I am now a democrat, please join me

[DwightShrute]

Thank you for disagreeing without any reasoning behind it, you are a classic mindless Republican and have no clue what you're talking about

Thank you for disagreeing without any reasoning behind it, you are a classic mindless Democrat and have no clue what you're talking about as per usual.

[losturmarbles]

Thank you for disagreeing without any reasoning behind it, you are a classic mindless Republican and have no clue what you're talking about, keep praying we'll eliminate income tax so Bill Gates can keep an extra couple billion and poor children can starve to death, gl2u, judging from the job Bush did itll be a long time before a Republican gets elected anyway

oh did i say i disagreed?

yeah the current tax system is as fair as it gets.



yeah i can't disagree with that can i?

a system that gives you "rebates" for making dumb choices in life and punishes you for making sound choices.
oh and how do you get a "rebate" when there was nothing paid in to begin with?

yeah i'm the clueless one, bettill.

[bettilimbroke999]

Thank you for disagreeing without any reasoning behind it, you are a classic mindless Democrat and have no clue what you're talking about as per usual.

There was nothing to disagree with, he didn't even make a point just disagreed bc his brain fell out

If you won the lottery for a million dollars and I won a scratchoff for a 100 dollars should we both pay 100 bucks in taxes, fuk you guys are so clueless its pathetic, go party with Coulter while doin lines off Limbaugh's ass

[DwightShrute]

There was nothing to disagree with, he didn't even make a point just disagreed bc his brain fell out

If you won the lottery for a million dollars and I won a scratchoff for a 100 dollars should we both pay 100 bucks in taxes, fuk you guys are so clueless its pathetic, go party with Coulter while doin lines off Limbaugh's ass

why should you pay any taxes on a winning million dollar lottery ticket? You bought the ticket using your own money which you already paid tax on. In Canada, you win 1 million or 25 Million loto, you get it all right away and pay no taxes.

I win again. your logic is mindless once again and clueless again.

Obama is finished! Repulicans will win the senate and house in 2010, bring some kind on order back to the white house and Obama will twiddle his thumbs for the remaining 2 years.

Jeb Bush in 2012!!!

[bettilimbroke999]

Why should any of us ever pay taxes, why are taxes charged in basically every country in the world outside of tax haven islands, idk maybe Republicans should get on a shuttle and head to a different planet where government and taxes dont exist

[DwightShrute]

Why should any of us ever pay taxes, why are taxes charged in basically every country in the world outside of tax haven islands, idk maybe Republicans should get on a shuttle and head to a different planet where government and taxes dont exist

no one said we shouldn't pay taxes proving once again you are delusional

Antisocial Personality Disorder

Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure impulsivity or failure to plan ahead.

Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
reckless disregard for safety of self or others.

Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations.

Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another. Always referring to GWB.

[reno cool]

oh did i say i disagreed?

yeah the current tax system is as fair as it gets.



yeah i can't disagree with that can i?

a system that gives you "rebates" for making dumb choices in life and punishes you for making sound choices.
oh and how do you get a "rebate" when there was nothing paid in to begin with?

yeah i'm the clueless one, bettill.

are you complaining about the measly earned income credit? It's like a couple hundred bucks for workers earning less than 5k a year or so.
Alot of these people work temp jobs when available for min wage. Newsflash for you. There's a lot of desperate people in this country going through hard times. I'd guess most of them work harder than you.

You keep throwing out tax stats but it's obvious you know nothing about tax law, or what those stats refer to. If you want to begrudge some poor shmo a couple bucks because you're a sadistic prick then say so. Quit hiding behind bogus theories of hard work and good decisions.

[bettilimbroke999]

no one said we shouldn't pay taxes proving once again you are delusional

Antisocial Personality Disorder

Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure impulsivity or failure to plan ahead.

Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
reckless disregard for safety of self or others.

Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations.

Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another. Always referring to GWB.

So all Republicans are antisocial, okay I'll buy that. How much taxes should you pay like 5%, I mean how much are you being overtaxed currently?

[losturmarbles]

are you complaining about the measly earned income credit? It's like a couple hundred bucks for workers earning less than 5k a year or so.
Alot of these people work temp jobs when available for min wage. Newsflash for you. There's a lot of desperate people in this country going through hard times. I'd guess most of them work harder than you.

