MJ wouldnt have done what Lebron just did....

[BadBeatBodog]

I didn't read the whole thread so I apologize if this was said, but please allow me to LOL at people judging James over ONE play in a game. He had one of the best SEASONS ever. Please, I know haters need to nitpick to have an argument, especially when it comes to Lebron, but please come with something better than that.

I can already imagine the retort to this post will be, "but it was one IMPORTANT play." OK so what? It's still one little play that in no way comes close to defining James' season or career to date.

[whoatommy]

I didn't read the whole thread so I apologize if this was said, but please allow me to LOL at people judging James over ONE play in a game. He had one of the best SEASONS ever. Please, I know haters need to nitpick to have an argument, especially when it comes to Lebron, but please come with something better than that.

I can already imagine the retort to this post will be, "but it was one IMPORTANT play." OK so what? It's still one little play that in no way comes close to defining James' season or career to date.

What made Jordan so great? According to your logic, Jordan's late game heroics have nothing to with his greatness....they should just stop replaying that jump shot over Russell or that UNC game winner...

[The General]

Is James leaving Cleveland if he cannot get an almost guaranteed title?

[Shortstop]

[quote=Chi_archie;1863479]don't know about best supporting cast....

but unless anyone of them are better then Lebron? why didn't he take the shot? I don't care how wide open a 3 is, you only need 2 to win.


maybe Lebron needs to stop practicing 90 footers and trick shots and become a 88% or better free throw shooter... I haven't played in 10 years, and without warming up I still shoot better from the line then him....


Post of the night. Right on Arch!

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

one play? its coming thru in the clutch that make great players immaculate, what if Jordan missed that 3 in Utah? what if Jordan missed that jumper over Russel, what if he missed that shot in Cleveland? do you still look at him the exact same way? the answer is no. Lebron is a great player but hes yet to show the poise and overall greatness in the playoffs under pressure.

[Shortstop]

don't know about best supporting cast....

but unless anyone of them are better then Lebron? why didn't he take the shot? I don't care how wide open a 3 is, you only need 2 to win.


maybe Lebron needs to stop practicing 90 footers and trick shots and become a 88% or better free throw shooter... I haven't played in 10 years, and without warming up I still shoot better from the line then him....

Great post Arch! I couldn't agree more.

[Emmett Brown]

I really really really hate when people blame clevelands losses on Lebron's teammates and not him...

Cleveland lost by 1...

It's not really realistic in full but if lebron shoots 7 of 10 then they go to OT... 8 of 10 they win it...

Lebron played great, but he's supposed to...

It's unbelievable how people constantly say Cleveland's the best but then say all they have is lebron when they lose... if they were the best they'd have more than 1 threat... they can't be the best when they win but only a 1 player squad when they lose... ppl don't say kobe is all the lakers have...

I mean Miami should be the 3rd best in the league if that was the case...

Lebron's got the cast to win a championship... he won't do it though because he doesn't know how to play well when it counts. he thinks too hard or doesn't take the last shot or misses a free throw etc...

[jasont]

Wow...its obvious a majority don't have a clue about this game. The magic are better than the Cavs on paper. LBJ does NOT have the cast to win an NBA championship, they have the worst team (ON PAPER) left in the playoffs. They didn't lose this game because of Lebron, they lost because of Rashard Lewis. The Cavs don't have a big to guard him nor does any team left in the playoffs (maybe Lakers and Odom).

The Cavs cannot ask much more out of Lebron, West and Williams better improve on their horrendous shooting if the Cavs have any shot AND The only reason Lebron passed was because he had no room to make a play, he made the proper basketball play.
Hop off his nuts and don't bet -8.5 next time versus the Magic.

[jasont]

Is James leaving Cleveland if he cannot get an almost guaranteed title?

hopefully he teams up with Dwight and the Magic win 10 straight championships.

[BCaldwell32]

are you kidding me emmett???

Lebron has one of the best supporting casts in the league...

and I agree, MJ would never pass the ball in this situation... Proof Lebron is Overrated at this stage of his career

Amen to that!!! Most overrated player in the history of the NBA and possibly all sports.

[BCaldwell32]

Brandon - Lebron is surrounded by scrubs. What player on the Cav's outside of Lebron would start for the Magic? I'm a huge Cav fan but this team is not that talented. Mike Brown is getting blood out of a bunch of turnips. Who on this team can matchup with Howard and Rashard Lewis. The Magic bench is much better than the Cav's. The glaring weakness of the Cavs is in their bigs. Z and Big Ben are no factor whatsoever. AV is horrible. Joe Smith is the really only consistent big but hes really a 7th or 8th man at best.

