Who thinks Magic Johnson really had AIDS?

[ShamsWoof10]

Yeah great video... I love this quote, "Money is stronger than truth..." When you get funded $14 out of $15 for AIDS research, how can you fight this HIV conspiracy?

Before this video, I still thought HIV caused AIDS but after listening to Dr. Duesberg, he changed my mind completely. It's just sad that he knew this from the late 80s and even now, they just want to shut him up. We live in a fvcked up world.

As for Magic Johnson, I'm surprised his doctors didn't make him take AZT. That's why he is still healthy. AZT kills all cells, how can it not kill you eventually? How can the government let people ingest poison? It's called billions and billions of dollars.

Good post but it's not called money it's called population control... The elite own the places that print money so it's nothing more then paper from a printer to them... I also agree that it's a great video and what's really f*cked up is the copyright.. 1996... AZT has something in it called a "microplasma" which destroys the DNA of cells and is too fine to be detected by a normal blood test...

Yeah I liked Dr. Duesberg in that video he was good... My favorite quote is when Dr. Duesberg was pointing out how they use corralation to identify AIDS paitients... If you have the flu and HIV neg. then you just have the flu but if you have the flu and are HIV positive then you have AIDS... he said "That's the offical defintion ..NOT MY JOKE..".. hahahaha

[Dark Horse]

Shamswoof, one man can only fight so many battles. By fighting too many, he risks losing his edge and along with that his credibility. At present, I'm working on something that looks a lot more promising, in terms of personal benefit, than a battle against the medical industry. I long ago made a choice in terms on what type of medical care I rely on, and that ends the issue for me. As far as I'm concerned, everybody has that same choice. Sorry to disappoint you.

[LargeMouthBass]

The elite own the places that print money so it's nothing more then paper from a printer to them...

Huh? You lost me there.

[LargeMouthBass]

As far as I'm concerned, everybody has that same choice. Sorry to disappoint you.

Not always, if an infant is HIV+ and the mother doesn't want her child to partake in AZT treatment, the child can be taken away.

You are just a sad soul, seek help man. Is life that bad where you are always seeing the darkside? Just take some AZT, don't prolong your misery. GL

[ShamsWoof10]

Huh? You lost me there.

The elite use money to control the masses.. Think about it they only make a policy for something to be done and if the masses said no then they are not getting up out of their chair to do it themselves... They make us believe pretty paper is so valuable... It's only a median between good and services and people never redeem most of their paper and save as much as they can for life... This keeps the masses in line because they will do it for money even though it might not be in their best interest... What I mean is the paper comes from somewhere and that somewhere like the federal reserve which is a coporation they owned among other global printing presses... Banks it goes through like the ROTHCHILD bank of Berlin, England as well as other elitists besides the ROTHCHILD's who by chance all happen to have these international banks named after them...so money is not the elite's concern... They want to gain wealth don't get me wrong but their wealth is knowledge and I can't even begin to guess how far ahead they are over the normal population... Technology trickles out a little at a time and from what I understand we are in for one nice as* trickle starting now and going well into the next decade... TECH. BOOM well to us anyway...

I see the No's are starting to take the lead... They should.. lol

[LargeMouthBass]

Sham you are mislead, where do you think the money for all the research come from? From the tax payers... Who do you think makes the money? The pharmaceutical companies and research organizations and indirectly our government since these companies and organizations use lobbyists to let them be...

You missed some points from the video, I think you need to watch it again. It's the money that drives this BS not for population control.

[Dark Horse]

Not always, if an infant is HIV+ and the mother doesn't want her child to partake in AZT treatment, the child can be taken away.

You are just a sad soul, seek help man. Is life that bad where you are always seeing the darkside? Just take some AZT, don't prolong your misery. GL

You need to learn to read. Or do you just lift out isolated sentences so you can attach your own sick interpretations to them?



I explained, not to you but to Shamwoof, why I wouldn't delve deeper into investigating this dark plot in a sad world. And that, in your eyes, makes me a sad soul who always sees the dark side. Very funny.