You keep throwing out tax stats but it's obvious you know nothing about tax law, or what those stats refer to. If you want to begrudge some poor shmo a couple bucks because you're a sadistic prick then say so. Quit hiding behind bogus theories of hard work and good decisions.

are you complaining about me laughing at the fact you morons think the tax system is fair?
the ends dont justify the means, but wait maybe it does if you think altruism is a good thing.
earned income credit is a contradictory of terms, and what are you exactly getting credit for? being a worthless leech to society?
its like obama promising tax cuts to 95% yet 50% dont pay taxes? so how exactly does that work again?

what tax stats do i "keep throwing out"? lol and wtf tax law?

yeah reno, i am the man and i'm out to keep the poor man down. you would know a lot about bogus theories though wouldnt you? your idea of a perfect society being a social democracy.

[bettilimbroke999]

Its called earned income credit bc you have to work and have earned income to get it, its encouraging ppl to work rather than just sit on their ass and suck welfare dry

[losturmarbles]

eic is welfare, dipshit.

how come i dont get eic?

[bettilimbroke999]

Guess you're right it is kinda welfare

Good point

[losturmarbles]

youre a funny guy bettil

you have split personalities i think

[bettilimbroke999]

Its not like I agree with welfare or EIC or anything but fuk what can ya do you've got alot of poor ppl who depend on that shit to feed and shelter their kids

9 bucks and hour doesn't support alot of families these days but I see adults working at tons of jobs like that everyday and ya know its prolly pretty tough if you've got kids to pay day care, food, shelter, clothing etc. etc. on whatever 320 a week after taxes working 40 hours a week, i dont know what to tell ya, I wish the poor wouldn't have kids but they do

Maybe we should have a sterilization credit instead idk

[reno cool]

are you complaining about me laughing at the fact you morons think the tax system is fair?
the ends dont justify the means, but wait maybe it does if you think altruism is a good thing.
earned income credit is a contradictory of terms, and what are you exactly getting credit for? being a worthless leech to society?
its like obama promising tax cuts to 95% yet 50% dont pay taxes? so how exactly does that work again?

what tax stats do i "keep throwing out"? lol and wtf tax law?

yeah reno, i am the man and i'm out to keep the poor man down. you would know a lot about bogus theories though wouldnt you? your idea of a perfect society being a social democracy.

I'm just wondering if you even knew that you were referring to the eic. Nobody can have much of an issue with it.
Hey marbles, why don't go down to the Rescue Mission and pick pocket some bums.
Aren't you the guy that makes his living off of charitable contributions anyway? Or is that the other genius?

Look, nobody's saying tax law is fair. It's designed to help the rich and the elites to run society. I wish they'd abolish it. It is not intended to benefit the poor. Stop blaming the poor for the ills of the country. It's beyond stupid.

[losturmarbles]

I'm just wondering if you even knew that you were referring to the eic. Nobody can have much of an issue with it.
Hey marbles, why don't go down to the Rescue Mission and pick pocket some bums.
Aren't you the guy that makes his living off of charitable contributions anyway? Or is that the other genius?

Look, nobody's saying tax law is fair. It's designed to help the rich and the elites to run society. I wish they'd abolish it. It is not intended to benefit the poor. Stop blaming the poor for the ills of the country. It's beyond stupid.

eic is only one of plenty of rebates of taxes that were never paid. you dont seem to grasp that. the poor "bums" didnt pay the tax, so what is the rebate? a rebate of nothing is nothing.

ever mailed in a rebate coupon for an item you didnt buy? maybe there should be a law that poor people can claim rebates from manufacturers for items they didnt purchased.

the bums down at the rescue mission are pick pocketing me and every other tax payer, and you try to make out like i'm wrong for wanting them to stop. unreal.

nobody's saying it is fair?

I dont really care, the current tax system is as fair as it gets if you're going to have a tax system, ...

that is what started this whole exchange.

where did i blame the poor for "the ills of the country"? reno can you ever make a point without first misrepresenting your opponents position? :shruggs:

[reno cool]

you are saying that the law is unfair because poor workers can claim a small tax rebate.
government spends money on numerous things.(99% of which helps elites, the rich, business)
Your biggest gripe is the few measly cents that fall to the working poor.
That's pretty small of you.
How did I misrepresent your position?

Of course you don't have a problem of spending billions on the prison system to keep same people enslaved because that makes a ton of $ for business,
You don't have a problem of spending trillions on war which enriches business elites and maintains their power.
I doubt you have a problem with $ spent on research through NASA and countless other programs, discoveries from which are handed over free to business. Products then sold to the public for large profits.

