MJ wouldnt have done what Lebron just did....

[MickOverlast]

Since we're judging LeBron based on one game...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Px-jPm_TU

You people need to chill with the overrated talk.

[BrandonLaz]

You're right, last year in the playoffs the same thing happened and LeBron passed it off to D West for a wide open three pointer and he made it. Lebron was praised for being so unselfish. Delonte west shooting a wide open 3 pointer from the corner (his spot) is the better shot than a contested LeBron jump shot. I would prefer LeBron driving it in but god knows the ref aren't going to blow the whistle at the end of the game. Either way you can't judge a player on one play. Jordan missed more game winners than he made (24 out of 49).

The refs will give Lebron every call he should have just taken it hard to the basket and gone to the line. It has been all over ESPN with the same sentiment shared by EVERY analyst. He got Dwight Howard fouled out off of what was not even close to being a foul call. Dwight Howard is another Superstar and he still "drew" the foul call. If you don't think they would have called a foul for Lebron at the end of the game you are just insane. It is the way the refs are now they coddle the Superstar guard players. Kobe, Wade (NBA Finals anyone?), Lebron, Pierce, etc. they all get the calls during the game he did the wrong move. Also you are pulling up Jordan game winning numbers from regular season plays I bet his percentage was much higher during the postseason.

[sweetjones55]

The refs will give Lebron every call he should have just taken it hard to the basket and gone to the line. It has been all over ESPN with the same sentiment shared by EVERY analyst. He got Dwight Howard fouled out off of what was not even close to being a foul call. Dwight Howard is another Superstar and he still "drew" the foul call. If you don't think they would have called a foul for Lebron at the end of the game you are just insane. It is the way the refs are now they coddle the Superstar guard players. Kobe, Wade (NBA Finals anyone?), Lebron, Pierce, etc. they all get the calls during the game he did the wrong move. Also you are pulling up Jordan game winning numbers from regular season plays I bet his percentage was much higher during the postseason.

I don't think he'd get the benefit on the very last shot. Agree to disagree.

[lakerboy]

and the result of that game was ....... a loss ... at home .....
to that unbeatable juggernaut team of the magic !!!!
wonderful point.

ur argument is weak son.

guy forget it sweetjones just doesnt get it- he loves lebron and thats good for him

[Mac4Lyfe]

The refs will give Lebron every call he should have just taken it hard to the basket and gone to the line. It has been all over ESPN with the same sentiment shared by EVERY analyst. He got Dwight Howard fouled out off of what was not even close to being a foul call. Dwight Howard is another Superstar and he still "drew" the foul call. If you don't think they would have called a foul for Lebron at the end of the game you are just insane. It is the way the refs are now they coddle the Superstar guard players. Kobe, Wade (NBA Finals anyone?), Lebron, Pierce, etc. they all get the calls during the game he did the wrong move. Also you are pulling up Jordan game winning numbers from regular season plays I bet his percentage was much higher during the postseason.

Lebron doesn't get the benefit of the calls. I agree that kobe, DWade does but not Lebron. I've seen all of them all year long and Lebron has been getting creamed with huge shots taken and he often doesn't get the whistle. That last foul on Howard WAS a foul. he jumped up in the air as Lebron went in for the layup. Howard should have stayed on the ground and put his arms up and draw the charge. That is a foul on howards part and it was a stupid foul to boot. The ref has to make that call when the defender jumps up and there's contact plus he brought hi arms down on top of Lebron. I have it on Tivo.

Kobe elbowed artest in the throat and artest got called for the foul. Kobe charged into Houston all day long and got the foul called everytime. One time Battier was standing perfectly still and Kobe took his legs out and he got the foul. I don't know where people are getting that Lebron get's the calls. he went to the line 10 times last night and was getting hammered most everytime he got in the lane

It is very clear that Lebron had to play 1 on 5 because noone else on the team stepped up. He kept trying to feed guys the rock but these scrubs couldn't hit the ocean. I've been saying the past few years that the Cav's don't have the talent to win. They have one incredible talent but that's it. Mo Williams is very over rated. Give me Rafer Alston any day. Mo can't play defense and in big games he doesn't show up, neither does Delonte nor does Z. When is the last time any of these guys shown up in a big game???

