MJ wouldnt have done what Lebron just did....

[5 star bomb]

Put them in a Cav's uniform and watch what they would do... Who don't you agree with?

Billups, Tony Parker, Derek Fisher, Chris Paul, Derron Williams, Jason Kidd, Mike Bibby, Derek Rose, Raymond Felton, DJ Augustin, Andre Miller, Ramon Sessions, Luke Ridnour, Ben Gordon, Kirk Hinrich, Rajon Rondo, Eric Gordon, Mike Conley, Mario Chalmers, Beno Udrih, Nate Robinson, Chris Duhon...

For sure 100% not better = Ridnour, Sessions, Fisher, Hinrich, Udrih, Duhon

Questionable = Bibby, Felton, Augustin, Conley, Chalmers

Oh and Ben Gordon is not a pg

[ASH0479]

....

and he didnt get the last shot either...that was awesome after reading this thread all day...

[5 star bomb]

not Kobe's fault. He never had the ball in his hand with only 4 seconds left. Phil Jackson drew that up.

[BrandonLaz]

I guarantee you if the ball was in his hands he gets the last shot on that play. It was on an inbound and it had to be on a catch and shoot. He didn't shy away from the 3 pointer and the 2 pointer both to tie the game. You know he wanted the next shot to give them the lead or win it, but JR Smith didn't call for his illegal move on the tip.

[ijustwant2bpaid]

kobe tried to do way too much crossing up in a gap that did not exist, no exuses maybe next time... but i have a feeling kobe will have labron ball sweat all over his face after the finals... then they give it to fisher who was 1-8 to that point, cmon Phil!

[jsmithj88]

Your arguments get weaker. I was talking specifically about LeBron James not the Cavaliers as a team. Yes, the Cavs lost but LeBron played amazing in that game and no one will argue that. If Delonte and Maurice Williams would have played half decent they win that game. You were trying to downplay LeBron's stats against the Hawks and Pistons because they are inferior teams when actually his best stats were in the Magic game.

im downplaying his stats because u threw out a ridiculous statement about him having the greatest statline in playoff history
the competition was horrible dude, and u cant refute my point

y u keep bringing up orlando like they are some juggernaut?
is getting 49 and watever on orlando that incredible?
orlando who struggled to beat the sixers?
orlando who needed 7 games to beat a tired and injured boston squad?

the point is, the league overall sucks ass, and the east is crap. no1 plays real defense anymore. if lebron played back when MJ played, he wouldnt be getting this many points, assists, rebs.

[cockblocker]

Also, for all you Kobe and Jordan lovers neither of them had point up the same numbers Lebron has by age 24. If he continues to get better he will be the best ever!!!

Obviously you never grew up when MJ was dominating the league. Jordans numbers at 24 are a lot better than Prince James numbers. Have a look for youself.

Michael Jordan 86-87 FG%.482 RB 5.2 AST 4.6 ST 2.88 BL 1.52 ppg 37.1

87-88 FG% .535 REB 5.5 AST 5.9 ST 3.16 BL 1.6 PPG 35.0

MJ did that in only his 3rd and 4th year in the league, which dwarfs Lebrons numbers in his 3rd and 4th years.

[cockblocker]

Look at MJ's stat's. He had his first 49+ game when he was 24 (James is now 24) but MJ didn't get his next until he was 26. Lebron's stats are much better at the same age.

WTF are you talking about MJ's stats at 24 are much better than Lebrons. Also this was only MJs 3 and 4th year in leauge an they dwarf Lebrons 3rd and 4th years. Lebron at 24 is playing in his 7th season. Anyway you comapre it MJs numbers are better.

LBJ at 24 7th season PPG 28.4 REB 7.6 AST 7.2 STL 1.7 BL 1.1 FG% .489
MJ at 24 3rd season PPG 37.1 REB 5.2 AST 4.6 STL 2.88 BL 1.5 FG% .482
MJ 5th season PPG 32.5 REB 8.0 AST 8.0 STL 2.89 BL .80 FG% .538

[cockblocker]

Oh and Jordan averaged 37.1 PPG when he was 23 years old and when he was 25 he averaged 32 PPG 8 Reb and 8 assists!! If we are discussing stats.

These Lebron nuthuggers must have never saw Jordan play and don't do any research before they talk shit either.

