yeah cotto just turned out to be a bad play
not too upset though, still had a profitable day with my over 9.5 rounds
not too upset though, still had a profitable day with my over 9.5 rounds
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illmatick,
wanted to get your thoughts on the first malignaggi vs. juan diaz fight, and on the rematch 12/12 (i think that's the date). i'm thinking malignaggi big in the rematch.Comment -
I remember the last time they fought I stayed away from malignaggi because I knew he would get robbed by golden boy promotions with the fight being in texas, I had a large play on the over and I'm sure it will be worth paying the juice once again, any lines out yet? depending on what the lines open at I might play paulie but the over rounds prop will probably be a max play, I still need to look over the details of the fight, ie. where its taking place before I play either fighterOriginally posted by bruce_outsideComment -
Juan/Paulie II is in Chicago. Juan wouldn't fight him in NYC, so they agreed to a neutral site.Comment -
also fight is at 139 this time instead of 138.5 (my understanding is that paulie really wanted the 1/2 lb) and ring will be 20 ft instead of 18. so higher weight, bigger ring, neutral site. all 3 favor paulie.
diaz really did not look right to me. hard to tell if it was an off night but i thought more likely he is on the downside his career.Comment -
also have Mikkel Kessler -230 x3 ., line has since moved 40 cents against meOriginally posted by illmatick
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over should be safe, unless someone surprisesComment -
i'm on the over too. i would be really surprised by an early or mid ko. i don't believe they cut easily either.Comment -
well we cashed our big play on the over, I ended up hedging my kessler bet just a bit with ward by decision at +333, but even that came up a round shortComment -
Guzman vs Funeka over 11.5 rounds -175 x2Comment -
Good call Ill, this has over wirtten all over itComment -
good luck, great fight so farOriginally posted by marabdl86Comment -
Funeka takes a 12 round ud
wow, fight ends in a drawComment -
good article on tonights fight, getting my plays ready right now
Hopkins will be fighting as well
TUESDAY MORNING UPDATE
New information in last paragraph.
Forward planning is nothing new in the fight game. Roy Jones Jr. has a plan. It is to give Danny Green a boxing lesson in Australia on Wednesday and then meet old rival Bernard Hopkins in a “rematch of the legends” fight in 2010. Hopkins is expected to coast home in his tune-up fight against Enrique Ornelas on the Versus Network on Wednesday, and same-day coverage of Jones-Green will be part of the show. It is a perfect way to lead into a Jones-Hopkins megafight. There’s just one small problem. Green might not be the pushover that I suspect Jones believes him to be.
It is no secret that Jones is a smart businessman who is careful about the fights that he accepts. He obviously is very confident that Green does not pose too much of a problem, otherwise he wouldn’t be boxing outside of the U.S. for the first time in a 20-year-professional career.
Perhaps Jones has studied the video of Green getting outboxed by Anthony Mundine three years ago. As he watched, he must have thought that what Mundine did, he can certainly accomplish, too.
Green, although tough and game, struggled with Mundine’s speed and sharp boxing skills. Mundine was almost playing with Green in that fight. He stuck out his tongue and even did a Jones-type “rooster strut” move. Mundine beat Green to the punch and backed him up and seemed able to hit him when and where he liked. The Aussie TV commentators had Mundine winning every round from the second onwards. It bordered on the embarrassing for Green’s supporters.
If Mundine was able to do that to Green, then what chance does the “Green Machine” stand against Jones? I’m thinking he might stand a better chance than many believe.
For a start, Green seemed a bit drained as a 168-pounder. He moved up to light-heavyweight immediately after the fight. I do believe that Green's boxing technique has improved in his return to the ring after taking a 16-month break. He will be boxing in front of a huge crowd that will be right behind him. If Green can get into the bout, have some success, land some punches, the fans will be doing their best to will him to victory. Whereas the Australian sporting public is mixed in its view of Mundine, everyone seems to love Green. If Green can pull off the upset it will be a happy day indeed Down Under.
Jones is the faster and far more skilled fighter, and although he will turn 41 in a couple of months I must say that he looked borderline sensational in his last fight when he toyed with Jeff Lacy. He was, though, meeting a very slow, sadly diminished fighter who has never been the same since Joe Calzaghe beat him up three years earlier. Green is, I believe, a much more dangerous proposition than Lacy. Green isn’t a damaged and worn-down fighter. Although Green is 36, he is arguably boxing with more discipline than he has ever done. In his last fight he showed an excellent left jab and picked his punches expertly in stopping Julio Cesar Dominguez, and while the Argentinean is nowhere near Jones’s level this was, nevertheless, a solid, professional display by Green.
Wednesday’s bout is for the IBO’s cruiserweight title, which Green won in August, but really this is a meeting of light-heavyweights. Jones, having won championships in four weight classes from middleweight to heavyweight, wanted to pick up a cruiser belt to add to the collection, so this is a title fight of convenience, if you like. I do think, though, that Green will be very strong at around 180 pounds and indeed this could be the perfect weight for the 6ft 1in Australian. He is a big-hearted, determined fighter, he can punch and he does have some boxing ability despite what some of his critics might think — I don’t regard Green as just a tough slugger.
Green, I think, represents Jones’s sternest challenge since he met Joe Calzaghe, and we all know what happened to Jones that night.