Cleveland would have beaten Boston in game 7 last year if anybody not named Lebron stepped up and hit a wide ass open shot. Sasha, Wally, Delonte, Boobie all layed an egg. Who can honestly say that this Cleveland team is talented??? Who would start on another team in the league? Don't give me Mo because he really isn't even a starter in my mind. I can name 20 other PG's i'd take in front of him.

[5 star bomb]

MJ would have either.....

1. Taken ball to rim and got fouled and hit the free throws
2. Created his own shot by either getting a quick open look or fading away



Lebron is a great player but in crucial situations he will NEVER even come close to being as good as MJ. He doesnt have the outside game that MJ had and he isnt as good at creating his own shot and knocking it down.

[Mac4Lyfe]

MJ would have either.....

1. Taken ball to rim and got fouled and hit the free throws
2. Created his own shot by either getting a quick open look or fading away



Lebron is a great player but in crucial situations he will NEVER even come close to being as good as MJ. He doesnt have the outside game that MJ had and he isnt as good at creating his own shot and knocking it down.

WTF??? he had 49 points scoring at 0.667 percent from the field. Were you watching the game? Did you see all the outside shots Lebron hit last night? 67% shooting while 3 guys were checking him every time is incredible. Look at MJ's stat's. He had his first 49+ game when he was 24 (James is now 24) but MJ didn't get his next until he was 26. Lebron's stats are much better at the same age. To compare Lebron in a few years to the best that ever played the game is unfair. This guy is still a young player in the league. To compare him now at 24 to a Kobe who's been there many times before is unfair.

What more do you want Lebron to do? Re look at his box score. You have to be a real big hater to knock anyone putting down those type of stats. Damn

[sweetjones55]

guy forget it sweetjones just doesnt get it- he loves lebron and thats good for him

You are just a straight up hater and that's good for you.

[sweetjones55]

and the result of that game was ....... a loss ... at home .....
to that unbeatable juggernaut team of the magic !!!!
wonderful point.

ur argument is weak son.

Your arguments get weaker. I was talking specifically about LeBron James not the Cavaliers as a team. Yes, the Cavs lost but LeBron played amazing in that game and no one will argue that. If Delonte and Maurice Williams would have played half decent they win that game. You were trying to downplay LeBron's stats against the Hawks and Pistons because they are inferior teams when actually his best stats were in the Magic game.

[BCaldwell32]

Wow,some of these comments really come from people who lost their money last night.Anyone that has a smidge of basketball knowledge should be offended by some of the things being post. 1:Lebron is overrated(compared to who or what?) 2:clveland has the supporting cast to win a championship(only if Lebron leads them)3:kobe would win with this same team(does L.A. have any championships since shaq left).Kobe has always had a better supporting cast than Lebron,but it really takes a real one two punch and good defense to win a championship,This guy(LBJ)has done everything right and there will always be haters.No doubt Lebron can get better ,but this overrated thing really bothers me.He is always mentioned in the same category with some of the best players to ever play and that is not just hype,but it is what he has done already on the court in his short time in the nba.

I know more about the game of basketball than you will ever know in your life son! Lebron is way overrated in comparison to Kobe for one, the much better and clutch performer. Also, people try to tell me hi is already better than MJ, what a ****ing joke that is, if that is not overrated I have no idea what is. Lebron does have the supporting cast to win a championship, and of course you need him or another elite player to win, what kind of a point is that? Cleveland has a great chance of winning title if you take Lebron off and plug in any elite player (Kobe, Wade). You saying Kobe has always had a better supporting cast is a joke also, Kobe has had horrible teams since Shaq left and only last year did they have a great team, just 2 years ago they did not have Gasol, Fisher and Odom and Bynum were rookies who were not very affective yet. Kobe led his team to the playoffs with absolute garbage in a much tougher conference by the way. In the Eastern conference making the playoffs means just having a below 500 or so winning percentage, In the west you are lucky to get in with 50 wins!! Oh and you saying Lebron always does everything right, how about last night when they were still up 2 points with about 3 minutes left, he jacks up a bad 3 with tons of time on shot clock instead of driving to the basket and either finishing or creating for someone else? That possession was so important to push lead back out to a 2 possession game and clown James jacks up a horrible 3 at the absolute wrong time and Orlando capitalized big time on his critical mistake. Bottom line is I grew up in Chicago and watched just about everything MJ ever did and who gives a shit if you score 50 points in a loss, you're job as an elite player is to play just about perfect in these situations at the end of the game and Lebron just doesn't even come close to Kobe in 4th quarters let alone the best closer to ever play the game in Michael Jordan!!! Case is closed!!!!

