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  • The Giant
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    • 01-21-12
    • 21480

    #1
    Why is NBA scoring up so much?
    Teams are scoring at rates not seen since the 1980s.

    The only rule difference I can find seems to be the shot clock only resetting to 14, instead of 24 on an offensive rebound. That shouldn't affect things too much.

    So - why?
  • pavyracer
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    • 04-12-07
    • 82686

    #2
    Players lack fundamentals in playing defense like blocking out or switching on defense.
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    • KRIT
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      • 01-11-14
      • 12878

      #3
      Shot clock only resets to 14 after an offensive rebound. That and no one plays defense anymore.
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      • KVB
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        • 05-29-14
        • 74817

        #4
        It could have to do with the NBA getting a handle on and enforcing the already in place rules regarding "freedom of movement."

        I think they are trying to crack down on all the holding and body checking that happens with players moving off the ball.

        This helps out the offense quite a bit, especially those that rely on quick passes to cutters and runners off the ball to create shots.

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        • The Giant
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          • 01-21-12
          • 21480

          #5
          I'm actually a fan.

          I like the fluidity of the game.
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          • jjgold
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            • 07-20-05
            • 388179

            #6
            NBA players are unreal now
            Every roster loaded except slap few teams

            Mother fukkers rarely miss
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            • KVB
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              • 05-29-14
              • 74817

              #7
              The Warriors’ offense is a predicated on creating favorable looks off the ball. From spot-up jumpers, to back-door cuts to the basket, Golden State’s system is based on movement. The NBA is re-tooling how they officiate fouls occurring off the ball, which could mean big things for coach Steve Kerr’s scheme.
              The NBA is putting extra emphasis on freedom of movement.

              Starting this season, officials will closely monitor contact away from the ball. The extra emphasis is intended to promote scoring by speeding up the action on the court.
              I guess they planned on increasing the scoring.
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              • The Giant
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                • 01-21-12
                • 21480

                #8
                Originally posted by KVB
                I guess they planned on increasing the scoring.
                I like it.

                The NBA is great again.

                No more over/unders in the 160s.
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                • KRIT
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                  • 01-11-14
                  • 12878

                  #9
                  NBA and NFL are moving in the right direction, MLB isn't. Pace is way up in both NBA and NFL, whereas pace seems to have slowed down in baseball. Seems like most the MLB playoff games took about 4 hours. The problem is, there are rules you can alter in NBA and NFL to increase the speed of the game, not sure you can do the same in baseball.
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                  • The Giant
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                    • 01-21-12
                    • 21480

                    #10
                    Originally posted by KRIT
                    NBA and NFL are moving in the right direction, MLB isn't. Pace is way up in both NBA and NFL, whereas pace seems to have slowed down in baseball. Seems like most the MLB playoff games took about 4 hours. The problem is, there are rules you can alter in NBA and NFL to increase the speed of the game, not sure you can do the same in baseball.
                    They need to start something in the low minor leagues in baseball, and figure out how to speed up the pace. We need a pitching shot-clock. Games are too long. Too much dead time. Is the NFL pace really faster, or have they just found a way to keep quarterbacks from getting injured?
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                    • Frank Mills
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                      • 09-26-18
                      • 1244

                      #11
                      I 2nd this. Especially, pertaining to the 3 ball.
                      Originally posted by jjgold
                      NBA players are unreal now
                      Every roster loaded except slap few teams

                      Mother fukkers rarely miss
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                      • pavyracer
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                        • 04-12-07
                        • 82686

                        #12
                        Name one team that runs defensive drills during warm ups? They are all practicing shooting 3s from 10 feet behind the line.
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                        • 2daBank
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                          • 01-26-09
                          • 88966

                          #13
                          Originally posted by jjgold
                          NBA players are unreal now
                          Every roster loaded except slap few teams

                          Mother fukkers rarely miss
                          Same as they always been, now nobody plays defense.
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                          • 2daBank
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                            • 01-26-09
                            • 88966

                            #14
                            Originally posted by KRIT
                            NBA and NFL are moving in the right direction, MLB isn't. Pace is way up in both NBA and NFL, whereas pace seems to have slowed down in baseball. Seems like most the MLB playoff games took about 4 hours. The problem is, there are rules you can alter in NBA and NFL to increase the speed of the game, not sure you can do the same in baseball.
                            Right direction? Nfl Is straight up trash and nba not much better. Unreal how everyone thinks no defense is great. I can’t stand when these pathetic announcers gush over some pathetic 40-40 video game.
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                            • JIBBBY
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 12-10-09
                              • 83686

                              #15
                              Every team wants to shoot 3's now and when you miss long rebounds happen which leads to fast breaks.. That's my best guess.. I need to check to see if the 3 point shooting is up for this year? That's my best guess..