Jones can look dazzling against the right opponent, but will Green be the “right” opponent?
I have looked carefully at Jones’s most recent bouts. I might be in the minority, but I thought that Anthony Hanshaw gave Jones a real tussle in Mississippi two years ago and I agreed with the judge who had the fight scored closely.
Jones has been meeting boxers who were tailor-made for him, the likes of Prince Badi Ajamu, a long-inactive Felix Trinidad, the wide-open Omar Sheika, a shell-shocked Jeff Lacy.
Green, for me, is a live underdog in Wednesday’s fight. Yes, of course, Jones has studied Green and makes him an opponent he can outbox and outsmart, but the Green camp has surely done its homework and examined Jones’s recent fights.
It is easy to visualise Jones making Green miss, hitting him with fast, hard shots, bouncing his double, triple and quadruple left hooks off of the Aussie’s head and generally having fun in what is probably Australia’s biggest international fight since Jack Johnson tormented an overmatched Tommy Burns in Sydney back in 1908. I’m not sure the script will play out this way, though.
If Anthony Hanshaw could get Jones backed up on the ropes and have his moments of success, cannot Green do the same — or even go one better and grind out a victory?
What Jones likes to do is to set his own pace, to cover up on the ropes, let an opponent hit him on the arms and gloves and then unleash his flashy — and hurtful — bursts of punches. Green must keep the punches coming when Jones goes to the ropes, not squandering energy but moving his hands sufficiently to pick up points. If he can sneak some hard shots around the side of Jones’s guard or dig in some body blows, so much the better. Glen Johnson was able to win rounds with his steady, intelligent pressure when Jones went to the ropes.
On the outside Jones might well be able to outclass Green. However, Jones tends to fight in spurts. Green can get results by being consistent. Some may think that the only way Green can win is by knockout. I don’t see it that way. I believe his best chance is to be steady and hard-working, keeping his hands up, using the jab, putting pressure on Jones, not wasting punches by swinging wildly, and — most important of all — to bang away in a measured manner when Jones chooses to take a breather on the ropes. I don’t see Green stopping Jones. I can, though, see Green winning simply by doing enough to give the judges a reason to award rounds to the Australian boxer.
This is a fight that, at first glance, Jones should win. My “first thoughts” pick was Jones by decision. When looking closely at a fight, though, first thoughts aren’t always final thoughts. As of yesterday I was leaning a little bit in Green’s favour, by decision rather than stoppage. Then, this morning (Tuesday), I checked out the weigh-in video on Fightnews.com. Both men weighed a bit over 179 pounds. Green looked in good trim. Jones, though, looked eye-poppingly good. More than this, though, he projected a real superstar aura. Jones's body language was very, very good. The weigh-in set off that little warning voice inside us. I ignored this warning voice when, at the weigh-in for Cotto-Margarito in Las Vegas, I stuck with my Cotto pick even though the physical look of the fighters gave cause for doubt. This time I'll listen to the voice. As a former editor of mine would shout when making a change of plan: "All bets off!" The evidence of the weigh-in has me switching back to my original thoughts: Jones on points.Comment -
I think the Jones fight is early tomorrow morning. Frickin' Australia.Comment -
Yeah, it's early Wednesday morning. Will be shown on tape delay tomorrow night on Versus (as well as live coverage of B-Hop's fight).Comment -
yeah you guys are right
damn I was getting all excited for nothing
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nothing solid, just a few small plays
Green/Jones Jr goes distance -165 x1.5
Jones Jr wins by 12 rnd decision -107 x.5
Green wins in round 7-12 +893 x.25
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only stream i could find
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nice fight
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0-3. jones was ko in the firstOriginally posted by illmatickComment -
LOL. Green stops Roy in the first round.
Please retire.Comment -
Bad news for B-Hop.Comment -
illmatick,
the lines are out (at The Greek anyway) for the malignaggi vs juan diaz rematch:
diaz -160
malignaggi +135
I think paulie is a real good play. as i understand it, there are 3 factors that increase paulie's chances from the last fight: 1/2 lb higher catch wt, neutral site (chicago), and bigger ring 20 ft.
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I played him small at +130 from 5 dimes, few other plays I locked up as well
Arthur Abraham -190 over Andre Dirrell x3
Andre Berto +180 over shane mosley x1
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Dirrel will beat Abraham, might want to get your money back on that one
Berto will beat Mosley
Diaz beats Paulie I have one good fight and want the world to know about it, until I stink up the joint in my next one
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I did grab A.Dirrell wins Super 6 Classic at +1500 so the upset wouldn't be all that bad for me
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You see your money, it's blowing in the windComment -
I'm on Berto to beat Mosely too. Can't be fooled by the Margo fight. Mayorga made him look awful.Comment -
mara - what happened to all those points you took from me after our cotto/pac bet?Comment -
Originally posted by marabdl86
paul williams was lucky to win that fight, most boxing experts say it was a robbery, like I have said before countless times, paul williams is a fraud and its a shame I didn't get to load up on pavlik against himComment -
Nice fight. I have no problem with a close decision either way, but that 119-110 judge needs to be laughed off the boxing world.Comment -
Paul would annihilate Pavlik, as would Sergio.Originally posted by illmatickComment