[ShamsWoof10]

Sham you are mislead, where do you think the money for all the research come from? From the tax payers... Who do you think makes the money? The pharmaceutical companies and research organizations and indirectly our government since these companies and organizations use lobbyists to let them be...

You missed some points from the video, I think you need to watch it again. It's the money that drives this BS not for population control.

NO SIR not at all I think I hit it on the nail and I have watched that video at least 20 times... I knew about population control long before the video but it even points out "Global 2000" and Henry Kissenger... AIDS is selective genocide on the one end and because the public has fear they use more protection and the birth rate falls...

As far as the money you gave a good point to my point.. The researchers do research for what... MONEY and get paid to play into the game... Without them it can not exist to the level that it does... You have to show you are fighting it on one hand to maintain the false pretence... Money is used to make the masses do things and it is simply printed and an infanite amount can be created so with that said how can you think money is hardly valuable....?

The "MICOPLASMA" from my understanding was developed for the purpose of treatment back in the mid 50's under CIA code name MK NAOMI
THIS IS VALUABLE!!!
oh nevermind I was going to link some article from the Koren Times about a molecule that regenerates human cells... I bet not only was that article retracted but the technology was discovered ahead of it's time and the GOV. classified it under "national security"... think about it with that type of technology what kind of population problem would we have..? The elite who manage the masses KNOW THIS and have DECADES AGO!!!

[BrentCrude]

Do you ever wonder why these people in the illuminati aka.secret society new world order with trillions of dollars even waste time coming up with ways to boss people around and set their agendas.Aren't there better things to do when you have billions at your dosposal than to sit around schmoozing with blue haired saggy teeted old bittys with their husbands that talk like William F.Buckley.How many of these people actually have fun in life with no pressure eating what they want etc.?Try getting a woman in the hood with 5 bastards to live like these elitist snobs and they would say they are being misstreated.On CNBC business they do some segment like what the power brokers eat for lunch and no street person in their right mind would want to eat that crap.If the elitist snobs ever went to an all you can eat $5 breakfast buffet in Vegas they would be dead or they would be on blood cleansing machines or ventilators for a month after.Ever take a tour of a mansion where a captain of industry lived in the early 1900's?If you took a few welfare kids from the ghetto and gave them that lifestyle they would hang themselves.No soda pop,no good tasting fun junk food,no video games,no satellite t.v.,no cell phones,no team jerseys or baggy pants,no Nike's,no gambling and no fridge full of 40 ouncers.etc.etc.etc.etc.The Great Gatsby set play parcheesy and croquet for entertainment and drink freshly squeezed lemonade and read classic poetry and they belong to rowing clubs and such.People working minimum wage wouldn't envy them if they lived their lifestyle for a week.They did that dumb sitcom called the Simple Life but they should do a reverse one with gang bangers from the hood who say their life sucks because of the man living like the richest people did back in 1910 or even today.I can just hear someone saying,Jammaal,eat your watercrest sandwich or go to your room and read the bible. hehe!

I guess the irony of it all is that the power brokers in the world that supposedly have the good life really don't after all.Do you think that phoney bologna,plastic banana fake multi accented bitch Hillary has one minute in life where it's not some phoney production where everything isn't choreographed where she isn't a socialist robot.

[Dark Horse]

If I may share something from my own experience.

If you want to be credible with these type of subjects, you need to do the groundwork, the research, and a convincing presentation. That takes thousands upon thousands of hours per subject. The fact that many people, after all that, still don't want to hear, doesn't mean you can afford to lay off on the workload. If you don't complete the research and instead jump all over the place with one 'conspiracy' after another, even if you should be right in many instances, you're only providing critics and skeptics with ammunition.

One thing to avoid is the temptation to jump to a conclusion after the official story has been discredited. That is just the first step.

