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  • Fred The Hammer
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 08-13-13
    • 11582

    #1
    Online Blackjack 51 Winning Sessions 3 Losing Sessions! How is this possible?
    Playing Double Deck on Ignition (Bovada) Dealer stays on all 17s

    I play $1 a hand to start with the goal of +$4. I try to walk away with any $10+ loss. Since Jan. 1, I'm +$318 with only 3 losses ($5, $13.50, and $30). Biggest wins are $21, $18, $17, and $12. My thing is that it has to be a computer glitch. Nobody wins over 94% of their sessions.

    I'm thinking basically they let you win in the hopes to suck you in. I think its working.
  • pablo222
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 01-03-19
    • 8858

    #2
    Watch your luck change once you increase bet size.
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    • Fred The Hammer
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 08-13-13
      • 11582

      #3
      Originally posted by pablo222
      Watch your luck change once you increase bet size.
      Thats why I don't.

      Make that 52-3. Just made $14, but that one was a little hairy. Trying to get to +4 and lost a double down. Got down about $15, but after I lose 3x then I double my bet. Lose that and I quit, but I hit a double down. Weird. You're right though....if I started playing $15 per hand then they'd suddenly hit everything.
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      • jjgold
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 07-20-05
        • 388179

        #4
        just grind away
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        • Fred The Hammer
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 08-13-13
          • 11582

          #5
          Originally posted by jjgold
          just grind away
          Weird. I play $11 and $21 double-up sit-n-gos. Lose on some insane bs then get it right back in blackjack KK vs K7 earlier.

          I've now had 22 straight winning sessions since losing $30. Granted a session might be 2 hands if I make $4.
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          • romecloneout
            SBR MVP
            • 02-06-11
            • 2243

            #6
            ask captrobey about the online casino
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            • Hman
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 11-04-17
              • 21429

              #7
              I've had some good success playing online blackjack over the years.

              But also some bad.

              Always remember, just like any video game, there are difficulty settings.

              If you have a few days of winning, then suddenly things go haywire and you keep losing good hands while the dealer keeps hitting 20 & 21, putting together miraculous hands one after another, it's your sign to get out.

              This is where our competitive and stubborn nature always works against us and it's difficult to leave.
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              • pologq
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 10-07-12
                • 19899

                #8
                Originally posted by Hman
                I've had some good success playing online blackjack over the years.

                But also some bad.

                Always remember, just like any video game, there are difficulty settings.

                If you have a few days of winning, then suddenly things go haywire and you keep losing good hands while the dealer keeps hitting 20 & 21, putting together miraculous hands one after another, it's your sign to get out.

                This is where our competitive and stubborn nature always works against us and it's difficult to leave.
                well said

                i have played in online casinos. never worked out good in the long run cause i ignore this warning sign. my new thing is keeping the bet at $5 and taking small wins. i do not increase my bet but do double down if the situation calls for it. i find as soon as i start to chase losses the machine will kick my ass. Pulls 21 on 5 cards after having 15 already on their first 2 cards is my favorite. That happens more often than it should.
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                • DrunkHorseplayer
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 05-15-10
                  • 7719

                  #9
                  Quit right now and don't go back.
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                  • ichiro4thehall
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 12-02-09
                    • 244

                    #10
                    I don't understand why you have wins bigger than 4 bucks if this is your goal and you stop at your goal.

                    The probability you ask about is pretty easy to calculate for anyone with a decent grasp of statistics. Unfortunately, my old brain can't remember my uni stats classes too well. Try asking for the probability in the think tank.

                    My old brain does know though that there is no way to employ any type of stop win staking plan to beat any online blackjack game. So i'd quit when you are on the very nice side of variance.
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                    • BuckyOne
                      SBR MVP
                      • 01-02-15
                      • 2728

                      #11
                      I like the way you keep track. You are playing with their money - play as long as it works.
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                      • Fred The Hammer
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 08-13-13
                        • 11582

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ichiro4thehall
                        I don't understand why you have wins bigger than 4 bucks if this is your goal and you stop at your goal.

                        The probability you ask about is pretty easy to calculate for anyone with a decent grasp of statistics. Unfortunately, my old brain can't remember my uni stats classes too well. Try asking for the probability in the think tank.

                        My old brain does know though that there is no way to employ any type of stop win staking plan to beat any online blackjack game. So i'd quit when you are on the very nice side of variance.
                        Solid responses from all. I appreciate it! Good question on the $4. Nearly all of the winning sessions are $3-$4.50, but I hate to stop in the middle of a heater as well.