                              Everyone wants to play like the splash bro's... Teams don't play defense either more either..
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                              • vividjohn45
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 11-21-10
                                • 6331

                                #16
                                Originally posted by The Giant
                                I like it.

                                The NBA is great again.

                                No more over/unders in the 160s.
                                2005 or so Spurs, lots of 165-178 totals.
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                                • eidolon
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 01-02-08
                                  • 9531

                                  #17
                                  no blocking out and they play defense like they are in the D league.
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                                  • jrgum3
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 07-21-17
                                    • 7005

                                    #18
                                    Everybody says that they play no defense in the Association which is partly to blame but lets give credit where credit is due it seems like shooting is better across the league especially from 3 which has changed the game.
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                                    • Crusherrr
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 06-27-16
                                      • 3649

                                      #19
                                      Every offensive rebound or anytime the shot clock resets to 14 seconds on offense teams now have 10 fewer seconds to use on that possession. At the end of the game it adds up to shots going up a few seconds faster every time this occurs. It means that teams are averaging anywhere from 3-10 possessions a game more. Obviously, more possessions means more shots. More shots should equal more points.
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                                      • Crusherrr
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 06-27-16
                                        • 3649

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                        Every team wants to shoot 3's now and when you miss long rebounds happen which leads to fast breaks.. That's my best guess.. I need to check to see if the 3 point shooting is up for this year? That's my best guess..

                                        Everyone wants to play like the splash bro's... Teams don't play defense either more either..
                                        Partially this but also the fact that the average NBA game has about 18-20 offensive rebounds per game. When you get that offensive rebound you have 10 fewer seconds to shoot the basketball. Obviously teams didn't always use the full 10 seconds before the rule change but lets say that they used 5. That's 5 seconds you add to the game essentially per offensive rebound. 20 offensive rebounds x 5 seconds is 100 seconds( 1 minute 40 seconds) of added basketball. By extending the game that 1 minute and 40 seconds you have slightly less than 5% more time being added to actual gameplay. If last years total was 210 it should now be 218.5.
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                                        • LT Profits
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                                          • 10-27-06
                                          • 90963

                                          #21
                                          Besides the rule changes favoring the offense, more teams are playing at faster tempo this year. Last year, New Orleans led the NBA in Pace at 102.7 possessions. This year, that figure would tie for 25th with Atlanta leading the way so far at 109.4!
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                                          • ikid2groove415
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                                            • 01-08-18
                                            • 11981

                                            #22
                                            Teams are just pushing the ball more - not that hard 2 figure out- nobody is draining the shot clock
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                                            • unde0087
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                                              • 03-27-08
                                              • 28906

                                              #23
                                              Giant, the 9 players who gave an attempt to play defense the last few years quit trying and each year they add an extra step you can take before you dribble, which is about 14 now so players only have to dribble about 3 times to go from rim to rim. You can also dribble the ball over your head without a carrying call, as long as it doesn't hit the ceiling.
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                                              • lakerboy
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                                                • 04-02-09
                                                • 94379

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by 2daBank
                                                Right direction? Nfl Is straight up trash and nba not much better. Unreal how everyone thinks no defense is great. I can’t stand when these pathetic announcers gush over some pathetic 40-40 video game.
                                                Modern athletes are not committed because they know they will get paid. When you have guys on the bench making millions why play d?
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                                                • The Kraken
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                                                  • 12-25-11
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                                                  #25
                                                  Clearly more Teump winning. Players are watching their 401k’s go up, and they’re earning $3/hr more now so they’re busting their asses to earn that $$$
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                                                  • ikid2groove415
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                                                    • 01-08-18
                                                    • 11981

                                                    #26
                                                    Offense drives up TV rating - case closed - still need defense 2 win in the playoffs - GSW-Boston- Toronto
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                                                    • JayLA
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                                                      • 09-11-12
                                                      • 7806

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by 2daBank
                                                      Right direction? Nfl Is straight up trash and nba not much better. Unreal how everyone thinks no defense is great. I can’t stand when these pathetic announcers gush over some pathetic 40-40 video game.
                                                      I agree with ya banker. Especially in a game where scoring is a given, like basketball. A good block, or good D, is fun to watch
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                                                      • Git Lo
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                                                        • 02-20-11
                                                        • 3785

                                                        #28
                                                        Ppl think mlb is slow but did you now enjoy the WS??
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                                                        • sheedy17
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                                                          • 08-02-18
                                                          • 453

                                                          #29
                                                          why play defense when you make 25 million dollars a year
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                                                          • ChuckyTheGoat
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                                                            • 04-04-11
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by The Giant
                                                            I'm actually a fan.