Oh, you forgot to remind them about the 3 steals and 1.5 blocks to go along with it.

[cockblocker]

You guys really don't have a clue... MJ missed twice as many more game winners than he ever made. I wish I had stats but for every game winner you saw him make he missed 2 or 3. Hell everybody points to the game winning shot against Utah but just the game before he missed the game winner against Utah

Its you that does'nt have a clue. MJ never missed those shots in the playoffs or Finals when it mattered.

[jasont]

Another clueless clown, Ilgauskas would be the starting center for the Bulls and Mo Williams would be right there with any of the Bulls PGs for the job. Anyone who says this Cleveland team is garbage except for Lebron has no clue about basketball whatsoever, this is a very solid supporting cast for a great player. The fact is that Lebron is just not great enough to take over when it counts!!

Could have seen this coming. Spewing of random bs. Mo Williams is hardly a true point guard, the Bulls would have no use for a combo guard- send his ass to the bench. As for Z- he plays offense only, I'd take Longley or even Wennington all day. If you don't think a lineup of Harper, Jordan, Pippen, Rodman and Longley with a bench of Kerr, Kukoc, Wennington, Buechler is far superior to the Cavs, you have no clue. As I can see from many of your comments, you really have no idea. You take Lebron off of the Cavs, they don't make the playoffs. Please present a reasonable argument before you take the time to post moron.

[BCaldwell32]

Could have seen this coming. Spewing of random bs. Mo Williams is hardly a true point guard, the Bulls would have no use for a combo guard- send his ass to the bench. As for Z- he plays offense only, I'd take Longley or even Wennington all day. If you don't think a lineup of Harper, Jordan, Pippen, Rodman and Longley with a bench of Kerr, Kukoc, Wennington, Buechler is far superior to the Cavs, you have no clue. As I can see from many of your comments, you really have no idea. You take Lebron off of the Cavs, they don't make the playoffs. Please present a reasonable argument before you take the time to post moron.

Hey ****ing jerkoff, the Bulls are the best team to ever play in the league in the 90's, I watched every one of their games while I was banging your mom asshole!!!! I am from Chicago and the Bulls are way better than the Cavs, but it's not cause of their centers or point guards moron clueless donkey idiot clown!!!! It is because Michael Jordan is 1000 times better than overrated idiot Lebron James is and Scottie Pippen was awesome, Rodman one of best rebounders the NBA has ever seen and good outside shooting and great role players!!! But you are a ****ing clown if you don't realize that these role players were what they were because of Michael Jordan! Once he retired and left the Bulls every one of them was pretty much done with a couple exceptions. You see moron that is what the best player on the planet did, was to make everyone on the team look way better than they really were. Plug in Ilgauskas and Mo Williams and Bulls still win all their titles idiot. You are the ****ing clown with absolutely no clue about basketball!! If I were as dumb as you I would go kill myself!!

[cockblocker]

Michael Jordan played with 100% heart and not only was he the best. When he was in his prime, he would take on players who were compared to him and prove that he was the best. If Jordan was in his prime playing versus a LeBron or Kobe, he would take it as a personal challenge to make them look 2nd rate in front of a national audience.

People that saw Michael Jordan play are the true witnesses.

[CashMoney]

Michael Jordan played with 100% heart and not only was he the best. When he was in his prime, he would take on players who were compared to him and make them look bad. If Jordan was in his prime playing versus a LeBron or Kobe, he would take it as a personal challenge to make them look 2nd rate in front of a national audience.

People that seen Michael Jordan play are the true witnesses.

Jordan was quite simply the best to ever play. The Kobe/Lebron debate is ridiculous at this time since Lebron is only 24. The simply fact that everyone is debating Kobe/Lebron just goes to show how great Lebron is and will be. Why don't we all have this discussion when their careers are over with? Regardless of how great a player is, basketball is still a TEAM SPORT.

The reason the Cavs lost was not becuase of Lebron, it was because the Cavs bench scored 5 points and Orlando's bench outscored them 25-5. So what that he didn't take the last shot? He did what he was supposed to do....gave up the ball to someone that had a better look.