                        Tougher today. Took a $-21 loss before I walked away for a bit. Now at 58-4 overall (+$337) Here's where discipline kicks in. I was down like $15 on 1 session with a double down of $9. If I lose I quit. I won so that put me at +3 for the session. I then wagered $1 then $2 with the goal of +4. Sounds a little like the Martingale system, but I know thats a loser.
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                        • Fred The Hammer
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                          • 08-13-13
                          • 11582

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ichiro4thehall
                          I don't understand why you have wins bigger than 4 bucks if this is your goal and you stop at your goal.

                          The probability you ask about is pretty easy to calculate for anyone with a decent grasp of statistics. Unfortunately, my old brain can't remember my uni stats classes too well. Try asking for the probability in the think tank.

                          My old brain does know though that there is no way to employ any type of stop win staking plan to beat any online blackjack game. So i'd quit when you are on the very nice side of variance.
                          Oh I've been in finance. What I'm saying is that 51-3 or 58-4 is virtually impossible with a legit game like you might see at a casino. A computer program of blackjack is something different. If I suddenly started playing $15-$20 a hand then it wouldn't matter in a casino, but I absolutely guarantee it would trigger these programs to start whipping my ass. I'm no spring chicken either (53)
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                          • newton0038
                            SBR MVP
                            • 03-07-07
                            • 2389

                            #14
                            My guess is they have flipped u to the dealer side of the RNG and just fuked up, them is dealer win rates. There is alot of talk of casinos shortening the RTP down to around 90%. Didn't think they were able to fuk with the RTP but i guess it is now possible. Too many outfits out there ripping off players so legit casinos need to burn legit players. Not sure how UK facing sites are doing it as they need to play by tight rules but the likes of Bet365...Denise Coates would burn everyone and just pay a 100 million pound fine annually and continue to burn away. Talking about it on Casinomeister the RTP being shorter to players.
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                            • Fred The Hammer
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 08-13-13
                              • 11582

                              #15
                              I played a double deck (dealer pitch) at the Mirage in 2017 and had a little luck. I'm thinking that you could only double down on 10-11. This game allows you to double down on anything and dealer stays on all 17s. The only House friendly rule I can think of is that you can't resplit pairs.
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                              • Fred The Hammer
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 08-13-13
                                • 11582

                                #16
                                Originally posted by pologq
                                well said

                                i have played in online casinos. never worked out good in the long run cause i ignore this warning sign. my new thing is keeping the bet at $5 and taking small wins. i do not increase my bet but do double down if the situation calls for it. i find as soon as i start to chase losses the machine will kick my ass. Pulls 21 on 5 cards after having 15 already on their first 2 cards is my favorite. That happens more often than it should.
                                Yeah need a stop loss and stop win. I lost $21 then had lunch. Came back and started making $1 bets with the goal of grinding out $4 again. Have to defeat the brains impulse to always break even
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                                • RudyRuetigger
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 08-24-10
                                  • 65084

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Fred The Hammer
                                  Oh I've been in finance. What I'm saying is that 51-3 or 58-4 is virtually impossible with a legit game like you might see at a casino. A computer program of blackjack is something different. If I suddenly started playing $15-$20 a hand then it wouldn't matter in a casino, but I absolutely guarantee it would trigger these programs to start whipping my ass. I'm no spring chicken either (53)
                                  you have clearly hit the long run then if youve played 62 games

                                  most finance people know this

                                  congrats

                                  keep us updated then write a book
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                                  • asiagambler
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 07-23-17
                                    • 6827

                                    #18
                                    How many hands are you playing in these sessions? That's more important than the number of sessions

                                    You can have a high session winning percentage just using martingale system but eventually the losing sessions vastly outweigh the winning ones
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                                    • Jayvegas420
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 03-09-11
                                      • 28213

                                      #19
                                      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tel...rse-races/amp/
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                                      • ichiro4thehall
                                        SBR High Roller
                                        • 12-02-09
                                        • 244

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Fred The Hammer
                                        Oh I've been in finance. What I'm saying is that 51-3 or 58-4 is virtually impossible with a legit game like you might see at a casino. A computer program of blackjack is something different. If I suddenly started playing $15-$20 a hand then it wouldn't matter in a casino, but I absolutely guarantee it would trigger these programs to start whipping my ass. I'm no spring chicken either (53)
                                        I don't doubt your word buddy or that you have worked in finance but 'virtually impossible' happens all the time if you bet enough.

                                        I was hoping OP was just interested in a simple probability answer to the chances of his great run.

                                        I worry though that he is all of us at one stage and thinks some staking plan he has read about or worked out himself is going to make him a millionaire.