This game was Lebron playing 1 on 5. The Magic didn't give a damn about any other player because every other player on the team is inconsistent. Even if Cleveland is shooting well you only have to play 4 on 5 because teams don't care about the 4 position. Andy and Ben are not going to beat you. They are self checked. Andy had a real good first minute then he came back down to earth and Rashard ate his ass up the rest of the game. The bigs really can't play one on one defense because they are too flat footed.

Lebron went 6 of 10 from FT's. While of course not good that wasn't the reason they lost the game. He can't do it all by himself and just like last year it's him against the world. Danny Ferry needs to get his ass to work and get him some help.

Mac, you are a bigger idiot than I ever imagined!!!

Mo Williams is an awesome point guard: 18 PPG 4 APG 3 RPG
Zydrunas Ilgauskas is a great outside shooting center: 15 PPG 8 RPG
Delonte West is a very good SG: 12 PPG 4 APG

This team has alot of talent on it and they play excellent defense, their only problem is everyone has such high expectations of them because of Lebron. There is only one problem, he is the most overrated player in the history of sports and it makes me sick. Michael Jordan would easily win a title with this team and put Kobe on this team and they easily win also. Mj and Kobe would not let their teams lose in the last few minutes of such an important game.

[bkny2cnc]

Wow,some of these comments really come from people who lost their money last night.Anyone that has a smidge of basketball knowledge should be offended by some of the things being post. 1:Lebron is overrated(compared to who or what?) 2:clveland has the supporting cast to win a championship(only if Lebron leads them)3:kobe would win with this same team(does L.A. have any championships since shaq left).Kobe has always had a better supporting cast than Lebron,but it really takes a real one two punch and good defense to win a championship,This guy(LBJ)has done everything right and there will always be haters.No doubt Lebron can get better ,but this overrated thing really bothers me.He is always mentioned in the same category with some of the best players to ever play and that is not just hype,but it is what he has done already on the court in his short time in the nba.

[lakerboy]

Must be tough to be Lebron, put up 49 points in a playoff game and still get criticized, if Lebron had a 101 pt game and lost there'd be guys knockin him for a late FT he missed, nobody plays perfect not even Lebron or Kobe, he played incredible tonight and his team still lost, that is not a good sign for Cavs this series but we'll see maybe they'll come out friday and win by 30

Look the bottom line is that stars dont miss free throws when it counts. people stop defending Lebron because when Kobe has games wlike that people call him selfish. Just ask yourself would Jordan or Bird or Magic or Kobe miss free throws when it counts and the answer is no. We know who misses free throws and that is Karl Malone and Lebron James

[lakerboy]

Mac, you are a bigger idiot than I ever imagined!!!

Mo Williams is an awesome point guard: 18 PPG 4 APG 3 RPG
Zydrunas Ilgauskas is a great outside shooting center: 15 PPG 8 RPG
Delonte West is a very good SG: 12 PPG 4 APG

This team has alot of talent on it and they play excellent defense, their only problem is everyone has such high expectations of them because of Lebron. There is only one problem, he is the most overrated player in the history of sports and it makes me sick. Michael Jordan would easily win a title with this team and put Kobe on this team and they easily win also. Mj and Kobe would not let their teams lose in the last few minutes of such an important game.

exactly and if cleveland has such a shitty supporting cast they knew that 2 years ago why didnt they do something about it. Because they did do something about it and thats why they had the best record in the league. Lebron and his boys need to stop acting like idiots on the sidelines because everyone is sick and tired of it

[lakerboy]

one play? its coming thru in the clutch that make great players immaculate, what if Jordan missed that 3 in Utah? what if Jordan missed that jumper over Russel, what if he missed that shot in Cleveland? do you still look at him the exact same way? the answer is no. Lebron is a great player but hes yet to show the poise and overall greatness in the playoffs under pressure.

life is not about what if's because jordan didnt leave that up for debate

[kane01]

Guys, orlando magic hasn't won yet. they just won 1 game. Cleveland might win the next 4 games.

Psss.... I really want lebron james to win.

[sweetjones55]

OVERRATED???

Michael Jordan NEVER compiled the playoff stats that Lebron has this year.

In fact, NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA has EVER had a better playoff stat line than LeBron James. He is 24 by the way.