Anyone who actually watched MJ play knows he would have passed the ball if he didn't have had a good look. I remember when Jordan came back after the first retirement and dropped 55 on the Knicks at the Garden. It was a close game and came down to the last possession. Jordan had the ball at the top of the key and he PASSED THE BALL to Bill Wennington for a dunk for the game winner.

Kobe and Lebron are both great....

[lakerboy]

Hey ****ing jerkoff, the Bulls are the best team to ever play in the league in the 90's, I watched every one of their games while I was banging your mom asshole!!!! I am from Chicago and the Bulls are way better than the Cavs, but it's not cause of their centers or point guards moron clueless donkey idiot clown!!!! It is because Michael Jordan is 1000 times better than overrated idiot Lebron James is and Scottie Pippen was awesome, Rodman one of best rebounders the NBA has ever seen and good outside shooting and great role players!!! But you are a ****ing clown if you don't realize that these role players were what they were because of Michael Jordan! Once he retired and left the Bulls every one of them was pretty much done with a couple exceptions. You see moron that is what the best player on the planet did, was to make everyone on the team look way better than they really were. Plug in Ilgauskas and Mo Williams and Bulls still win all their titles idiot. You are the ****ing clown with absolutely no clue about basketball!! If I were as dumb as you I would go kill myself!!

[jasont]

Hey ****ing jerkoff, the Bulls are the best team to ever play in the league in the 90's, I watched every one of their games while I was banging your mom asshole!!!! I am from Chicago and the Bulls are way better than the Cavs, but it's not cause of their centers or point guards moron clueless donkey idiot clown!!!! It is because Michael Jordan is 1000 times better than overrated idiot Lebron James is and Scottie Pippen was awesome, Rodman one of best rebounders the NBA has ever seen and good outside shooting and great role players!!! But you are a ****ing clown if you don't realize that these role players were what they were because of Michael Jordan! Once he retired and left the Bulls every one of them was pretty much done with a couple exceptions. You see moron that is what the best player on the planet did, was to make everyone on the team look way better than they really were. Plug in Ilgauskas and Mo Williams and Bulls still win all their titles idiot. You are the ****ing clown with absolutely no clue about basketball!! If I were as dumb as you I would go kill myself!!

I have no clue about basketball? Is this why your average bet size is 6 bucks, you broke fk. After reading that response and many others you have written, I have tried to stop acknowledging you as a person because your brain doesn't process many of the things being said on this forum. You on the other hand have some e-obsession, I suggest you get laid, go buy a hooker with your $6 wagers. In addition, I will suggest to the mod to put a 14 yr old age limit on posting here, that way you can go back to playing call of duty on xbox.



PS: quit sending me pm's telling me you want to fight me in real life, you weak fking homo.

[jasont]

lakerboy...enough said.

[5 star bomb]

The 90's Bulls would murder these teams in the playoffs right now

[BCaldwell32]

This Jason moron is such a clueless idiot, my unit sizes on my bets are fairly big idiot. Even if they were not, what the hell does that have to do with anything dumbass, you make a retarded statement that has nothing to do with the arguement and prove that you are just plain and simple dumb and have no idea about the sport. Also, I will tell you right here that I would ass rape you and make you my bitch if I saw you in real life you moron.

[BCaldwell32]

Oh another thing clown, I live in Vegas and you can come out here and first we can take IQ tests for 10k if you wanna gamble and since I'm stupid it can be free money for you.

[MickOverlast]

bump

[EaglesPhan36]

I never liked Michael Jordan. Dude got every call in every game. Sure, he was incredible, but he had a built-in advantage in every game and they wore white & black unis. Not saying Lebron is better, because he's not ... yet. Just saying F Jordan.

[rossta4i]

Obviously you never grew up when MJ was dominating the league. Jordans numbers at 24 are a lot better than Prince James numbers. Have a look for youself.

Michael Jordan 86-87 FG%.482 RB 5.2 AST 4.6 ST 2.88 BL 1.52 ppg 37.1

87-88 FG% .535 REB 5.5 AST 5.9 ST 3.16 BL 1.6 PPG 35.0

MJ did that in only his 3rd and 4th year in the league, which dwarfs Lebrons numbers in his 3rd and 4th years.

The stats is misleading because MJ played ball when defense was allowed in the league. When MJ played was there defensive 3 seconds...NO. Those rules is keeping the big man out of the lane for more offensive scoing. If LJ or kobe played against real defense like detroit (bad boy era) they would be shit. Even MJ's stats was low when playing them.