[sweetjones55]

The refs will give Lebron every call he should have just taken it hard to the basket and gone to the line. It has been all over ESPN with the same sentiment shared by EVERY analyst. He got Dwight Howard fouled out off of what was not even close to being a foul call. Dwight Howard is another Superstar and he still "drew" the foul call. If you don't think they would have called a foul for Lebron at the end of the game you are just insane. It is the way the refs are now they coddle the Superstar guard players. Kobe, Wade (NBA Finals anyone?), Lebron, Pierce, etc. they all get the calls during the game he did the wrong move. Also you are pulling up Jordan game winning numbers from regular season plays I bet his percentage was much higher during the postseason.

Wrong. This includes all of the playoff shots also. It doesn't have any of the Wizards game winners or misses though.

http://www.nba.com/jordan/game_winners.html

[BCaldwell32]

WTF??? he had 49 points scoring at 0.667 percent from the field. Were you watching the game? Did you see all the outside shots Lebron hit last night? 67% shooting while 3 guys were checking him every time is incredible. Look at MJ's stat's. He had his first 49+ game when he was 24 (James is now 24) but MJ didn't get his next until he was 26. Lebron's stats are much better at the same age. To compare Lebron in a few years to the best that ever played the game is unfair. This guy is still a young player in the league. To compare him now at 24 to a Kobe who's been there many times before is unfair.

What more do you want Lebron to do? Re look at his box score. You have to be a real big hater to knock anyone putting down those type of stats. Damn

You people just have no clue and are not grasping the point here, Lebron can score 100 every game but if he does not take over and will the win at the end it means nothing!!! Greatness finds a way to win in tight situations, clown at top of this page puts you tube clip of Lebron highlights of this years playoffs against 2 bad teams!!! I can put some Mj playoff highlights up, but none of you guys have 20 hours to watch them all!!!

[whoatommy]

Lebron doesn't get the benefit of the calls.

OMG! hahahaha double rofl for that LMAO....Lebron gets the MOST calls out of all players in the NBA and Kobe is a REALLY CLOSE 2nd.

[BCaldwell32]

Oh and Jordan averaged 37.1 PPG when he was 23 years old and when he was 25 he averaged 32 PPG 8 Reb and 8 assists!! If we are discussing stats.

[5 star bomb]

You people just have no clue and are not grasping the point here, Lebron can score 100 every game but if he does not take over and will the win at the end it means nothing!!! Greatness finds a way to win in tight situations, clown at top of this page puts you tube clip of Lebron highlights of this years playoffs against 2 bad teams!!! I can put some Mj playoff highlights up, but none of you guys have 20 hours to watch them all!!!

Exactly!!!! You knew when the game was on the line who was going to score for the Bulls. MJ took the game in his hands and time and time again he would win it for his team. He took over and wouldnt allow his team to lose...

[jasont]

OMG! hahahaha double rofl for that LMAO....Lebron gets the MOST calls out of all players in the NBA and Kobe is a REALLY CLOSE 2nd.

His aggression warrants those calls.
Hypothetical: who wins 1 vs 1...KOBE OR LEBRON <------


PS: PLEASE DO NOT COMPARE THIS CAVS TEAM TO ANY BULLS TEAM OF THE PAST. OUTSIDE OF LEBRON, THEY WOULD HAVE 0 PLAYERS START ON THOSE BULLS TEAMS.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Exactly!!!! You knew when the game was on the line who was going to score for the Bulls. MJ took the game in his hands and time and time again he would win it for his team. He took over and wouldnt allow his team to lose...

You guys really don't have a clue... MJ missed twice as many more game winners than he ever made. I wish I had stats but for every game winner you saw him make he missed 2 or 3. Hell everybody points to the game winning shot against Utah but just the game before he missed the game winner against Utah

The facts of the matter is that you can missed 10 game winners, the only ones people remember are the one's you make. You can strike out 1000 times people don't care about your failures they really only remember your victories. I've personally seen MJ miss many game winners but that never defined him.

