Online casinos, let's discuss

[captrobey]

Once i sent an angry e-mail to DSI saying how bad their casino was and how they should be ashamed of how they take advantage of people. I got an e-mail back from them . This was a couple years back. I put in copies of ale hands . I thought the e-mail would either be an excuse of how fair they were and how they are regulated or maybe put a couple bucks in my account after seeing the obviously rigged hands.

Instead all it said was "What is your account number?"

So they do not put anything in the account. But the next time i broke down and went in there i all of a sudden started getting a fair game . I had this for about an hour then it froze and i got disconnected and when i came back it was back to the old crap and has been ever since again. I actually won like $3000 that 1 time .

But to me that proves they can pick and choose who they want to win . I really try to stay out of all of them but like you said once in awhile you break down and end up hating yourself for being stupid.

[Olemiss_Rebfan]

Online casino is so rigged if I win bets I lose quick in casino when I lose bets I seem to do better in casino... so yea rigger. Also have better luck on youwager casino. And no luck at heritage

[orchardhills]

I have found that the only way to win is play a very small amount of hands and quit. The software (my opinion only) will allow you to win to get you "hooked" then slowly take your money away. I have always stopped after 10-15 hands. I don't get rich but I don't lose either. On the occasions when i did play longer i always lost.

[Capybara]

Good stuff in here, Guys, thanks for your opinions and personal stories! Very helpful to hear what others' experiences have been.

[MaxShawn]

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[slayer14]

Once i sent an angry e-mail to DSI saying how bad their casino was and how they should be ashamed of how they take advantage of people. I got an e-mail back from them . This was a couple years back. I put in copies of ale hands . I thought the e-mail would either be an excuse of how fair they were and how they are regulated or maybe put a couple bucks in my account after seeing the obviously rigged hands.

Instead all it said was "What is your account number?"

So they do not put anything in the account. But the next time i broke down and went in there i all of a sudden started getting a fair game . I had this for about an hour then it froze and i got disconnected and when i came back it was back to the old crap and has been ever since again. I actually won like $3000 that 1 time .

But to me that proves they can pick and choose who they want to win . I really try to stay out of all of them but like you said once in awhile you break down and end up hating yourself for being stupid.

Catrobey you make so many casino rigged threads but you keep going back for more, why.

[captrobey]

Catrobey you make so many casino rigged threads but you keep going back for more, why.

Slayer you probably will find this hard to believe, but at one point a couple years back it was so bad i actually had my life partially ruined. The more i lost and the dealer kept getting the insane hands the more i kept depositing and getting screwed. I would do good at Sports Bets then lose it All to the damn Casinos.

I actually called a gamblers hotline and they told me they did not consider me to have a problem basically because i still had my car and home. I had to hit rock bottom then pulled myself away.

I still go on there but i have never been to that horrible point again . But yes i do still go on there at times. But believe it or not it is nowhere near as bad as it was 2 years back.

[5918mike]

I would ask why are you playing? If it's to make money you have to be disciplined and manage your money. If it's fun and you do it for entertainment, get professional help. One thing I learned a long time ago for myself, playing online casinos is boring and a time waster, but if I set my financial goals within the limits of the game and manage it properly some gains can be had, small and it's a grind but some profits is better than none.

[Ra77er]

I won 20k once playing blackjack on 5Dimes and somewhere in that same figure playing Hercules slots on DSI. Posted that winner on this forum somewhere. The only problem I have is I don't stop playing until the machine taps out, unfortunately my balance never has the same ideas.

[captrobey]

I would ask why are you playing? If it's to make money you have to be disciplined and manage your money. If it's fun and you do it for entertainment, get professional help. One thing I learned a long time ago for myself, playing online casinos is boring and a time waster, but if I set my financial goals within the limits of the game and manage it properly some gains can be had, small and it's a grind but some profits is better than none.

I wish i had a definite answer for why i play. Sometimes it is if i lose a tough game and i get mad and try to win that amount back. Or i have say 1960 and i figure i will just go in and get it to 2000 then you lose every hand losing everything. I have been better though staying out of them overall believe it or not.

[Optional]

I wish i had a definite answer for why i play. Sometimes it is if i lose a tough game and i get mad and try to win that amount back. Or i have say 1960 and i figure i will just go in and get it to 2000 then you lose every hand losing everything. I have been better though staying out of them overall believe it or not.

You crave the instant, fast and repeated 'thrill'.

Recognize it and see if you can find something else that does the same thing for you whenever you think about going to an online casino.

You're probably just bored or avoiding work or something else you dont want to do when the urge comes.

[Statman]

Great $$ maker for the casino. Would love to see the stats on payout ratios...

