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  • nikossf
    SBR MVP
    • 03-02-10
    • 2217

    #1
    Tennis Fixed??? SAY IT AINT SO.........!!
    Tennis betting study suggests 23 pro matches a year could be fixed


    An average of 23 professional tennis matches could be fixed each year, according to a study that found suspicious patterns in three matches at Wimbledon.


    As reported by Bloomberg News, over 6,000 first round matches were analyzed on the men's and women's tour between 2011 and 2013, tracking betting market prices against the "correct" price determined by two predictive models. In 20 cases the study found the lines swing away from the model's price by between 16 and 29 percent.

    The most unusual line moves occurred in three first-round matches at Wimbledon in 2011 and 2012, as well as one at the 2012 London Olympics. The names of players involved in the match were not included.

    The study, written by Ryan Rodenberg, an assistant professor of Sports Law at Florida State University, and South Bend, Indiana-based professional tennis gambler Elihu Feustel, was published by the Journal of Prediction Markets.


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    Interesting to see
    Elihu Feustel mentioned here...
  • Sam Odom
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-30-05
    • 58063

    #2
    Old news... remember the Russian scandal from 6+/- yrs ago
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    • jjgold
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-20-05
      • 388179

      #3
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      • jtoler
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 12-17-13
        • 30967

        #4
        Dont worry about those kind of fixed matches, what's more important are the tanked matches which happen frequently, that's the same thing as fixed in my book even if the party involved doesnt have wagers on it.
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        • jjgold
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 07-20-05
          • 388179

          #5
          I'm sure some smaller matches are fixed but not a lot

          Other than betfair hard to get a lot of money down

          Pinnacle and matchbook are decent but not major


          Easy to find match fixing using betfair
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          • nikossf
            SBR MVP
            • 03-02-10
            • 2217

            #6
            Ever notice the sports which have higher tendencies to be fixed have lower limits as well....
            hmmmm... vegas knows how to make money..
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            • matt1216
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 10-27-11
              • 14683

              #7
              I'd say tanked is the same deal as fixed. 23 "noticed/documented"matches were fixed lol. I bet it's in the hundreds.
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              • brodie
                SBR MVP
                • 11-25-13
                • 2212

                #8
                there are about 23 fixes every couple weeks if not more. tennis is the easiest sport to fix
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                • daringly
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 08-10-05
                  • 114

                  #9
                  Originally posted by matt1216
                  I'd say tanked is the same deal as fixed. 23 "noticed/documented"matches were fixed lol. I bet it's in the hundreds.
                  23 per year is what you can detect using one method, before the match is played.
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                  • Plaza23
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 12-29-13
                    • 7392

                    #10
                    At some of these smaller tourneys where the prize money is low, couldnt a player make more money betting against themselves (especially in the 1st round), than attempting to win?
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                    • matt1216
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 10-27-11
                      • 14683

                      #11
                      There's a clear fix going on in the Thompson match right now... I'm fcked. Thompson serving up 3-0 3rd set gets broken twice back to 4-4 then he breaks Back to make it look legit. You look for the signature double faults serving for the match... Broken again wtf
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                      • matt1216
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 10-27-11
                        • 14683

                        #12
                        Just broke back Thompson serving 6-5 for the match.....
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                        • matt1216
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 10-27-11
                          • 14683

                          #13
                          Miracle hold for a 2-1 sets win. What a shit show
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                          • FoxMulder
                            SBR MVP
                            • 05-02-13
                            • 1139

                            #14
                            I think match fixing with or without the knowledge of the opponent is more common than people think. If they investigate challenger and ITF circuits, they'll find more suspicious patterns in some matches. It's difficult to prove though. If they are just investigating heavy volume bets, they are missing the point. I long suspected that some of the challenger players (e.g. Volandri, Dutra Silva) asking for their family and friends bet against them when they are heavy favorites and share the profit after they lose. There's no other way for some players to "make ends meet" as they put it in the article.
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                            • FoxMulder
                              SBR MVP
                              • 05-02-13
                              • 1139

                              #15
                              By the way I believe most of the abnormal swings in said tournaments are directly related with player talent rather than fixing.
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                              • Optional
                                Administrator
                                • 06-10-10
                                • 61753

