Phil Ivy In 4th: 43 Players Left

KingRevolver · 07-14-09, 07:51 PM

He's having a great WSOP year. He's already won two bracelets this year, right? And now he's doing great in the main event.

Best player ever.

SlickFazzer · 07-14-09, 07:54 PM

he should be dangerous with chips.

SBR Lou · 07-14-09, 08:47 PM

Phil is 2nd in chips with 31 players left- - wow.

Are they still doing that lame crap this year where the final table isn't played for another 2 months?

SlickFazzer · 07-14-09, 08:49 PM

haven't heard otherwise.

KingRevolver · 07-14-09, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by CrazyLou

Phil is 2nd in chips with 31 players left- - wow.

Are they still doing that lame crap this year where the final table isn't played for another 2 months?

Yeah - November?

It's stupid doing it that way. A lot of poker has to do with being on a "roll" and having momentum. When you catch cards - you catch cards! I'm guessing Phil is on one of these rolls...so waiting for a couple months or so to play the final table would be bad for him.

Not to say he still couldn't win it...

SBR Lou · 07-14-09, 08:56 PM

I agree. It's just silly, a poker tournament is a poker tournament. It almost becomes two different tournaments when you delay the final table that long, one huge MTT, and one SNG months after the fact.

Bigmikesm · 07-14-09, 09:08 PM

Phil is having an incredible run this year! Lou Diamond Philips finished in the money. It's gonna come out that Ivey is a robot!

KingRevolver · 07-14-09, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by CrazyLou

one huge MTT, and one SNG months after the fact.

The HOFF · 07-14-09, 09:12 PM

Good for Phil. Maybe a pro can finally win it. That break until November is pretty terrible.

SBR Lou · 07-14-09, 09:15 PM

29 left, Phil still at 2nd.

KingRevolver · 07-14-09, 09:15 PM

If Phil Ivey wins this...he'll be the youngest player to get 8 bracelets. That's nuts.

paco · 07-14-09, 09:25 PM

I love Phil, my 2nd fav player after D.negranu

SBR Lou · 07-14-09, 09:27 PM

It would be a serious meltdown if Phil didn't make the final table, given his stack size right now.

KingRevolver · 07-14-09, 09:29 PM

How the hell are you getting your updates, Louie? I tried to go on the WSOP website and it won't load.

SBR Lou · 07-14-09, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by KingRevolver

How the hell are you getting your updates, Louie? I tried to go on the WSOP website and it won't load.

Cardplayer.com

Fishhead · 07-14-09, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by CrazyLou

Cardplayer.com

Far and away the best coverage.

FH

SBR Lou · 07-14-09, 09:44 PM

Players are on a 90 minute dinner break.

BJE · 07-14-09, 09:55 PM

With the 29 remaining players, how many are they playing down to tonight??

VegasDave · 07-14-09, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by CrazyLou

It would be a serious meltdown if Phil didn't make the final table, given his stack size right now.

This is a pretty over-the-top claim. Phil Ivey isn't the type to just sit on a lead, and he's going to continue to play his game especially when he believes he has the best of it. It could take as little as one tough break, not a "serious meltdown".

As far as the continuing 2 months later goes, if Ivey does make the final table, I feel he'd be one of the people to benefit. If he sits down with 8 other players on any given day with enough chips, he's got to be the favorite to win. Other players that were running hot may come back with a totally different mentality in 2 months; Ivey would be every bit as dangerous.

But again, lots of poker left to be played.

VegasDave · 07-14-09, 10:19 PM

I wouldn't have called this a "serious meltdown"...

SBR Lou · 07-14-09, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by VegasDave

This is a pretty over-the-top claim. Phil Ivey isn't the type to just sit on a lead, and he's going to continue to play his game especially when he believes he has the best of it.

I don't expect him to play passively, but I do expect him to shift gears and play slightly less aggressively.

Originally posted by VegasDave

It could take as little as one tough break, not a "serious meltdown".

