I agree. Line should of opened at -4 IMO. Already booked the -3. Robert has been an absolute STUD.
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pavyracer
SBR Aristocracy
04-12-07
82490
#3
Who did the Charges beat easily this year? Both their wins are by one score.
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Brock Landers
SBR Aristocracy
06-30-08
45360
#4
Umm
The raiders are one of two undefeated teams and every bit as good as the chargers
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carolinakid
SBR Posting Legend
01-12-11
19106
#5
plus at this time the 3 is a very weak 3 too
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carolinakid
SBR Posting Legend
01-12-11
19106
#6
it open -3-117, it stands now-3-05
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jjgold
SBR Aristocracy
07-20-05
388189
#7
Pound Chargers
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mtofell
SBR Wise Guy
09-21-13
744
#8
The Chargers have an amazing knack for losing games. They have pissed away at least a half dozen games over the last couple years that they easily should have won. Obviously, Herbert's youth is part of it and it does seem to be getting better but I think this line is right about where it should be. The Raiders are a solid team. Personally, I just like the over. Picking a side on this is a total coin toss.
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Brock Landers
SBR Aristocracy
06-30-08
45360
#9
Originally posted by jjgold
Pound Chargers
That Is the kind of analysis and thoughtful discussion I'm looking for!
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KVB
SBR Aristocracy
05-29-14
74817
#10
My stacking percentages forecast has LA winning with 23 points to Vegas' 21 points. The non predictive public gauge shows LA winning 24-23. A variety of forecasts covering a spectrum of handicapping sophistication has this game with similar numbers as those.
There are some groups of market readers, along certain forecast that will trigger Chargers here at -3 and they are betting it, and there is pressure against the Raider moneyline, and the general public is not exactly sold on LAC yet, even if they did beat KC.
When it comes to that moneyline, some teams, when losing a few in a row, will garner mounting pressure to get that win and it will show up in the market. Other teams, like the Raiders, will garner mounting pressure to lose if they have won a few in a row. This will translate to LA moneyline bets not because they favor LA, but because those bettors seek a Vegas failure.
Over the short term some teams the public will support, others they will abandon, it becomes a different story long term with pressures waning as the market tires and then building again.
But don't let that distract you Gold, the UNDER is where the pros are right now.
With a variety of sharp line beating forecasts we are capturing a shit ton of numbers, stacking those percentages even further. Even with a 51.5 line we can get 51, 50, 48, 47, even with some small rounding we can get 44.
The stacking percentages forecast is 57-42-1 against the closing line over the last 100 plays and has won 115 out of the last 200 plays against the Total, a cool clean 57.5%
With these particular numbers captured the win percentage on the Total is even higher among the subset.
There is also evidence that the market has overestimated LA this season when it comes to scoring, even accounting for the noise of opponenets, and while that has lessened to a degree, there is evidence it is still happening.
When it comes to the Vegas, evidence shows they have been underestimated by the market, but to about 1/2 the degree that that LA has been overstimated.
Of course, the NFL is all about those reversals so, sucked into this play or not, we like the UNDER.
Good Luck whatever you bet.
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lakerboy
SBR Aristocracy
04-02-09
94368
#11
Looks easy. They beat kc last time so I can't take them.
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SamsNCharge99
SBR Aristocracy
10-22-08
41242
#12
this seems like a chargers win by 1-2 points by last second FG to win
a push on MNF is not what the books are looking for
whose buying the hook?
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kidcudi92
SBR Posting Legend
12-14-11
15434
#13
Originally posted by mtofell
The Chargers have an amazing knack for losing games. They have pissed away at least a half dozen games over the last couple years that they easily should have won. Obviously, Herbert's youth is part of it and it does seem to be getting better but I think this line is right about where it should be. The Raiders are a solid team. Personally, I just like the over. Picking a side on this is a total coin toss.
Thank Lynn for that shit
Different team now
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Roscoe_Word
SBR MVP
02-28-12
3999
#14
Originally posted by SamsNCharge99
this seems like a chargers win by 1-2 points by last second FG to win
a push on MNF is not what the books are looking for
whose buying the hook?
Pretty expensive buying off of 3, Sam.
Not bettin the game, but I'd stick with the 3 either way.
Plus might be a late line move to knock it off 3.
