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Liberals are just proving how hypocritical and vindictive they are. We have 8 years of failed policies in all areas that Pubs could not kill totally. They were labeled as holding Obama back. They let through Obamacare, or Hillary care, and are now blamed for changing it. This is 100% on Dems. They managed to make a terrible health care system worse so Obamacare could have his name on it. Now, Trump is on the clock with a system that Dems created that will take years to straighten out. Liberals really just need to shut up because we are going to try something that might actually work. The reason it will be difficult is Libs yet they are already complaining. Unreal.Comment -
It's all over man Trump wonComment -
The law will change and everyone will pat each other on the back saying "WE DID IT" but it will encompass the same principles. We have a massive healthcare crisis on our hands and repealing Obamacare without a solid plan will spell disaster. 10,000 people PER DAY turn 65 and will until 2030 something. We cannot just roll back OC and hope it works itself out.Comment -
I agree we do need a plan before we get rid of it
Maybe there are alternative plans that have been written from the past that tinker with Obama careComment -
Instead of subsidizing the premiums for the citizens to pay - what if the government subsidized the claims for the insurance companies so they do not have to charge such high premiums? Similar to flood insurance - federal crop insurance?
Then, I guess if lower income people do not buy insurance or choose not to - they would be refused entrance to a hospital no matter how sick or injured they are? Because - they are like shoplifters stealing money from the system? What do you guys propose for that demographic?Comment -
First off obama care is federal law. To repeal federal law you need a super majority of 60 senators to vote repeal. . trump doesnt even have a majority of republican senators to work with. After nov 8 ths election. There are 51 republican senators. 45 democrat senators and 2 independants. To have a majority in senate you need 52. And to get obamacare repealed trumps gonna have to get 60 senate votes to repeal. This is by no means overComment -
It really is a failed policy though. Needs loads of work. I do like that Trump made it clear that he will keep one key element of it . All pre-conditions will be accepted. This was the main reason so many Americans could not get healthcare.
I have been reading more about Trump and the direction he wants to go in. And honestly,,it looks favorable on most major issues. Lets keep our heads up and be postitive until the dam breaks.Comment -
Well, how will trump attack Affordable Care - try to amend the law?Comment -
So what happens if you have a pre condition?Comment -
20 million americans are gonna lose their health care and these clowns are happy because in all reality these assholes applauding are me me type of individuals. They want this repealed bad but have no idea what it really is. They want it repealed bad instead of their candidates making adjustments to it to make it better. They want it repealed badly because this has been a focal point from cunning men and they are just flat out to stupid to realize it and lastly the bottom line is that the Democrats have to run a flawless candidate to win the presidency and the Republicans can run Bin Laden, Hitler, or even Bozo the clown and those three have a real shot at getting elected as long as they have an R next to their name. Barstoll u said we will be watching? No only people who care about others will. These pieces of shit don't care about anybody but themselves. I got a friend who was stiffed by Trump and he still voted for him. Go figure. That is why i said they would vote for Bin Laden if he had an R next to his name. If Trump would have run as a democrat he would have gotten smashed.Comment -
He will have good advisers
He is not stupidComment -
He won't fully repeal Obamacare . This is politics people , actions have consequences.
Popular vote was 50 / 50. So it's still split
The Republicans can claim Victory over a modification, it's a Win Win. They will adjust / modify it over the money portion , tax portion , actually , since that's what it is .
If they repeal it , those 50% can become 52% and the next election they get slaughtered. Most didn't turn out to vote for Clinton, next time they can for whoever it is.
Amazing, media and pundits don't get it , when voters get pissed , they show up at the polls. Just like this election, the Democratic Voters, didn't get change from the last 2 , they didn't show up.
The Ind , Rep side was pissed , they did show up
But I don't expect a full repeal but a revision to eliminate the high tax being paid for premiums as well as not "purchasing " Said product.Comment -
Trump a winner
Obama care worst thing that ever happened in America
A disaster
It is why Trump won....you guys liked getting fukked in the ass with feesComment -
Typical. The liberal Obamacare is one of the most ill conceived pieces of garbage to come from our government in its existence. There is no way a slightly educated person could defend it. That is why liberals still defend it even though it has been a 100% resounding failure. Then they say people don't understand it. It is you who has no clue what you are talking about. It is hilarious how somehow you are against Trump's healthcare ideas and support an unsustainable worst legislation ever plan. I didn't think liberals could get any dumber, but this election has proven they can rise to unparalleled levels of ignorance.Comment -
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I totally get it...I offered the COBRA example to lend some historical perspective and to illustrate that it's just not that easy to start denying people medical care. Unwinding the healthcare laws in the US would be nearly impossible. I 100% agree with you though...if we wanted to make healthcare affordable, this would be a way to do it. By allowing anyone who needs healthcare to get it regardless of the ability to pay, you are driving up the cost. It's a de facto tax on consumers and providers.
Single payer system administrated by private companies seems like the logical solution, but I am not sure how well that is going to go over.Comment -
Lots of Dems do not like it
It is a ripoff for people that have it
Why??? The poor people do not payComment -
Can anyone on this board who skews left propose one rational reason why I should be fined for being healthy?
This is the logical issue with the Obama care. Healthy people pay the fine (or tax if you're John Roberts) and suddenly the assumption of a pool of buyers subsidized by young healthy kids fades away as the tax becomes increasingly less pricey than an exchange plan.
So here we have 3 fails- a logic fail, an assumption fail, an implementation fail. This, mind you, for a program governing 15% of our national economy. It cannot be said that it works nationally. It could work state by state, or region by region, if the fine were removed and mandated a purchase, but again, can anyone give one rational reason that would be legal or moral?
Country simply cannot go on pandering to the bottom feeders, cannot continue to subsidize the poor lifestyle choices people make. Time for self discipline and ownership of one's choices- real men pay their own bills, take care of their bodies, bank money and save for the rainy day. Catastrophe plans on open markets will be affordable again very soon!Comment -
I agree, we should not be forced to buy health care insurance or even car insurance for that matter but without Obamacare, those bottom feeders still were living off the system and paid nothing. A coworker's family member would go to the ER all the time for the most minute things before Obamacare because she knew how to beat the system.Comment -
Trump is the first leftist president we have had in a while.
He won due to his leftist anti-trade policies.
He is a big fan of Medicare For All. Trump's election advanced that 10 years.
He is already talking about a huge infrastructure project because he knows the government creates jobs.
Rs are going to eat it all up because they love lefty policies. They just need to the right guy to lead them. They will go where Trump leads.Comment -
Don't get me wrong , Obamacare is utter trash but again , politics is the name of the game.
Tax every single American who doesn't purchase a product, goes against everything we believe in.
But it will get modified so many people aren't paying 5x the premiums you once paid .
They'll rename it after modifying it as well .
It's not a bad thought but some don't need it , some refuse to pay it. Passage and implementation was BS as well .
In the end the other insured pay for the uninsured anyway.
Check your Car Insurance, i live in Alabama, insurance is required yet my highest premium.
You guessed it , uninsured motorist.
I argued to no avail but you're winning it vs Insurance 99.9% of the time .
Total BS, insurance is a scam anyway.Comment