                                                            I like the fluidity of the game.
                                                            Giant, get back to the Poker tables. We can talk shop there, like old-times.
                                                            Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                                            • Regul8er
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                                                              • 11-06-07
                                                              • 10666

                                                              #31
                                                              THings will change, you'll start seeing regression back to mean. Be interesting to see if pace has slowed down after 2 weeks in the last few seasons.
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                                                              • survive
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                                                                • 01-08-11
                                                                • 2388

                                                                #32
                                                                Everyone already said it- rule changes, nobody cares to play defense, regular season too long and meaningless, analytics showing you should either shoot a three or dunk, etc.

                                                                Call me crazy but I’ll take a slugfest 47-45 Virginia/Syracuse game any day over nba. I don’t care that the players have a fraction of the nba skill, it’s still very high level ball relatively speaking. At least the players care and the arena is going bananas creating excitement
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                                                                • VegasPackerFan
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                                                                  • 09-03-18
                                                                  • 56

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Defense is the same it's always been. Teams are now applying analytics to their gameplans. The most inefficient shot in basketball, the mid range jumper has all but been eliminated from the game. It's all 3 pointers and layups around the basket.

                                                                  YEAR FGA 3PTA PPG
                                                                  2018-19 90.2 31.6 112.2
                                                                  2017-18 86.1 29 106.3
                                                                  2016-17 85.4 27 105.6
                                                                  2015-16 84.6 24.1 102.7
                                                                  2014-15 83.6 22.4 100
                                                                  2013-14 83 21.5 101
                                                                  2012-13 82 20 98.1
                                                                  2011-12 81.4 18.4 96.3
                                                                  2010-11 81.2 18 99.6
                                                                  2009-10 81.7 18.1 100.4
                                                                  2008-09 80.9 18.1 100
                                                                  2007-08 81.5 18.1 99.9
                                                                  2006-07 79.7 16.9 98.7
                                                                  2005-06 79 16 97
                                                                  2004-05 80.3 15.8 97.2
                                                                  2003-04 79.8 14.9 93.4
                                                                  2002-03 80.8 14.7 95.1
                                                                  2001-02 81.3 14.7 95.5
                                                                  2000-01 80.6 13.7 94.8
                                                                  1999-00 82.1 13.7 97.5
                                                                  1998-99 78.2 13.2 91.6
                                                                  1997-98 79.7 12.7 95.6
                                                                  1996-97 79.3 16.8 96.9
                                                                  1995-96 80.2 16 99.5
                                                                  1994-95 81.5 15.3 101.4
                                                                  1993-94 84.4 9.9 101.5
                                                                  1992-93 86 9 105.3
                                                                  1991-92 87.3 7.6 105.3
                                                                  1990-91 87.2 7.1 106.3
                                                                  1989-90 87.2 6.6 107
                                                                  1988-89 89 6.6 109.2
                                                                  1987-88 87.7 5 108.2
                                                                  1986-87 88.8 4.7 109.9
                                                                  1985-86 88.6 3.3 110.2
                                                                  1984-85 89.1 3.1 110.8
                                                                  1983-84 88.4 2.4 110.1
                                                                  1982-83 89.7 2.3 108.5
                                                                  1981-82 88.2 2.3 108.6
                                                                  1980-81 88.4 2 108.1
                                                                  1979-80 90.6 2.8 109.3
                                                                  1978-79 91.7 110.3
                                                                  1977-78 92.9 108.5
                                                                  1976-77 92 106.5
                                                                  1975-76 91.7 104.3
                                                                  1974-75 91.1 102.6
                                                                  1973-74 93.9 105.7
                                                                  1972-73 96.9 107.6
                                                                  1971-72 95.5 110.2
                                                                  1970-71 98 112.4
                                                                  1969-70 99.4 116.7
                                                                  1968-69 99 112.3
                                                                  1967-68 100.8 116.6
                                                                  1966-67 103.1 117.4
                                                                  1965-66 102.4 115.5
                                                                  1964-65 99.8 110.6
                                                                  1963-64 99.1 111
                                                                  1962-63 101.2 115.3
                                                                  1961-62 107.7 118.8
                                                                  1960-61 109.4 118.1
                                                                  1959-60 108.7 115.3
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                                                                  • JayDr3am
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 05-06-14
                                                                    • 18260

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by The Giant
                                                                    Teams are scoring at rates not seen since the 1980s.

                                                                    The only rule difference I can find seems to be the shot clock only resetting to 14, instead of 24 on an offensive rebound. That shouldn't affect things too much.

                                                                    So - why?
                                                                    no one especially these younger players dont even get down in stance anymore. they play defense standing up straight with 1 hand out extended out in the dribblers eyes
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                                                                    • Snowball
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                                                                      • 11-15-09
                                                                      • 30049

                                                                      #35
                                                                      they ruined the sport
                                                                      it is only entertainment now
                                                                      good luck with your bets
                                                                      straight to NCAA for me
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