Do you want to see some stats on game winners??? here you go. You'd be surprised by the results. I guess most people also forgot Kobe versus Utah playoffs when he missed game winner after game winner at Lebron's age??? Once again, I think all these players are great and I don't waste my time on who's better but to put any of these guys down for any reason is nothing but haterade because you can't do what they do...

http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

[jasont]

great link Mac

[whoatommy]

His aggression warrants those calls.
.

True. But his aggression and physicality is almost Shaq like and he gets the benefit of the doubt. This guy puts his head and shoulders down and barrels into the lane like a full back. Any other player with that style of play --running into the lane like that will get the charging call all the time. No finesse to his game what-so-ever. What's even worst is he can't make his free throws after...lol

[whoatommy]

Hypothetical: who wins 1 vs 1...KOBE OR LEBRON <------

Who knows....Lebron is stronger...that's all I got. He's just more athletic that's it. Everything else Kobe is better at. It would probably come down to whoever has the ball last wins.

[BCaldwell32]

His aggression warrants those calls.
Hypothetical: who wins 1 vs 1...KOBE OR LEBRON <------


PS: PLEASE DO NOT COMPARE THIS CAVS TEAM TO ANY BULLS TEAM OF THE PAST. OUTSIDE OF LEBRON, THEY WOULD HAVE 0 PLAYERS START ON THOSE BULLS TEAMS.

Another clueless clown, Ilgauskas would be the starting center for the Bulls and Mo Williams would be right there with any of the Bulls PGs for the job. Anyone who says this Cleveland team is garbage except for Lebron has no clue about basketball whatsoever, this is a very solid supporting cast for a great player. The fact is that Lebron is just not great enough to take over when it counts!!

[BCaldwell32]

You guys really don't have a clue... MJ missed twice as many more game winners than he ever made. I wish I had stats but for every game winner you saw him make he missed 2 or 3. Hell everybody points to the game winning shot against Utah but just the game before he missed the game winner against Utah

The facts of the matter is that you can missed 10 game winners, the only ones people remember are the one's you make. You can strike out 1000 times people don't care about your failures they really only remember your victories. I've personally seen MJ miss many game winners but that never defined him.

Do you want to see some stats on game winners??? here you go. You'd be surprised by the results. I guess most people also forgot Kobe versus Utah playoffs when he missed game winner after game winner at Lebron's age??? Once again, I think all these players are great and I don't waste my time on who's better but to put any of these guys down for any reason is nothing but haterade because you can't do what they do...

http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

Of course MJ missed sometimes, but Lebron seems to never come through in the clutch and for sure nowhere near Mj or Kobe. Also, Lebron is not a good enough free throw shooter to be as clutch as them, Mj or Kobe can slash to the basket and either make the shot or get fouled and you better believe when the game is on the line, they are knocking down the free throws!! Lebron routinely misses with the game on the line, especially from the foul line!!

[Mac4Lyfe]

If you look at that list Chauncey Billups really stands out as pretty poor at game winners. Pierce is very good at assists, so is Bibby, Billups and James. One thing is for sure... Kobe is not going to pass the ball as he's taken the most shots and has one of the lowest assists.

Any way you shake it, hitting game winner's is not easy and on average your going to miss more than you make. The truly great one's are those that can overcome the misses and move on to the makes. MJ is number 1 to me in that regard and Kobe is climbing up. In fact I think kobe just surpassed MJ in game winners. I have that stat somewhere and will dig it up.

[paco]

forget Lebron taking the last shot for my team, Gimme RAshard LEWIS BaBy!!!!!!

[5 star bomb]

im not talking only the last shot... the last 5 minutes of the game MJ would take over. Always hit his free throws and locked down on defense

[Mac4Lyfe]

Another clueless clown, Ilgauskas would be the starting center for the Bulls and Mo Williams would be right there with any of the Bulls PGs for the job. Anyone who says this Cleveland team is garbage except for Lebron has no clue about basketball whatsoever, this is a very solid supporting cast for a great player. The fact is that Lebron is just not great enough to take over when it counts!!