[Fiasco]

MJ wouldn't have hit that shot tonight because MJ wouldn't have needed too...

he wouldn't have let his team blow a 23 pt lead down 0-1 in game 2 of the conference finals...

[Buckeye]

Who cares about MJ he hasn't played in the NBA for years!

[Mac4Lyfe]

Billups, Tony Parker, Derek Fisher, Chris Paul, Derron Williams, Jason Kidd, Mike Bibby, Derek Rose, Raymond Felton, DJ Augustin, Andre Miller, Ramon Sessions, Luke Ridnour, Ben Gordon, Kirk Hinrich, Rajon Rondo, Eric Gordon, Mike Conley, Mario Chalmers, Beno Udrih, Nate Robinson, Chris Duhon...

For sure 100% not better = Ridnour, Sessions, Fisher, Hinrich, Udrih, Duhon

Questionable = Bibby, Felton, Augustin, Conley, Chalmers

Oh and Ben Gordon is not a pg

Several of the guys I listed aren't true PG's but they could play the point with Lebron. Milwaukee got rid of Mo because they had Sessions so what does that tell you? Hinrich, Fisher, Duhon for sure are much better all around. Ridnour and Udrih are just as good...

Bibby, Felton, no doubt are both much better than Mo and Augustin, Conley and Chalmers with experience will run circles around Mo.

I've seen every Cleveland game the last 5 years and lebron has made slugs look good in this system. Eric Snow, Damon Jones, Boobie Gibson looked like quality players next to Lebron. Those guys are horrible. Mo is a guy that should be coming off the bench to provide offense. That is all he's giving you. In this series against a good defender he's sucking eggs. If he can't score, why is he on the floor???

Mo Williams... 13 of 40 in these 2 games Pathetic... But his defense has been worse. He's getting blown of the dribble time after time. He is a defensive liability as his man is breaking him down which leads to help defense which leads to points in the paint or kick out 3's. His lack of defense put Orlando on the line every trip to close out the 2nd quarter tonight.

Add to all this he's turning the ball over... When has Mo Williams ever deliver in a big game???

[Mac4Lyfe]

WTF are you talking about MJ's stats at 24 are much better than Lebrons. Also this was only MJs 3 and 4th year in leauge an they dwarf Lebrons 3rd and 4th years. Lebron at 24 is playing in his 7th season. Anyway you comapre it MJs numbers are better.

LBJ at 24 7th season PPG 28.4 REB 7.6 AST 7.2 STL 1.7 BL 1.1 FG% .489
MJ at 24 3rd season PPG 37.1 REB 5.2 AST 4.6 STL 2.88 BL 1.5 FG% .482
MJ 5th season PPG 32.5 REB 8.0 AST 8.0 STL 2.89 BL .80 FG% .538

I meant playoff stats...

Like I said before, I don't get into the who's better pissing match because I think Kobe, MJ and Lebron are all superior athletes. It's very hard to compare guys from 3 different eras. I'd love to have any of those guys on my team.

The media has hyped this talk up because they know that it fuels the discussions and get people fired up. It's like the Big10 is slow or the SEC speed. The media loves it because it sells.

I was fortunate enough to see MJ play for years in person. I've also played Blackjack with him and my uncle was his golf pro for years as well. Was he the greatest? It's all subjective. I've never seen anyone bring it night after night like he did but he was very fortunate to have a great supporting cast.

I'm sure people would say that Bill Russell or Chamberlain were the best. I never saw them play in person so I can't compare.

Like I said before if I was starting a team tomorrow and could take any player in their prime, I would probably take Shaq 1st followed by MJ and Lebron tied for second. MJ could only win with Pippen, Kobe could only win with Shaq but Shaq won with Kobe, Wade and should have won with Penny if the Magic could hit a damn free throw.

Shaq was the most dominant player I've ever seen in his prime. You could not stop that guy and they had to change the rules because of him. I wish I could have seen Wilt in person because he was as dominant. I just don't know if he was going up against the competition Shaq went up against. I don't know.

[redbull]

very nice 3 pts buzzer beater

MJ still the best , not he`s stat , not how many ring
but he make everybody want to see NBA.