Per 48 minutes in these playoffs, LeBron is averaging 42 points, 11 rebounds, and 8 Assists. GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE WITH THAT OVERRATED TALK. I challenge anyone to find someone in the history of the NBA who did that in the playoffs (Oscar Robertson did not do it).

All you LeBron haters, go searching all over the internet and prove me wrong. If you can't then just shut the hell up. I really love though that there are threads already using MJ and LeBron in the same sentence, it says a lot.

[Buckeye]

I can't believe some of you people, specifically one Laker fans. Let me say this if Kobe was on Cleveland and Lebron on the Lakers with the same supporting casts the Lakers would not have lost a game to the Rockets. Lebron may not make game winning shots as much as Kobe and has missed some key freethrows at times, but his overall game is better and he gets his team involved better than any other player in the NBA. I have Laker fans as friends and they all say they would take Lebron over Kobe any day. Kobe is awesome but he has not won a championship without Shaq and it is yet to be determined if he will or not this year. Finally, Mo Williams is an awesome guard, but he sure didn't play like one last night and let's face it Illgauskas is an adequate center but if Clevaland had a legitmate center they would probably be no doubt they would win it all. Howard is too dominating for him and Lebron finally had to go down and play some D on him to slow him down. I take Lebron over Kobe all day long!!!

[G's pks]

I am thinking that some of you are just to young to remember how great MJ was... Lebron is a little to cocky...and not as good a defender.... Both can/could score... Jordan would easily be my pick...but after Lebron puts up 6 titles I will consider in the same class...

[lakerboy]

I can't believe some of you people, specifically one Laker fans. Let me say this if Kobe was on Cleveland and Lebron on the Lakers with the same supporting casts the Lakers would not have lost a game to the Rockets. Lebron may not make game winning shots as much as Kobe and has missed some key freethrows at times, but his overall game is better and he gets his team involved better than any other player in the NBA. I have Laker fans as friends and they all say they would take Lebron over Kobe any day. Kobe is awesome but he has not won a championship without Shaq and it is yet to be determined if he will or not this year. Finally, Mo Williams is an awesome guard, but he sure didn't play like one last night and let's face it Illgauskas is an adequate center but if Clevaland had a legitmate center they would probably be no doubt they would win it all. Howard is too dominating for him and Lebron finally had to go down and play some D on him to slow him down. I take Lebron over Kobe all day long!!!

once again we have another "what if guy"

[whoatommy]

Put Lebron on the past Laker teams with Shaq, the outcome......Lebron misses free throws and Lakers don't win 3 championships....

[ASH0479]

...

Wow a lot of LBJ haters blaming him for the loss, do I think he should have taken the last shot, ofcourse, he should have powerbombed that ball right over Turkuglo...but to blame him for the loss is ridiculous~

Mo Williams 6 - 19
Delonte West 4-13
Wally 0-2

You tell me why they lost the game...

[Buckeye]

Put Lebron on the past Laker teams with Shaq, the outcome......Lebron misses free throws and Lakers don't win 3 championships....

More like the outcome is they would have one four titles, because him and Shaq would have beat the Pistons unlike your pal Koby!!!

[lakerboy]

More like the outcome is they would have one four titles, because him and Shaq would have beat the Pistons unlike your pal Koby!!!

no they lost that series because that free throw missing fool(malone) was on the team but got injured and couldnt do nothing in that series- it's pointless to argue with guys like you because u suck lbj di$k and are blinded by his jumping around

[Buckeye]

no they lost that series because that free throw missing fool(malone) was on the team but got injured and couldnt do nothing in that series- it's pointless to argue with guys like you because u suck lbj di$k and are blinded by his jumping around

It is pointless to argue with you because all you can do is talk shit and call people names. Where was Kobe in that series? If he was so great he would have overcome those missed free throws by Malone? Finally you are the PUS$Y, not Lebron JackAS$!!!

[sweetjones55]

Lakerboy, I am waiting for you to come up with a player who had better playoff stats per 48 minutes. There has to be one player with better stats if you really think LeBron is overrated. Numbers don't lie buddy. The Cavs had the best record in the NBA and still have by far the best playoff record up to now.

Overrated and best playoff stats ever at age 24 do not go hand in hand. Hell I am thinking underrated makes more sense.