My only (truly) substantial research into conspiracies has been of 9/11, an event I investigated because of the long and convenient (to some) shadow it cast. I've become 100% convinced that 9/11 was an inside job, but that doesn't mean that I can assume people are ready to hear that. And this research touched upon so many side areas that I don't need another angle of attack, such as AIDS, to understand and fight the level of corruption that we are faced with. I prefer to fight one battle, and fight it well, rather than ten and lose them all. (It takes only one cut to slice somebody's throat; you don't need a whole bunch of fancy moves).

[jjgold]

We all know Magic is gay, he definately was doing high risk stuff with black guys which are a high risk category, maybe this is the case like Tommy Morrison. I think one of Magic's gay lover had aids and he got nervous.

[ShamsWoof10]

We all know Magic is gay, he definately was doing high risk stuff with black guys which are a high risk category, maybe this is the case like Tommy Morrison. I think one of Magic's gay lover had aids and he got nervous.

JJ please.... you don't even know you're sexuality how you gonna know about the Majic Man's...? I don't think he was gay at all although there is some of that underground sh*t with black men going on I just don't think Majic was a part of it and was simply a part of a media campaign to promote HIV/AIDS FRAUD!!!...

[tacomax]

Yeah I liked Dr. Duesberg in that video he was good... My favorite quote is when Dr. Duesberg was pointing out how they use corralation to identify AIDS paitients... If you have the flu and HIV neg. then you just have the flu but if you have the flu and are HIV positive then you have AIDS... he said "That's the offical defintion ..NOT MY JOKE..".. hahahaha

It's not the official definition. You might have been convinced by everything you watched in the video, it doesn't mean to say it's all true.

Can you point me to the "official definition" which states that you are diagnosed with AIDS solely because you HIV positive and have the 'flu?

[tacomax]

JJ please.... you don't even know you're sexuality how you gonna know about the Majic Man's...?

I think he heard about it on a video he watched on google. By definition, that must make it true.

[mavs1978]

you ****ing retards.. magic does take medicine and when he does not take it the virus re-appears...

a publicity stunt? omg.. that is insane

[ShamsWoof10]

[ShamsWoof10]

It's not the official definition. You might have been convinced by everything you watched in the video, it doesn't mean to say it's all true.

Can you point me to the "official definition" which states that you are diagnosed with AIDS solely because you HIV positive and have the 'flu?

Point to me where I said that was the offical definition... I was quoted him and I said that...

That is ahhhhh what "my favorite quote" meant Taco...

[BrentCrude]

Did he ever infect any of the groupies he probably bedded down in each NBA city or was his preference fudge packing guys?At first everyone thought he was Wilt Chamberlin but stories came out where he was more like Greg Luganis.

Any which way you spin it,it was sickening to see he was portrayed as a hero by the black community,academia,the media,the government as a whole,Bush etc.

Here he had a wife,a kid,and one on the way at home and he was risking their health catting around and his wife stood by her man.And then you get some women who give the reason for dumping there husband as,he left the toilet seat up and left the cap off the tooth paste too often.

[durito]

Wow. It may be 8 months old, but as usual an SBR thread is full of factual inaccuracies.

Magic has never had AIDS. He has HIV, it has never become AIDS.

Magic, like millions of others who have access to anti-retro viral drugs will most likely be able to live fairly normal lives without ever developing full blown AIDS.

[Charger42]

Im sure he did, why else would he leave the game for nothing. Not to own movie theaters im sure

[pico]

There is a good likelyhood he did but HIV is, according to these scientists, an old virus that is harmless and that 90% of males are HIV positive... I think the media slips a lot when they call AIDS a virus... It is NOT... how do I know..well look at AIDS... Acquired Imune Deficiency Syndrome..<<< now this last word although probably misspelled tells you it's not a virus... Syndrome is like Disorder... Does someone who has ADD have the ADD virus..? NO!!

Not only doesn't HIV cause AIDS but it doesn't cause anything...

you're now officially on my idiot list. do you have a source or you are just quoting from your memory?