I'm sorry BCald - I would take Will Purdue, Luc Longley and Bill Cartwright over Z (old age). I love Iggy and if it wasn't for his foot problems he could have been one of the best big men ever but he has not shown up against quality teams in quite some time. No way in hell does Howard abuse Cartwright or Longley in the paint. Cartwright was a BIG man and he gave opposing centers fits and he went up against some of the all time best centers ever.

Mo Williams was a cancer in Milwaukee, they were relieved to get rid of him. Paxson, Hodges, Kerr, Ron Harper, BJ Armstrong were all much better players than Mo. Mo is a liability on defense and against quality opponents he struggles like he did last night. He not an All Star despite being an alternate of an alternate. He was very lucky playing with a guy like Lebron. So is Boobie, AV, Wally, Z, etc... These guys would probably be out of the league without Lebron. Ask Damon Jones or Eric Snow...

[BCaldwell32]

wow, you guys act like cleveland has an awful team and Lebron is the only one that is even good at all. Will Perdue, Luc Longley and Cartwright were just decent centers on a team that did not need stong play from that position, they were primarily there for defense and were not much of a threat on offense. Mo Williams is much better than you are giving him credit for, if it was not for him on this Cleveland team they would not have been so successful this year.

[Mac4Lyfe]

BCald - I like Mo but I can list 20 other PG's that would have had similar success with Lebron. What is strange is why did it take so long for Ferry to finally get a PG??? Even still, Lebron IS the only guy worth a dam on this team. Get rid of them all, I say. Now of course Chicago's center's werent as good as Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Rodman but they controlled the paint and played tough. Cleveland lacks toughness. Ben Wallace, Z and AV are all soft as cotton and add very little value on offense.

I've seen every Cleveland game in the last 5 years and I can tell you for a fact that the talent level is extremely lacking. Every expert will tell you this. These guys are limited physically and noone can take a guy off the dribble. This team would be worthless without Lebron.

Lebron and some DLeaguers beat the Wizards last year prior to the big trade. Think about that. Lebron is the reason Cleveland wins. He's made scrubs look much better than they really are.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Lebron needs help. Any help would be nice. When Verajao is your other consistent scorer you have problems. Big problems. This game is not an anomaly. Look back to last year, the year before. It's Lebron and no help. It's sad to watch him give 110% and his teammates give 10%. In crunch time these guys fold up like a cheap suit and can't hit shots. Rewatch game 7 in Boston. Pathetic. Imagine if Lebron had a Horace Grant or a Pippen or a Steve Kerr or a Craig Hodges. Steve Kerr would not have missed that open Jumper last night and would have won the game.

[5 star bomb]

Mo Williams is not a scrub
Z is not a scrub
West is decent, good 3pt shooter
Varajo is decent

[Mac4Lyfe]

Anybody playing in the NBA is a star... So the word scrub is relative. Mo and Z are both benefitting by Lebron. On any other team Mo would be very ordinary. So is Andy who would never score a point if Lebron wasnt' dishing dimes that he often can't finish. West couldn't beat out Jamier Nelson but he has really improved this year. His defense is underrated.

I had this discussion months ago about Mo Will and there's a long list of PG's that would have great success in Cleveland.

Billups, Tony Parker, Derek Fisher, Chris Paul, Derron Williams, Jason Kidd, Mike Bibby, Derek Rose, Raymond Felton, DJ Augustin, Andre Miller, Ramon Sessions, Luke Ridnour, Ben Gordon, Kirk Hinrich, Rajon Rondo, Eric Gordon, Mike Conley, Mario Chalmers, Beno Udrih, Nate Robinson, Chris Duhon...

I haven't even gone through half the league. Mo's offensive abilities are severely dampered by his lack of defense. Put a guy like Andre Miller on this team and the Cav's would dominate posting up smaller guards in the post.

I love Mo, I'm glad he's on the team but watch in this series his liabilities and you will then see that he was not the single answer to this team. This team needs 2 or 3 additional pieces.

[5 star bomb]

some of the pg's you listen being better than Mo is absolutely hilarious

[Mac4Lyfe]

Put them in a Cav's uniform and watch what they would do... Who don't you agree with?

[Emmett Brown]

Exactly!!!! You knew when the game was on the line who was going to score for the Bulls. MJ took the game in his hands and time and time again he would win it for his team. He took over and wouldnt allow his team to lose...

well your God Kobe just lost the game for his team with a better supporting cast than Lebron has

[Emmett Brown]