[lakerboy]

It is pointless to argue with you because all you can do is talk shit and call people names. Where was Kobe in that series? If he was so great he would have overcome those missed free throws by Malone? Finally you are the PUS$Y, not Lebron JackAS$!!!

it looks like we touched a nerve here- i must be right about you the way you defend lebron-is he is your boyfriend

[lakerboy]

Lakerboy, I am waiting for you to come up with a player who had better playoff stats per 48 minutes. There has to be one player with better stats if you really think LeBron is overrated. Numbers don't lie buddy. The Cavs had the best record in the NBA and still have by far the best playoff record up to now.

sweetjones

i dont need to come up with stats because 3 rings to none dont lie man. the best record in the nba doesnt guarantee anything lebron is liked because he is a kiss ass to the refs and the leagues new poster boy- but Kobe will still have one more say this year and then i will ask you about numbers- by the way Kobe doesnt hear these arguments because his ears are clogged by rings

by the way why was the soft one rested at the beginning of the fourth in a crucial game while Kobe played the whole 4th- man o man- coach of the year Brown got outcoached by Ron Jeremy

[sweetjones55]

LOL don't bother coming up with stats, no one can match LeBron. Kobe has more rings but LeBron is better than he ever was at age 24. I respect Kobe a great deal but without the most dominant center of all time, I think he would have only have 1 ring by now. Either way rings don't completely measure greatness. If that was the case then Robert Horry is better than Lebron and Kobe combined.

[lakerboy]

Kobe has more rings but LeBron is better than he ever was at age 24. I respect Kobe a great deal but without the most dominant center of all time, I think he would have only have 1 ring by now. Either way rings don't completely measure greatness. If that was the case then Robert Horry is better than Lebron and Kobe.

true brother but we know stars are measured by titles and unless you win one your always second rate- ask Karl Malone, Jim Kelly,Dan Marino and many more

[jsmithj88]

OVERRATED???

Michael Jordan NEVER compiled the playoff stats that Lebron has this year.

In fact, NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA has EVER had a better playoff stat line than LeBron James. He is 24 by the way.

Per 48 minutes in these playoffs, LeBron is averaging 42 points, 11 rebounds, and 8 Assists. GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE WITH THAT OVERRATED TALK. I challenge anyone to find someone in the history of the NBA who did that in the playoffs (Oscar Robertson did not do it).

All you LeBron haters, go searching all over the internet and prove me wrong. If you can't then just shut the hell up. I really love though that there are threads already using MJ and LeBron in the same sentence, it says a lot.

weak argument, look at the level of competition
they ran over a 39-43 "playoff team" in the pistons
then they beat a hawks team that
-cant score in the half court
-needed 7 games to beat dwayne wade, not the heat
-the "defense" played in todays game is a joke

wat do u think jordan would be averaging if he played in todays nba?

[k22t]

Its only 1 game but point is...Lebron choked on the line made a huge mistake by passing that ball of to d.west who was not shooting well from the field. That's the difference betweek Kobe and Lebron. Kobe doesn't pass that ball even if he's triple covered unless there is someone standing wide open under the basket. Then again if that shot goes in were talking about how great lebron for trusting his teammates.

[sweetjones55]

weak argument, look at the level of competition
they ran over a 39-43 "playoff team" in the pistons
then they beat a hawks team that
-cant score in the half court
-needed 7 games to beat dwayne wade, not the heat
-the "defense" played in todays game is a joke

wat do u think jordan would be averaging if he played in todays nba?

Worst argument so far jsmith. LeBron actually had his best game against the Magic not the Hawks or Pistons. He had 49 points 8 assists and 6 rebounds on 66% shooting last night.

[sweetjones55]

Its only 1 game but point is...Lebron choked on the line made a huge mistake by passing that ball of to d.west who was not shooting well from the field. That's the difference betweek Kobe and Lebron. Kobe doesn't pass that ball even if he's triple covered unless there is someone standing wide open under the basket. Then again if that shot goes in were talking about how great lebron for trusting his teammates.

You're right, last year in the playoffs the same thing happened and LeBron passed it off to D West for a wide open three pointer and he made it. Lebron was praised for being so unselfish. Delonte west shooting a wide open 3 pointer from the corner (his spot) is the better shot than a contested LeBron jump shot. I would prefer LeBron driving it in but god knows the ref aren't going to blow the whistle at the end of the game. Either way you can't judge a player on one play. Jordan missed more game winners than he made (24 out of 49).

[jsmithj88]

Worst argument so far jsmith. LeBron actually had his best game against the Magic not the Hawks or Pistons. He had
49 points 8 assists and 6 rebounds on 66% shooting.

and the result of that game was ....... a loss ... at home .....
to that unbeatable juggernaut team of the magic !!!!
wonderful point.

ur argument is weak son.