[andywend]

Quote:
Originally Posted by wtf
andy-my man!

i know this is not a PC thing to say, but as long as women are allowed to vote it will always be a "beauty" contest

yes there are exceptions to the rule, but almost all women will pick the cuter guy

you think lincoln would have a chance with tv and women voting?



so you think male voters are informed and vote based on anything other than popularity and what empty promises are made to them?

it's not about it being a "PC" thing to say, it's about it being an ignorant thing to say. youre doing the republicans no favor with your weak and ignorant arguments.

and i'm much more concerned with ignorance in the ballot box than i am of stupid shit like this post.

btw, lincoln was a terrible president.

Losturmarbles, I'm probably further to the right than you when it comes to politics but I have to disagree with your assessment of WTF's above post.

I believe WTF is right on the mark concerning his post.

The majority of women do wind up voting for the guy they believe to be better looking.

I would recommend you do a little search on statistical breakdowns when it comes to how women vote.

They always favor the democrats but republican candidates who are better looking than their democratic opponents have fared far better with female voters.

Bush did quite well with female voters against both Gore and Kerry as compared to McCain v Obama and Bush Sr/Dole vs Clinton.

While expressing this opinion might alienate female voters, the facts strongly support WTF here.

[pico]

i am a republican because i believe it is morally wrong and murder to let a 14 year old girl having an abortion after exorcism sex.

[andywend]

Unfortunately, people like bettillimbroke and Reno Cool who sit around all day and blame the rich for all their problems have the same voting power as those that actually produce for society.

The country has been able to run productively all these years because the majority of the leeches were too lazy to get to the voting booth.

However, liberal organizations like ACORN have done quite well convincing them to get out and vote and I wouldn't be surprised if the group is also convincing them to vote multiple times whenever possible (for the liberal candidate of course).

With hispanics and blacks multiplying far faster than whites and ACORN type groups driving them to the polls, things look real shaky going forward.

There will always be FAR MORE MEDIOCRITY THAN SUCCESS in any society and the WORST POSSIBLE THING that could ever happen to the U.S. is INCREASED VOTER TURNOUT via the "get out the vote" rallies.

California has been controlled by liberal free-spending democrats for as long as I can remember and even though the state collects more in tax revenue than any other state in the country, they are still bankrupt. Unfortunately, our country is headed down that exact same road.

Our founding forefathers NEVER had the intention of allowing average people to vote and for good reason.

While betillimbroke and Reno Cool believe a socialized society will benefit them, they will eventually find out that it won't. Unfortunately, the hard working middle class are going to feel the majority of the burden of a socialized society.

The poor will still have nothing and the rich will still have plenty.

[reno cool]

I just can't wait to hear what it is you successful people do. Since you know so much about how I sit around all day. I'm sure it's something honest and meaningful.

[DwightShrute]

California has been controlled by liberal free-spending democrats for as long as I can remember and even though the state collects more in tax revenue than any other state in the country, they are still bankrupt. Unfortunately, our country is headed down that exact same road.

Remember also that if California was a country itself, it would be the 9th largest economy in the world.

Yes, Unfortunately, the whole USA is headed down that exact same road. It truly saddens me people cannot see that and worse, people actually want it to happen.

[bettilimbroke999]

The worst characteristics about the far right is that if they were born in the ghetto they would all be far left, their personalities simply magnify their environment, they grow up in a far right environment and magnify that, they grow up far left and anyd'd be sayin "bout time the poor ppl got a chance", hard to even listen to somebody as far right as andy there is absolutely no room for empathy as he believes absolute selfishness, enslavement and complete wealth consolidation as the only ways to "save" the country and I dont find that to be the case, I believe there is a way for the rich to be able to buy their 10 or 20 yachts each year AND the poor kid in the ghetto to not have to starve to death as well

[DwightShrute]

The worst characteristics about the far right is that if they were born in the ghetto they would all be far left, their personalities simply magnify their environment, they grow up in a far right environment and magnify that, they grow up far left and anyd'd be sayin "bout time the poor ppl got a chance", hard to even listen to somebody as far right as andy there is absolutely no room for empathy as he believes absolute selfishness, enslavement and complete wealth consolidation as the only ways to "save" the country and I dont find that to be the case, I believe there is a way for the rich to be able to buy their 10 or 20 yachts each year AND the poor kid in the ghetto to not have to starve to death as well

The worst characteristic about the far Left is they always seem to believe they are mind readers.