                                        I saw this as someone at college studying statistics at the time who took his rent money to the casino, watched roulette tables, and when one roulette table had a run of 3 blacks or reds I'd start a martingale naively believing it must hit the opposite colour within the next 3 or 4 spins. I actually won a bit these times. But a few years later at a casino drunk, my friend watched a table and said he saw 9 reds in a row. I immediately sat down and bet black on the 10th spin, i bet black the next 6 spins and busted out when the 16th red in a row hit. Obv the 17th spin was black.

                                        And believe it or not I make most of my money gambling, and have done for 20 years. The one thing I've learned is that variance is the cruelest bitch in the world. She makes you doubt your sanity, I honestly don't think any mathematics professor even understands variance if they have never bet or invested a lot. The theory is so far from reality it's indescribable.
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                                        • Fred The Hammer
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 08-13-13
                                          • 11582

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by ichiro4thehall
                                          I don't doubt your word buddy or that you have worked in finance but 'virtually impossible' happens all the time if you bet enough.

                                          I was hoping OP was just interested in a simple probability answer to the chances of his great run.

                                          I worry though that he is all of us at one stage and thinks some staking plan he has read about or worked out himself is going to make him a millionaire.

                                          I saw this as someone at college studying statistics at the time who took his rent money to the casino, watched roulette tables, and when one roulette table had a run of 3 blacks or reds I'd start a martingale naively believing it must hit the opposite colour within the next 3 or 4 spins. I actually won a bit these times. But a few years later at a casino drunk, my friend watched a table and said he saw 9 reds in a row. I immediately sat down and bet black on the 10th spin, i bet black the next 6 spins and busted out when the 16th red in a row hit. Obv the 17th spin was black.

                                          And believe it or not I make most of my money gambling, and have done for 20 years. The one thing I've learned is that variance is the cruelest bitch in the world. She makes you doubt your sanity, I honestly don't think any mathematics professor even understands variance if they have never bet or invested a lot. The theory is so far from reality it's indescribable.
                                          Lol....I've been gambling for close to 45 years now. Angle shooter with odds-n-evens in the bathroom. I'd be heads while my cousin was tails. The other guy was the mark....lol.

                                          My point is that this program is not an actual blackjack game. Nearly 50% coinflip on each hand.....now compare that to someone capping sports. Do you really think anyone is capable (or lucky enough) to hit 58 of 62 picks? I don't. It will probably turn to shit soon enough, but its fun while it lasts.
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                                          • Fred The Hammer
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 08-13-13
                                            • 11582

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by asiagambler
                                            How many hands are you playing in these sessions? That's more important than the number of sessions

                                            You can have a high session winning percentage just using martingale system but eventually the losing sessions vastly outweigh the winning ones
                                            It depends how long it takes me to turn a $4-5 profit. Sometimes the back and forth takes a while. Usually something like 10 hands at $1-$4 each
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                                            • Fred The Hammer
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 08-13-13
                                              • 11582

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by ichiro4thehall
                                              I don't doubt your word buddy or that you have worked in finance but 'virtually impossible' happens all the time if you bet enough.

                                              I was hoping OP was just interested in a simple probability answer to the chances of his great run.

                                              I worry though that he is all of us at one stage and thinks some staking plan he has read about or worked out himself is going to make him a millionaire.

                                              I saw this as someone at college studying statistics at the time who took his rent money to the casino, watched roulette tables, and when one roulette table had a run of 3 blacks or reds I'd start a martingale naively believing it must hit the opposite colour within the next 3 or 4 spins. I actually won a bit these times. But a few years later at a casino drunk, my friend watched a table and said he saw 9 reds in a row. I immediately sat down and bet black on the 10th spin, i bet black the next 6 spins and busted out when the 16th red in a row hit. Obv the 17th spin was black.

                                              And believe it or not I make most of my money gambling, and have done for 20 years. The one thing I've learned is that variance is the cruelest bitch in the world. She makes you doubt your sanity, I honestly don't think any mathematics professor even understands variance if they have never bet or invested a lot. The theory is so far from reality it's indescribable.

                                              I normally go to Bovada/Ignition occasionally to play sit-n-go's or a small tournament if I have time. Lost 5 SNGs in a row I think

                                              KK vs K7 lost last one. Flop is 89rag. Thinking to myself how do I lose this one? Doesn't seem possible, but I expect it. Turn 10, River Jack. I can't win those let alone a true race. Shit happens, but thats why I vented a little with blackjack
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                                              • BuckyOne
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 01-02-15
                                                • 2728

                                                #24
                                                Have no idea how Fred is getting it done to these kind of numbers. Just played 30 hands and lost 10 units. 9-19 & 2. The dealers 1st card was a 9 or better 72% of the time. Distribution evened out on the dealers second card with only 32% being 9 or better.