[jtoler]

Maybe you're being stubborn. Maybe its because you're pot invested, you know you've lost more than you've won and it makes you uneasy. The fact that you've won before provides the allure that you can win again and you can, but not more than you will further lose if you continue to play them. So why would you play these. If you had a program would you set it up that most people won? Think of it as slots payouts pretty set, some will win something, most will lose, its a program, man-made, specifically set to turn a profit for the issuer not you. If people typically won from it theyed know something was wrong with their man-made program and tweak or remove it.

[captrobey]

You crave the instant, fast and repeated 'thrill'.

Recognize it and see if you can find something else that does the same thing for you whenever you think about going to an online casino.

You're probably just bored or avoiding work or something else you dont want to do when the urge comes.

Sometimes yes i think if you get bored it can do that too . But most times i think it is when i deposit i figure i will go in there and just win a little to have more for sportsbetting but of course almost every time i lose it all. I know their rigged i have posted tons of sessions where you can see how unreal the sessions are. Like i said DSI does not even let me do that anymore because when i look to copy the hands nothing is there.

[jjgold]

Bet streaks only
Leave when they break

[Microphone]

Grind away, small amounts. Should you be lucky enough to win, still play by the same rules, no matter what your balance. Lots of hands or spins real quick, emotions take over your logic. You play slow and stick by your rules and you can grind out a profit.

Rigged? Sure. The upping the amount of the bet thing is something that has to be programmed in there. Heard it from too many people.

[Optional]

Sometimes yes i think if you get bored it can do that too . But most times i think it is when i deposit i figure i will go in there and just win a little to have more for sportsbetting but of course almost every time i lose it all. I know their rigged i have posted tons of sessions where you can see how unreal the sessions are. Like i said DSI does not even let me do that anymore because when i look to copy the hands nothing is there.

Sounds a bit backwards. You win at sports so maybe try thinking 'I can't play the slots until I have won some with sports first'. And that can give you a set limit too. Only your profit over the deposit amount can be played.

I hope you get it sorted. I know you've been posting about it for quite a while now.

[vividjohn45]

5 dimes casino is a rip off. You will never win. There are some online casinos you can win at. At least get one big cashout. But they will plug their leak post withdrawal.

[vividjohn45]

Grind away, small amounts. Should you be lucky enough to win, still play by the same rules, no matter what your balance. Lots of hands or spins real quick, emotions take over your logic. You play slow and stick by your rules and you can grind out a profit.

Rigged? Sure. The upping the amount of the bet thing is something that has to be programmed in there. Heard it from too many people.

Bovada blackjack has different settimgs. But if you try to increase your wager amount. The money is theirs. Some of your money all redy theirs or you wuldnt martingale

[jose21_us]

Do you go back because they offer you a bigger bonus when you deposit?

[5918mike]

If people typically won from it theyed know something was wrong with their man-made program and tweak or remove it.

But people don't typically win because the house has the advantage on the games, not the software. Too many people think individually as well, do you really think the casinos are looking at the individual account winners and losers and tweaking sessions when they are making millions consistently without having to. The online games have an even higher house edge than live or land based, they don't have to mess with it.

[flyingillini]

I enjoy all forms of gambling except Online casinos

[INVEGA MAN]

My question: why play a game you cant beat? doesn't make sense to me. you need a hobby

[5918mike]

My question: why play a game you cant beat? doesn't make sense to me. you need a hobby

It's the biggest con in the world, along with Las Vegas

[captrobey]

Sounds a bit backwards. You win at sports so maybe try thinking 'I can't play the slots until I have won some with sports first'. And that can give you a set limit too. Only your profit over the deposit amount can be played.

I hope you get it sorted. I know you've been posting about it for quite a while now.

Yea i agree i need to have a better mind set. I really have backed down as much as i used to do it though. But just seems like when i have a meltdown it is a bigger one then i get Ok again for awhile. Right now though it is my busy season in medicare so i have 100s of my clients to attend to plus all the appointments i am running . So that keeps me busy.

Right now i am sitting at the office waiting to do a seminar if anyone shows. Although i think noone will which is fine with me been a long day already been going since 8 AM. Almost 7 PM now and still an hour drive home .....

[krs]

I have lost more on online BJ than I care to think about. I'll start playing $5 hands and suddenly it's up to $100 and before long a little game of $5 BJ wipes out my balance. Then re-up and lose it again.

I have come to the point that I realize it's probably fixed but there are those times when you can win big (yes, I have won big but always given it all back). So, now I am at a point where I have stopped online BJ. I hope it lasts forever. Whenever I get the urge, I just think of the sick feeling I have when I have started to play $5 hands just to 'win a bit and then stop" and then chase losses with bigger hands and wind up losing it all.

What I am saying is: I don't play thinking that it is a fair game. I think that it is fixed but still allows me to win, and win big, sometimes. So maybe I can get that big win and stop forever. Except there's always the next time, and so on, and so on.