GL
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Shutup
SBR MVP
12-15-17
2436
#15
After a big dog win against a rival expected to win the division you get let downs
And if the oddsmakers put it at 3...more likely than not home team won't cover
I do lean Chargers but do not like the situation for either team
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stake1
SBR Posting Legend
12-19-18
18116
#16
Lac's are going to win and cover. they have the better defense by miles, and gus bradley will blitz his old team until his headset breaks, giving up huge chunks at a time. key for me, chargers defense is healthy. major edge. May not be that way on Jan. 9, 2022 in Las Vegas. Tonight that is the key. They will dominate gruden
I love Lombardi vs bradley and can't wait for Staley to smash Gruden with his D
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DwightShrute
SBR Aristocracy
01-17-09
102428
#17
Raiders 29-26 F/OT
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Mike Huntertz
SBR Posting Legend
08-19-09
11204
#18
LAR won two games in OT Balt and Mia the other win was the hapless Steelers.
LAC beat KC, lost to Dallas by 3 and beat Wash.
SOS is Chargers 4th and Raiders 25th
IMHO: Both numbers are too low....over and Chargers for me.
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Renegades
SBR Hall of Famer
10-12-11
5290
#19
Eye test of the LAC offense is not that impressive
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Fred The Hammer
SBR Posting Legend
08-13-13
11570
#20
Bottom line totals wise is that every Primetime game that looked like it had Over potential has been Over. 8 for 8 by my count
Nobody thought Over with the Carolina TNF or Jags/Bengals. Nobody should've thought Over last night with Belechik and the rain. The other 8? All Over
Chargers defense scares me a little. They should win the game, but Carr is playing well. Even a game like Dallas/LAC that was only 20-17 was misleading because both had over 400 yards of offense. Do that in Primetime and they somehow go Over 80-90% of the time. Just like Raiders/Baltimore. Most of the Primetime games go nuts 4Q. GB/SF shouldn't have gone Over either but it did
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Kindred
SBR MVP
09-09-08
2901
#21
Originally posted by jjgold
Raiders win birthday type games
Chargers should win easy
We are due for a damn blowout on a night game
because oddsmakers were smoking crack, go take out a second mortgage, bet the rent
or just roll with the oddsmakers and take da raiders
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Snowball
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
11-15-09
30042
#22
last team with possession wins type of night probably
defenses weak
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aman86
SBR MVP
08-29-09
3115
#23
Originally posted by lakerboy
Looks easy. They beat kc last time so I can't take them.
what a donkey reply... how chargers look easy makes no sense especially when 74% of the crows are raiders fans lol... can't sbrforum afford a better pundit
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Covering the #
SBR Wise Guy
02-19-17
967
#24
Can't trust Chargers giving up points. They rarely cover. As an underdog yes take them but not as a favorite.
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gauchojake
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
09-17-10
34103
#25
jj remember when you lost all that money on the Chargers at the last second??????????
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DrunkHorseplayer
SBR Hall of Famer
05-15-10
7719
#26
The line is right where it should be; gun to head, Chargers.
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KVB
SBR Aristocracy
05-29-14
74817
#27
On Vegas +3 as a contrarian play.
Good Luck, bitches.
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jjgold
SBR Aristocracy
07-20-05
388189
#28
Good start chargers
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KVB
SBR Aristocracy
05-29-14
74817
#29
Originally posted by KVB
...But don't let that distract you Gold, the UNDER is where the pros are right now...
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johnnyvegas13
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
05-21-15
27814
#30
Originally posted by Covering the #
Can't trust Chargers giving up points. They rarely cover. As an underdog yes take them but not as a favorite.
This might b the first time they win a big gm as a fav
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JIBBBY
SBR Aristocracy
12-10-09
83691
#31
JJ knows foozball!! Don't question him and just tail!!
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Wrongside
SBR MVP
09-26-15
3579
#32
Classic Gold thread. This why he gets paid the big bucks
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KiDBaZkiT
SBR Posting Legend
10-20-09
14962
#33
Originally posted by JIBBBY
JJ knows foozball!! Don't question him and just tail!!
Over the Top gif??????
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manny24
SBR Posting Legend
10-22-07
20046
#34
Originally posted by kidcudi92
Thank Lynn for that shit
Different team now
he would of found a way to lose last night Cuddles
lynn joins wade phillips as two of the worst head football coaches ever