Originally posted by jjgold
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Mike Matusow made the final table of the Main Event two years ago, and I believe there were more than 6900 entrants in that one.Comment -
Does everyone agree Phil Helmuth is the biggest crybaby in poker? Why does he feel every1 should fold wen he's in a pot? He calls everyone names wen obviously they had the better hand. I hate that guyComment -
Ivy is a much much bigger world poker figure than MatasowComment -
Originally posted by jjgold
Ivey has a net worth well over 100 million as is........this will not make or break him.
Last night he had 750,000 on the AL........winner.Comment -
I second that... I still think Daniel is the best player to watch and learn from because he wears his emotions on his sleeve and tells you what went through his mind. Phil is the Albert Pujols of poker!Originally posted by paco
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Originally posted by themajormtI second that... I still think Daniel is the best player to watch and learn from because he wears his emotions on his sleeve and tells you what went through his mind. Phil is the Albert Pujols of poker!
Once admired DN, not any longer.
Nothing more than a marketing tool now.Comment -
I also agree with that Fishy but I don't think we can judge because he has exploited his business opportunities as much as possible. At the core, he is still one of the best and lets small time players like ourselves into his brain and see things through his eyes. His videos on pokervt are awesome. He also talks about his hand and his thoughts on the other player in a lot of cash games I have witnessed and I enjoy that.
I also really like Barry Greenstein...Comment -
he's definitely a poker icon, this run will just grow his status moreComment -
Of course, I suppose I'm just reacting as a fan in recognizing how huge a moment this is. In fields this size, although so many things need to go right along the way no matter how good anyone is, it's still a remarkable achievement IF the person who is widely regarded as the best player in the world were to go on and win. If he were to bounce out before the final table, I'd personally as a fan consider it a monumental upset just because he is so close and may never have this opportunity again, although it wouldn't necessarily have to be a "poker meltdown" as I phrased it. There are certainly scenarios that could dismiss him, or bleed most of his chips away, that would be inescapable or bad beats- I'm just hoping that doesn't happen.Originally posted by VegasDaveComment -
Fair enough. It was your phrasing that bothered me, not your fandom. I'm a fan of his too and would also love to see him win it all; and indeed, with the format being what it is today, this is a very rare opportunity to be in such good shape this late in the tournament.Originally posted by CrazyLou
Again, when you say you'd "as a fan you'd consider it a monumental upset" if he lost, I think you mean "you'd be monumentally upset if he lost".
If with 27 players to go, you are offered;
Ivey -110
Field -110
I think its pretty clear which bet is the smarter money, even if we do both respect him as the best player remaining
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i'd even take the no at -110 for ivey making the top 5, being in 4th with 27 left.
even if (and that's always subject to argument) he's the best player it's poker. last time i checked jerry yang, jamie gold, etc weren't considered quality players. they chased a bunch of straights and flushes which actually was smart in a huge tournament, but for some reason the guys considered "smart" only play a/10-a/k or big pairs...
i have seen ivey get lucky in big pots as much as i've seen him make a huge laydown or a terrific bluff.Comment -
Isn't the whole reason for waiting is because WSOP wants to charge for a PPV of the finals
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Exactly, that was the point I was trying to make to Lou. It's totally cool that he would be disappointed if Ivey didn't win... I too would love to see Phil or Antonio win it all.Originally posted by milwaukee mike
But you can't say it would be a "monumental upset". A monumental upset is when a team or player that is HEAVILY favored is defeated. Phil Ivey losing to 26 players isn't even an upset, let alone a monumental one
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No one is going to pay money to watch a poker tourney on tv
it should be free so more people watch so they can promote the game.Comment -
Plus there will be no hole card cameras if they show it live, the benefit is though getting to watch all of the action instead of just the edited TV episodes which really only contain the big hands.Originally posted by jjgoldComment -
no, the WSOP was charging PPV a few yrs ago before the waiting thing startedOriginally posted by sam9ballIsn't the whole reason for waiting is because WSOP wants to charge for a PPV of the finals
the waiting thing began because the WSOP saw the poker ratings dropping on TV and they wanted something that they felt would build excitement
remember, the PPV is to watch the final table live............ but the ratings for the ESPN replays of the main event and final table were dropping very rapidly a few yrs ago so last yr or the yr before they tried to shake things up by trying the 'wait like 3 or 4 mos' and get a build up by letting the public learn about the players through interviews and a media circuit etcComment -
Originally posted by Fishhead
No.
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Ivey down to 9th, had JJ and called a very small stacks Q5 all in and the guy turned a Q.
25 remain.Comment -
Fishhead how do you know this?Originally posted by FishheadComment -
where do you guys get the updated standings for thisComment -
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Ivey all the way down to 6 million... loses with JJ again, this time to his opponent's QQ.
Next time he pushes it might be all of HIS chips that are on the line, not his opponents.Comment -
Wish Phil could've gotten away from one of the Jacks, troublesome hand unless you're fortunate enough to hit a set with them. Two hands I hate are 10-10 and J-J.Comment -
He made the easy call the first time no question against a very short stack that was likely to push with anything.
Second time wasn't as easy, but certainly not a play I blame him for either. So it goes.
Esfandiari out in 24th.Comment -
hope phil winsComment -
George Caragiorgas Doubles Through Phil Ivey
George Caragiorgas opened for 400,000 from UTG, Phil Ivey reraised to 1,150,000 from the small blind, Caragiorgas moved all in for just a bit more and Ivey called. Cargiorgas Ivey Though it typically gets quite noisy in here at the feature table during an all-in, it was unusually quiet during this confrontation as the Ivey fans braced themselves. The flop was , the deuces holding. The turn was the , the river was the and Caragiorgas doubled up to 2.64 million. Ivey was left with 5,435,000. "Taking chips off Phil is not the way to make friends with this crowd," quipped Tournament Director Brooks Turk.Comment -
Cheering for Ben Lamb.Comment -
Doesn't Shulman own Card Player?
He is like in 5th placeComment -
Yep, Phil down to 4.9 mil... gonna need a double up soonComment -
phils gonna have to just shove and hope soonComment -
I think his Father owns it and Jeff Shulman is the President and Editor.Originally posted by jjgoldComment -
how many players are left ?Comment -
21.Originally posted by jayc88
Although mocked initially, appears my earlier wish of Phil shifting gears and being a tad more conservative would have at least had him in stronger position right now, he made a horrible decision with his Jacks the 2nd time against QQ. Come on, Phil, you can gamble at the craps table anytime, sharpen up, man.Comment -
21 left. ivey lost 2 big hands holding JJ. i would fold those fukkers if i picked em up again.Comment -
down to 19 nowComment