The only chance for some to ever escape poverty is to have the freedom to become successful rather than living off the government for their entire lives.

The 20 yachts example only shows the lack of common sense and verbal diarrhea you continue to insist on posting.

[losturmarbles]

you are saying that the law is unfair because poor workers can claim a small tax rebate.
government spends money on numerous things.(99% of which helps elites, the rich, business)
Your biggest gripe is the few measly cents that fall to the working poor.
That's pretty small of you.
How did I misrepresent your position?

Of course you don't have a problem of spending billions on the prison system to keep same people enslaved because that makes a ton of $ for business,
You don't have a problem of spending trillions on war which enriches business elites and maintains their power.
I doubt you have a problem with $ spent on research through NASA and countless other programs, discoveries from which are handed over free to business. Products then sold to the public for large profits.

no i'm saying the income tax system is anything but fair, what you government tools claim that it is.

How did I misrepresent your position?

you did it again:

Your biggest gripe is the few measly cents that fall to the working poor.

Of course you don't have a problem of spending billions on the prison system

I doubt you have a problem with $ spent on research through NASA

the fact that the government waste trillions of dollars elsewhere is irrelevant to the discussion.
so save the speculating about what i believe or what i have a problem with.

government spends money on numerous things.(99% of which helps elites

care to share some examples?

[losturmarbles]

Losturmarbles, I'm probably further to the right than you when it comes to politics but I have to disagree with your assessment of WTF's above post.

I believe WTF is right on the mark concerning his post.

The majority of women do wind up voting for the guy they believe to be better looking.

I would recommend you do a little search on statistical breakdowns when it comes to how women vote.

They always favor the democrats but republican candidates who are better looking than their democratic opponents have fared far better with female voters.

Bush did quite well with female voters against both Gore and Kerry as compared to McCain v Obama and Bush Sr/Dole vs Clinton.

While expressing this opinion might alienate female voters, the facts strongly support WTF here.

single women usually vote democrat because democrats promise to take care of their needs. it's a security issue. granted some women vote on looks, but i would say the same proportion of men vote on vanity characteristics as well. my point was if you want to attack these people, attack them because of their ignorance, not because of their sex.

[bettilimbroke999]

Lost do you have any solutions? You've got all quick criticisms do away with welfare, etc., no one is arguing welfare is a good system, ITS WELFARE, its by definition a bad system for ppl in a bad spot.

Also no one listens to the candidates anymore, hell you've only got two to choose from, both are terrible, go with the better looking one or the uglier one whatever you want both are equally bad, we'd blow trillions on pointless wars with McCain we'll blow trillions on ruining healthcare with Obama, yea those are some good choices to pick from

[losturmarbles]

yeah sure, go back and listen to ron paul's platform, his solutions. i would agree with probably at least 95% of it.

[bettilimbroke999]

Another income tax abolishing lunatic, get real

[DwightShrute]

Another income tax abolishing lunatic, get real

why do you purposely ignore the facts? Less taxes creates jobs and thus creates more tax income for the government. You call that lunatic but the facts are facts.

California

Texas

which is booming? which has higher taxes? I am trying to make it so a 4th grader can understand.

[bettilimbroke999]

why do you purposely ignore the facts? Less taxes creates jobs and thus creates for tax income for the government. You call that a lunatic but the facts are facts.

California

Texas

which is booming? which has higher taxes? I am trying to make it so a 4th grader can understand.

Federal income tax is equal nationally, use your brain, go back to the 4th grade and pay attention

[DwightShrute]

Federal income tax is equal nationally, use your brain, go back to the 4th grade

Again, you continue to make me look good.

Texas has no personal state income tax, California does.

Yes, 4th graders even know that all states pay federal income tax and thanks for that!

You think it's a fluke California is Broke?

Maybe 4th grade was aiming to high. Geez

[bettilimbroke999]

Ron Paul wants to eliminate the IRS, do you think the IRS collects state income tax, get a clue, the neocons on this board want a tax rate as low as their IQ

[DwightShrute]

Ron Paul want to eliminate the IRS, do you think the IRS collects state income tax, get a clue, Republicans want a tax rate as low as their IQ

What a horrible idea. Get rid of a wasteful government agency that continues to screw up the tax code simply to justify their existence.

You're consistent at least.

[bettilimbroke999]

Just pay your 35% fed taxes, 11% state taxes, 10% sales taxes and enjoy the rest, whats your prob?