I think if he were to put himself in a position where he doesn't have the nuts or even second nuts, and gambles for most of his chips on a "read", then I would consider that a meltdown given the fact that he is far and away the best player remaining, and is 2nd in chips with under 30 left to go.

donjuan · 07-14-09, 10:26 PM

This is a pretty over-the-top claim. Phil Ivey isn't the type to just sit on a lead, and he's going to continue to play his game especially when he believes he has the best of it. It could take as little as one tough break, not a "serious meltdown".

Especially as he is almost certainly focusing on the win rather than maximizing payout EV.

hoopster42 · 07-14-09, 10:29 PM

jeff lisandro has won 3 bracelets this WSOP..............mighty impressive

donjuan · 07-14-09, 10:29 PM

I think if he were to put himself in a position where he doesn't have the nuts or even second nuts, and gambles for most of his chips on a "read", then I would consider that a meltdown given the fact that he is far and away the best player remaining, and is 2nd in chips with under 30 left to go.

This makes absolutely no sense.

SBR Lou · 07-14-09, 10:30 PM

All I'm saying is he can play big stack poker and use his skills without getting into a position where he needs to risk a significant portion of his stack on any one hand, unless he has the nuts. It'd be an incredible upset should he miss the final table with where his chip stack is.

donjuan · 07-14-09, 10:35 PM

This is basically a game theory fail and would make him extremely exploitable without even considering that he is going for the win.

rake922 · 07-14-09, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by CrazyLou

I agree. It's just silly, a poker tournament is a poker tournament. It almost becomes two different tournaments when you delay the final table that long, one huge MTT, and one SNG months after the fact.

why are do they wait till Nov.. I can't even come up with a reason to do that

SBR Lou · 07-14-09, 10:39 PM

Jesus. I'm just saying, the guy is the best player in the world and in the biggest, most prestigious tournament there is which had almost 7,000 entrants he is knocking on the door with under 30 left and 2nd in chips. So yes, I'd consider it a huge upset if he didn't at least make the final table.

donjuan · 07-14-09, 10:48 PM

So the best player in the world should not use his abilities and become a weak-tight nit for no apparent reason?

SBR Lou · 07-14-09, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by donjuan

So the best player in the world should not use his abilities and become a weak-tight nit for no apparent reason?

I don't expect him to play passively, but I do expect him to shift gears and play slightly less aggressively.

If you think he will make literally no adjustment whatsoever, then we can agree to disagree.

VegasDave · 07-14-09, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by rake922

why are do they wait till Nov.. I can't even come up with a reason to do that

Ratings stunt. When they played the tourney all the way through, many poker fans already knew who the winner was months before they started televising the event. Now, they can edit all the footage and televise the leadup up until November, where they can show live (or at least only a few hours/days delay instead of months) coverage of the final table.

Not saying that it's not dumb... but that is "why"

Originally posted by CrazyLou

Jesus. I'm just saying, the guy is the best player in the world and in the biggest, most prestigious tournament there is which had almost 7,000 entrants he is knocking on the door with under 30 left and 2nd in chips. So yes, I'd consider it a huge upset if he didn't at least make the final table.

I'm just saying that if Ivey plays with KK and the flop comes K99 and he ends up pushing for 40% of his chips because a guy with AA pushed, and the guy hits an A, that isn't a serious meltdown. That's Ivey clearly making the right move to attempt to add a nice chunk to his stack that unfortunately goes against him.

I certainly agree that he's in great shape, but I've played enough poker to know that being 2nd in chips with 29 players left in a no limit hold'em game doesn't guarantee you a spot in the top 9. I'm sure you have as well, which is why I'm surprised by your comment.

unknown Gambler · 07-15-09, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by BJE

With the 29 remaining players, how many are they playing down to tonight??

i believe its when 27 remain........1 more to go last i read, Ivey in 3rd with just over 13 million.

unknown Gambler · 07-15-09, 01:18 AM

Finished for the night,27 left Phil Ivey finishes up in 4th position with 11.3 million,theleader has just over 20 mill.

jjgold · 07-15-09, 05:18 AM

If Ivy gets to final table he will be the biggest new breed poker star every to make it.

If he every wins it he will be super rich for the rest of his life even more than now