[dante1]

they are fixed, and if they aren't fixed it is almost impossible to win anyway.

here is what I know, basically know but can't prove. if the book/casino isn't certified by a reputable country they are more than likely fixed and your chances are near zero. However, you might have a tiny shot at a casino if it is run by lets say England or some other trustworthy country. I will buy into the idea that those casinos have a more difficult time to fix their machines because of their countries regulations and spot checks. It is something like casinos in NJ and Nevada, they are not fixed but still next to impossible to win at.

there was once a time many years ago, probably decades now when a player had a decent chance to win in video poker in Vegas and AC. in fact, hard core gamblers call it the golden age of video poker. but those days are gone, I had two good years at of all places Trump. If during that time you played perfect poker or near perfect you had a shot. those days I am sorry to say are gone and I completely lost my interest in playing video poker. once you get it in your mind you cannot win, you should be able to quit.

I forget his name but he was friends with JJgold and he actually had some good VP years too.

[Otters27]

Have dad to have all online casinos shut off. Even betpoints

[captrobey]

Holy Fing crap i just went on Sportbets casino i always used to play the bonus one but have really stayed away. For the 1st time i played the other version and i put in $50 twice just to see what happens. Ist $50 lost almost every hand and at one point dealer got BJ like 5 times in a row . Then deposited another $50 (Not a lot for me at all ) and i lost every single hand doing $5 a hand a bunch of then BJs and pulling 21 one way or another. Now it does not look like there is a way to even copy and paste my hands to show how insane this was. Not putting anything more in no point obviously no way to win.

[chipper]

Interesting and informative thread. Thanks.

[Martinr]

There are many documented cases of online casino software being rigged against the player.
This from The Wizard Of Odds regarding a case where a player went 560 hands of video poker without getting a hand better than 2 pair:

Assuming optimal strategy, the probability that any one hand is a two pair or less in that game is 89.02319%. The probability of going 560 hands without beating a two pair is 0.8902319560 = 1 in 18,977,313,106,520,400,000,000,000,000.


This is just one example of many. Roulette, Video Poker seem to be the most often complained about, but I can't see any reason why online blackjack would be exempt from rigged software.
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[bruceBRUCEbruce]

first thing I do if I join a new book is ask them to turn off/block my access to their casino
is like playing against the dealer that haunts Clark in Vegas Vacation, you'll never win!

[Microphone]

There are many documented cases of online casino software being rigged against the player.
This from The Wizard Of Odds regarding a case where a player went 560 hands of video poker without getting a hand better than 2 pair:

Assuming optimal strategy, the probability that any one hand is a two pair or less in that game is 89.02319%. The probability of going 560 hands without beating a two pair is 0.8902319560 = 1 in 18,977,313,106,520,400,000,000,000,000.


This is just one example of many. Roulette, Video Poker seem to be the most often complained about, but I can't see any reason why online blackjack would be exempt from rigged software.
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I lost any respect for the Wizard of Odds aka Michael Shackleford when he got into bed with 5 Dimes. Really??? He's going to give a fair audit while receiving a check from them? Right.

To ensure that you are getting the absolute highest payouts and fairness in all games, the Bonus Casino undergoes a monthly third party audit process in which it receives the Certified Fair Gambling's RTP Certification. In addition to the monthly audit, the Bonus Casino has also undergone an independent audit by Michael Shackleford of The Wizard of Odds Consulting, Inc.

[Martinr]

I lost any respect for the Wizard of Odds aka Michael Shackleford when he got into bed with 5 Dimes. Really??? He's going to give a fair audit while receiving a check from them? Right.

To ensure that you are getting the absolute highest payouts and fairness in all games, the Bonus Casino undergoes a monthly third party audit process in which it receives the Certified Fair Gambling's RTP Certification. In addition to the monthly audit, the Bonus Casino has also undergone an independent audit by Michael Shackleford of The Wizard of Odds Consulting, Inc.

5Dimes were using BLR software before then right? I guess they figured they should get a site like TWOO to review whatever software they changed to after BLR was found to be shady. I didn't realise they had done that.
Whenever I hear Shakleford talking I get the impression he's on the right side so I can only go by what I hear him say.
How do you know he was paid to audit the 5Dimes software? If he was, then no, I wouldn't be putting much faith in whatever he reported, but surely an audit like that would have to be done as an impartial and not for payment for it to have any credence? His website has a certain reputation as a kind of watchdog to uphold after all.
Would be interested to hear of any other details you know.

[Martinr]

Hang on. If the 5Dimes software was audited by "The Wizzard Of Odds Consulting. Inc" then it sounds like this is Shackleford's own consulting company, which could be a completely separate entity from The Wizard Of Odds website? If so, then maybe there is no conflict of interest in being paid to audit the software.
To me, Shackleford comes across as someone who is devoted to the mathematics of gambling. I would have thought that it would be in our best interests to have someone like that, who would be unlikely to fudge the figures, to check out the integrity of the software.