[pico]

nevermind, you're just a conspiracy nut

http://www.duesberg.com/

[ShamsWoof10]

nevermind, you're just a conspiracy nut

http://www.duesberg.com/

That's what I F*CKIN' THOUGHT biiiiiiatch!

He must be some MIT nut right..?

[pico]

That's what I F*CKIN' THOUGHT biiiiiiatch!

He must be some MIT nut right..?

been to MIT...plenty of nuts there. my former roommate is one of them. they don't give out common sense or psycho eveluations at the orientation. smart nut is still a nut

[ShamsWoof10]

been to MIT...plenty of nuts there. my former roommate is one of them. they don't give out common sense or psycho eveluations at the orientation. smart nut is still a nut

Not to mention I don't just sit here and google sh*t like most... You can't disprove it you resort to the word "conspiracy"... Very good! I am nosey and ask questions no matter how rude... I had talked to in person three differant nurses who specifically handle so called AIDS victims... My friend dated a nurse (not to mention two other girls on the side) who ended up being a traveling nurse and that was what she did in San Fransico for 10 months I think..imagine that S.F.!

OT: They make some good money as traveling nurses I didn't realize how much!

I asked her specifically "do they get worse when they begin taking the medication yes or no..?"

She said they get much worse but she is not sure that there is a correlation there... She did say it was possible...

[louisvillekid]

i see this is an old post , but since it has been resurrected i'll comment.
like many have pointed out, having HIV and AIDS are 2 different things, i think it goes like this, HIV can cause AIDS, after your T-cells(i think that is what their called) drop to a certain level they consider you to have AIDS, but people live many years with HIV. now Magic could of originally had a false positive and been treated for years like Tommy Morrison(the boxer), and then found out he doesn't have it and just keeps letting people think he does for a public service type thing, or he might just be so freakin rich that he has had state-of-the-art medical care and now the virus isn't detectable in him, thats not to say he still couldn't infect someone.
i just always remember this stand-up comedy from a comedian named Patrice O'Neal (hes always making comments on those VH1 "best of shows" or "top list of something shows"), he did a bit, where he said something like "If I ever get HIV, I want the kind Magic Johnson, dude owning sports teams, movie theaters , investing in real estate, getting fat, traveling all over, the dudes did more on HIV than when he wasn't"
now thats not verbatim, but it was something like that.

[pico]

There is a good likelyhood he did but HIV is, according to these scientists, an old virus that is harmless and that 90% of males are HIV positive... I think the media slips a lot when they call AIDS a virus... It is NOT... how do I know..well look at AIDS... Acquired Imune Deficiency Syndrome..<<< now this last word although probably misspelled tells you it's not a virus... Syndrome is like Disorder... Does someone who has ADD have the ADD virus..? NO!!

Not only doesn't HIV cause AIDS but it doesn't cause anything...

It is estimated that about 0.6% of the world's population is infected with HIV.

that is a big difference

[ShamsWoof10]

It is estimated that about 0.6% of the world's population is infected with HIV.

that is a big difference

BY F*CKIN' WHO..????

i see this is an old post , but since it has been resurrected i'll comment.
like many have pointed out, having HIV and AIDS are 2 different things, i think it goes like this, HIV can cause AIDS, after your T-cells(i think that is what their called) drop to a certain level they consider you to have AIDS, but people live many years with HIV. now Magic could of originally had a false positive and been treated for years like Tommy Morrison(the boxer), and then found out he doesn't have it and just keeps letting people think he does for a public service type thing, or he might just be so freakin rich that he has had state-of-the-art medical care and now the virus isn't detectable in him, thats not to say he still couldn't infect someone.
i just always remember this stand-up comedy from a comedian named Patrice O'Neal (hes always making comments on those VH1 "best of shows" or "top list of something shows"), he did a bit, where he said something like "If I ever get HIV, I want the kind Magic Johnson, dude owning sports teams, movie theaters , investing in real estate, getting fat, traveling all over, the dudes did more on HIV than when he wasn't"
now thats not verbatim, but it was something like that.