                                                No way you can beat a dealer with basic strategy that is turning over a big card more that 46% of the time with their up card. 9 more sessions like this and I am going to declare this place unbeatable by me! LOL
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                                                • BuckyOne
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 01-02-15
                                                  • 2728

                                                  #25
                                                  Played another session. 34 wins, 27 L & 7 pushes . gained back 5 units. 1st card to the dealer was a pretty normal 9 or better 48% of the time. 2nd card was 51% high.

                                                  So, with normal distribution it is possible to break even.

                                                  OK, back to the topic of how is it possible to go 58-4 on an honest game. We need to look at the distribution of the cards Fred is getting. Then at the order dealt. Then how can some place profit from giving money away?
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                                                  • Fred The Hammer
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 08-13-13
                                                    • 11582

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by BuckyOne
                                                    Played another session. 34 wins, 27 L & 7 pushes . gained back 5 units. 1st card to the dealer was a pretty normal 9 or better 48% of the time. 2nd card was 51% high.

                                                    So, with normal distribution it is possible to break even.

                                                    OK, back to the topic of how is it possible to go 58-4 on an honest game. We need to look at the distribution of the cards Fred is getting. Then at the order dealt. Then how can some place profit from giving money away?

                                                    Update 68-5 winning/losing sessions at +$368. I will say I mini-tilted and lost $30 on my losing session. Obviously if you win $4-5 and lose $30 then thats not going to work. To answer your question....you can't win it all at once, but you can definitely lose it all. They count on players getting tired and tilting. Thats why there is never a clock in a Vegas casino...or any casino.
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                                                    • jjgold
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 07-20-05
                                                      • 388179

                                                      #27
                                                      Keep grinding Freddy
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                                                      • DoctorStrong
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 12-11-19
                                                        • 759

                                                        #28
                                                        they let you win after a deposit and if you keep playing they take it back
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                                                        • Hman
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 11-04-17
                                                          • 21429

                                                          #29
                                                          If you have a big enough bankroll, not greedy, and set an easy goal every time you play, it's very possibly to nickel & dime every day
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                                                          • trytrytry
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 03-13-06
                                                            • 23650

                                                            #30
                                                            seems like you are describing methods to win long term a negative expectation casino game. Unless you think its not random and the sportsbook is somehow giving you some small advantage on small wagers. that is nearly impossible to believe but who knows.

                                                            Id suggest stopping ASAP you have a fun story and a nice profit from wagering a negative expectation series of wagers which feels good!
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                                                            • RudyRuetigger
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 08-24-10
                                                              • 65084

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by trytrytry
                                                              seems like you are describing methods to win long term a negative expectation casino game. Unless you think its not random and the sportsbook is somehow giving you some small advantage on small wagers. that is nearly impossible to believe but who knows.

                                                              Id suggest stopping ASAP you have a fun story and a nice profit from wagering a negative expectation series of wagers which feels good!
                                                              relax he was in finance





























                                                              we need daily updates of your winnings though

                                                              dont leave us hanging when its all gone
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                                                              • pologq
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 10-07-12
                                                                • 19899

                                                                #32
                                                                if you keep your wagers low and not overreact to a losing streak of 5 hands or more you can win.

                                                                they want you to believe in "do-ism" that you are due to win so you increase your bet to make up losses but yet you still lose more than you win or have another cold streak.

                                                                the cycle repeats until you are either broke or have lost quite a bit.

                                                                the key is to play normal and at a consistent number. never change your bet amount. play low to absorb losses and be able to bounce back. then when you are winning do not say "the system is hot" and increase your bet cause you will lose and kill losses.
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                                                                • BigdaddyQH
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 07-13-09
                                                                  • 19530

                                                                  #33
                                                                  You guys are desperate to win a buck because you have lost so much. Fred, how much have you LOST overall in your gambling career?
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                                                                  • BuckyOne
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 01-02-15
                                                                    • 2728

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Rigging the game so a player can win and get hooked is totally rotten! It is not a very big stretch to guess that other players are getting screwed.

                                                                    My question is how are they doing it - what is the easiest way to rig the game without spoiling the distribution? My vote is to control the first upcard to the dealer. That would not be that hard to do.

                                                                    So, Fred - play someplace else with the same system. Report the results. Something stinks in this whole thing - let's find out what it is.

                                                                    ? Greatest system since sliced bread ???
                                                                    ? Crooked sports book with rigged cards???
                                                                    ? Terrific playing strategy based on distribution of cards with said rigged deck???
                                                                    ? Totally lucky cards with 1 in 1,000,000 lucky results
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                                                                    • eidolon
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 01-02-08
                                                                      • 9531

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Don't do it.
                                                                      You will be coming back in a few weeks after losing a few thousand $
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