edge long term.

    Per $100 deposited, after rollover, you are predicted to have:

    (100+75)*(0.975^30) = $81.88

    Say it is standard -110/-110 lines then:

    (100+75)*(0.9745^30) = $43.28

    Obviously not a good bonus.
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    Pros scalp out Low juice places like that betonline and pinnacle

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglesfan371 View Post
    No, that is not normal. Typical for 75% cash bonus would be 10-15x.

    Lets say you are average bettor and the book offers reduced juice with 75% CASH bonus, say 2.5% house edge long term.

    Per $100 deposited, after rollover, you are predicted to have:

    (100+75)*(0.975^30) = $81.88

    Say it is standard -110/-110 lines then:

    (100+75)*(0.9745^30) = $43.28

    Obviously not a good bonus.
    thanks for the math....Terms are nothing lower than 1.60...
    I'm not a pro, or a math guy, but it still seems ridiculous to me. I remember doing well with a 5x rollover at BetDSI years ago but 30x is laughable. I'm going to have to start betting more juice.

    The worst part is that I thought this shop was competing with another that offers similar bonuses at 3x rollover which i thoroughly enjoy responsibly jejeje they recently raised it to 10x. but they dont have limits as to how big the bonus is.


    These guys told me maximum $100.....i should have known.

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    Lol, that pretty crazy but honestly the rollovers never scare me away cause I’m either gonna hit it and then some before trying to cash or go busto anyways! lol. Only exception would be if I’m putting extra in for a certain event I wanna pound, then I don’t take any bonus cause wanna withdrawal my deposit at least after that game hits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglesfan371 View Post
    No, that is not normal. Typical for 75% cash bonus would be 10-15x.

    Lets say you are average bettor and the book offers reduced juice with 75% CASH bonus, say 2.5% house edge long term.

    Per $100 deposited, after rollover, you are predicted to have:

    (100+75)*(0.975^30) = $81.88

    Say it is standard -110/-110 lines then:

    (100+75)*(0.9745^30) = $43.28

    Obviously not a good bonus.
    How would this math work if the average bettor in Colombia bets 1.70 lines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2daBank View Post
    Lol, that pretty crazy but honestly the rollovers never scare me away cause I’m either gonna hit it and then some before trying to cash or go busto anyways! lol. Only exception would be if I’m putting extra in for a certain event I wanna pound, then I don’t take any bonus cause wanna withdrawal my deposit at least after that game hits.
    Help me get this rollover bank! Not even about the money, i just want to show these punks up, not letting me cash out, pussies

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayLA View Post
    thanks for the math....Terms are nothing lower than 1.60...
    I'm not a pro, or a math guy, but it still seems ridiculous to me. I remember doing well with a 5x rollover at BetDSI years ago but 30x is laughable. I'm going to have to start betting more juice.

    The worst part is that I thought this shop was competing with another that offers similar bonuses at 3x rollover which i thoroughly enjoy responsibly jejeje they recently raised it to 10x. but they dont have limits as to how big the bonus is.


    These guys told me maximum $100.....i should have known.
    Oh man, now that fukked up if they have a huge rollover but low limits!! Might as well just send them the money and tell them to keep it, lol,

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayLA View Post
    Help me get this rollover bank! Not even about the money, i just want to show these punks up, not letting me cash out, pussies
    Are they limiting your max bets to 100??

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayLA View Post
    How would this math work if the average bettor in Colombia bets 1.70 lines?
    Lines are 1.7/1.7??? Oh my god.

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    You are better off playing at tipster competition sites if you not looking to cash out really

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    Quote Originally Posted by funnyb25 View Post
    Sounds like a great deal if you just want to gamble and not cash out any time soon but want the action.

    30x is ridiculous though. BOL offers 100% first time crypto @ 14x and a 35% at 6x
    that's what i'm looking it as now, funny. not cashing out and can't get crazy here. i' m stuck. croatia game didnt come through for us despite 2 goal second half, thought that was a good selection regardless. We got games!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglesfan371 View Post
    Lines are 1.7/1.7??? Oh my god.
    noo, they have standard lines, i assume they use betcris. i mean, what's the math if the bettor wagers at 1.70

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    Chase the blues for a road win, pretty confident they will get the split in San Jose and they plus money, love me some 2 game road dog chases in nhl playoffs. Especially w the blues who way better on road than at home. So when series flips to stl we will hopefully get small plus on the sharks and be able to split those 2 games as well!! In a perfect world the road dog cashes gms 1 and 3 then we can hit the home team in 2/4, sometimes works out that way, sometimes not! Lol.,

    Shame this didn’t happen yesterday, I loved the nats last night as fat dogs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2daBank View Post
    Are they limiting your max bets to 100??
    no they dont limit my bets. they limited my deposit. the currency is different but i got about 200 in there now

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayLA View Post
    no they dont limit my bets. they limited my deposit. the currency is different but i got about 200 in there now
    Ah, gotcha. Guess limiting your deposit is effectively limiting your bets early on at least, lol. I just got home fixing to do the mlb card, I’ll post anything that sticks out.