Well I agree to a degree... Here is what made me suspect it's bullsh*t... Yes from what I understand you are classified as having AIDS when your T-Cell count get below I THINK 200... I use to give plasma in the early 90's when I briefly went to OSU... Hey I needed money... You can get that checked... I used to and it was like clock work... When you take care of yourself your T-Cell count soars and when you do what I did (no activity, eat like sh*t, drugs (mostly pot), and didn't sleep much) it drops out of the sky now imagine throwing crack/cocaine in there...

What I am saying is you can raise it by changing your habbits as they say in the video... I have done it... The general theory is that once you have a low count you need treatment... I would have SHOT someone if they gave me treatment I'll tell you that RIGHT NOW!!!

LK why is AIDS refered to as a VIRUS..?

This also fits the script of everything else that is a fraud... They take something like terrorism (which they are behind) so it exists but not how we think it does... Same thing here AIDS MAY exist but not how we percieve it to...

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYIN'....

[pico]

BY F*CKIN' WHO..????

http://data.unaids.org/pub/GlobalReport/2006/2006_GR_CH02_en.pdf

anyways, is there point arguing with you? all you do is discredit published stats cite arguments from others like you.

[ShamsWoof10]

http://data.unaids.org/pub/GlobalRep...GR_CH02_en.pdf


anyways, is there point arguing with you? all you do is discredit published stats cite arguments from others like you.

I discredit it because I talk to people I ask questions I try things I actually care if I am being lied to about IMPORTANT SH*T so when someone has little care of knowledge and thinks "conspiracy" trumps everything then yeah THERE IS NO POINT YOU'RE DAMN STRAIGHT!!!!!

Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome

How is it a VIRUS again..????

Pico you have over 5K posts you should know that throwing the word "conspiracy" at me is one good way to stir things up! I HATE THAT WORD as an explanation!

[frostno98]

After some researching, it is said that he's wife or new born son never got infected. I'm guessing he gets tested after every encounter he had with woman before sleeping with his wife again.

[ShamsWoof10]

After some researching, it is said that he's wife or new born son never got infected. I'm guessing he gets tested after every encounter he had with woman before sleeping with his wife again.

I'm going to play along that it is as stated for this post only and that being said... I think it takes two weeks for test results (not sure about the 80's)... Now keep in mind the "VIRUS" was announced in April of 84'.. He could have not slept with anyone else from 1980-1985 and then didn't sleep with more then one random girl every 2-3 weeks...

Ganch. any odds on this..?

[swede96]

While you're all discussing conspiracy theories, people are dying. Good people are dying.

HIV weakens your immune system to the point where you contract AIDS.

The HIV virus has no cure because it mutates. The strains present in America when Magic Johnson became infected with HIV were not as strong as the ones present today. Many people live for years being HIV positive before it turns to AIDS. Sometimes it never gets to that point. If you become HIV positive, there is no guaruntee you'll contract AIDS, but I don't know of anyone in the world diagnosed with AIDS that didn't start off HIV positive.

Again, blast me with your theories, but it's obvious none of you have never seen someone you truly love contract this virus. AIDS is real....HIV can cause it. Good people die from it.

[swede96]

We all know Magic is gay, he definately was doing high risk stuff with black guys which are a high risk category, maybe this is the case like Tommy Morrison. I think one of Magic's gay lover had aids and he got nervous.

Please tell me you're kidding....or living in 1981.

[swede96]

It's not the official definition. You might have been convinced by everything you watched in the video, it doesn't mean to say it's all true.

Can you point me to the "official definition" which states that you are diagnosed with AIDS solely because you HIV positive and have the 'flu?

It all gets twisted, Taco. If you are HIV pos and your viral level get above a certain number, you're diagnosed with AIDS (I believe, I'm still working on research myself), because it then needs to be managed with Meds. SO, if your are HIV pos and on the brink of being diagnosed with AIDS, I would imagine that catching the flu VIRUS would push your viral level over the edge. So then a doctor comes along and makes a comment like that...and his sheep believe...