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    ask for the fine print before you deposit anywhere next time

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    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    Parlay dodgers each day with your best. Dodgers to win 50 of next 60.
    I tried to warn you bout them yesterday Pal. Nats was one of best bets I’ve seen all year imo. Just odds of them winning compared to where the price was, i actually had them as small favs and they were better than +130!! Wish I could find one that sweet every day!! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayLA View Post
    no they dont limit my bets. they limited my deposit. the currency is different but i got about 200 in there now
    You can make $3000 rollover on $200. Well it's possible. Bad deal you got stuck with but dont give it up.


    have you thought about betting the other side of games in another book to try to 'transfer' the money out that way?

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    Is it $3000?

    As in 30x deposit amount alone?

    If so, it's not as high as it sounds compared to offers that include the bonus and/or winnings from it in the rollover calculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    You can make $3000 rollover on $200. Well it's possible. Bad deal you got stuck with but dont give it up.


    have you thought about betting the other side of games in another book to try to 'transfer' the money out that way?
    Yea they only let me deposit $50 lol. That's the worst part. I thought they limited my deposit cause there wasn't a rollover....ugh.

    Yea, that's a fantastic idea. Thanks Optional! I'm on my way to the Na$car forum hehehehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Is it $3000?

    As in 30x deposit amount alone?

    If so, it's not as high as it sounds compared to offers that include the bonus and/or winnings from it in the rollover calculation.
    ok so maximum $50 deposit and 75% bonus on that...30x rollover to withdrawal.
    It's made for suckers. The email, the landing page, nothing had any info about 30x rollover. It's so shady. I had to call (not even; email - no live chat) and then they sent me a link to an obscure part of their website to read the fine print. I dont want to name them to avoid any kind of publicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayLA View Post
    ok so maximum $50 deposit and 75% bonus on that...30x rollover to withdrawal.
    It's made for suckers. The email, the landing page, nothing had any info about 30x rollover. It's so shady. I had to call (not even; email - no live chat) and then they sent me a link to an obscure part of their website to read the fine print. I dont want to name them to avoid any kind of publicity.
    Have they told you the total rollover amount required in $$?

    If it's 75% cash and it's 30 times just the deposit amount, so in your case would be $1500 in bets. Then it isn't such a bad deal really.

    Not great but would equate to other places who call their rollover say 18X, but it means 18 x Deposit+Bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayLA View Post
    ok so maximum $50 deposit and 75% bonus on that...30x rollover to withdrawal.
    It's made for suckers. The email, the landing page, nothing had any info about 30x rollover. It's so shady. I had to call (not even; email - no live chat) and then they sent me a link to an obscure part of their website to read the fine print. I dont want to name them to avoid any kind of publicity.
    No live chat sucks, I hate having to call!! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    You can make $3000 rollover on $200. Well it's possible. Bad deal you got stuck with but dont give it up.


    have you thought about betting the other side of games in another book to try to 'transfer' the money out that way?
    this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Have they told you the total rollover amount required in $$?

    If it's 75% cash and it's 30 times just the deposit amount, so in your case would be $1500 in bets. Then it isn't such a bad deal really.

    Not great but would equate to other places who call their rollover say 18X, but it means 18 x Deposit+Bonus.
    good question.

    the figures they say on the website is 30x the bonus. so i deposited maximum 150.000 COP, about $50. they told me i had to rollover the 116.500 or something. 75% of the deposit. the exact rollover numbers are refected in percentages....i've done 19%...

    deposit 150.000 ($50)
    bonus 112.500

    bet
    bet 50.000
    bet 42.5
    bet 70.000
    bet 100.000
    bet 100.000
    bet 50.000
    bet 50.000
    bet 100.000
    bet 25.000
    bet 84.000

    current state: 537.500
    progress: 19%

    .....i assume i have to bet 80% more to cash out. I'm trying to avoid speaking to these dumbass kids who have no idea what im talking about

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManosdePiedra View Post
    this
    yea i do this with SBR Sportsbook points, i get it.

    still not right by them....advertise the 30x rollover oysters

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    That sounds like it is 30 x Deposit + Bonus. Yuk.

    Looks like you are capable of grinding it down from that bet history and current balance though.

    Make em pay

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2daBank View Post
    No live chat sucks, I hate having to call!! Lol
    to be honest bank, at this point, i want answers. all of these books know how much i lose. gimmie a real rooster_eater to break down. dont give me your min. wage guy..

    oh yea, i lose. not like the pros here lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    current state: 537.500
    progress: 19%


    That sounds like it is 30 x Deposit + Bonus. Yuk.

    Looks like you are capable of grinding it down from that bet history and current balance though.

    Make em pay

    I'll try opti. been reading everthing you have to say for a while. thanks for everything. SBR's cool by me, despite the ghosts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayLA View Post
    to be honest bank, at this point, i want answers. all of these books know how much i lose. gimmie a real rooster_eater to break down. dont give me your min. wage guy..

    oh yea, i lose. not like the pros here lol
    Lol. You not alone pal!! I might be pretty solid capping them, actually winning money a whole different story!! Lmao

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