                                #16
                                Originally posted by daringly
                                23 per year is what you can detect using one method, before the match is played.
                                Rosol v Dodig at Wimbledon '12?
                                .
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                                • Hardcoar
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 02-17-13
                                  • 15606

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by matt1216
                                  There's a clear fix going on in the Thompson match right now... I'm fcked. Thompson serving up 3-0 3rd set gets broken twice back to 4-4 then he breaks Back to make it look legit. You look for the signature double faults serving for the match... Broken again wtf
                                  How is this a clear fix? Is there any evidence whatsoever to even suggest a fix?
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                                  • matt1216
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 10-27-11
                                    • 14683

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Hardcoar
                                    How is this a clear fix? Is there any evidence whatsoever to even suggest a fix?
                                    You know it's hard to find real evidence for any fix, but when they take the match off the market at 90% of the books, wouldn't it suggest something is up?

                                    ex) take a look at who Sjsling played this morning. 0-6 6-0 set? Let's be real here
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                                    • HatersGonnaHate
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 09-10-12
                                      • 876

                                      #19
                                      i hate when people whine about matches/games being fixed. If they are or they are not who cares. All part of the game. If you are that worried about it then you probably shouldnt bet on it. Collapses happen...rallies happen...lack of effort happens...fixes i am sure they happen as well but its all part of the game. When you wake up in the morning do you feel excellent and ready to go everyday. I know some days i feel terrible and i am sure these players have those days as well and come out flat/lack of effort.
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                                      • Hardcoar
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 02-17-13
                                        • 15606

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by matt1216
                                        You know it's hard to find real evidence for any fix, but when they take the match off the market at 90% of the books, wouldn't it suggest something is up?

                                        ex) take a look at who Sjsling played this morning. 0-6 6-0 set? Let's be real here
                                        No. I know that on the contrary it is easy to find real evidence for a lot of fixes.

                                        If your statement is actually somewhat true, it might suggest something is up indeed. It could also be caused by lack of updates, various delays and injury concern (which are all far more likely than a fix).


                                        Keep in mind though, I'm not saying it was no fix either.
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                                        • PharaohUB
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 01-23-07
                                          • 4865

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by nikossf
                                          Tennis betting study suggests 23 pro matches a year could be fixed


                                          An average of 23 professional tennis matches could be fixed each year, according to a study that found suspicious patterns in three matches at Wimbledon.


                                          As reported by Bloomberg News, over 6,000 first round matches were analyzed on the men's and women's tour between 2011 and 2013, tracking betting market prices against the "correct" price determined by two predictive models. In 20 cases the study found the lines swing away from the model's price by between 16 and 29 percent.

                                          The most unusual line moves occurred in three first-round matches at Wimbledon in 2011 and 2012, as well as one at the 2012 London Olympics. The names of players involved in the match were not included.

                                          The study, written by Ryan Rodenberg, an assistant professor of Sports Law at Florida State University, and South Bend, Indiana-based professional tennis gambler Elihu Feustel, was published by the Journal of Prediction Markets.


                                          Across the street Covers


                                          Interesting to see
                                          Elihu Feustel mentioned here...
                                          This could also just mean that injury information was leaked to a few sources, but not to all, and some people benefited from it. It doesn't mean there was match fixing by the players themselves. I buy the fixing in challenge level events, and maybe some ATP. But Wimbledon. Hell no. These guys aren't losing a chance at losing the money or a losing a match at wimbledon
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                                          • shari91
                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                            • 02-23-10
                                            • 32661

                                            #22
                                            23 fixes in a year. Cute if you were Stevie Wonder and/or never watched a tennis match.

                                            daringly, I realise you only started to bet tennis less than two years ago - although somehow that's now made you a pro tennis gambler haha - but you can do better than this. Seriously wtf is this rubbish. If your "one method" can only detect 23 a year and you've now self titled yourself a pro tennis gambler, then I suggest you may be involved in the wrong sport ffs.
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                                            • MoMoneyMoVaughn
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 05-08-14
                                              • 14988

                                              #23
                                              FLORIDA STATE? Cmon.
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                                              • MoMoneyMoVaughn
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 05-08-14
                                                • 14988

                                                #24
                                                Not the place to gather data from when making your decisions. This could have been Jameis Winston's reasearch.

                                                Before or after he stole those Sea Cucumbers? We will never know.

                                                (double post. had to roll with it.)
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                                                • matt1216
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 10-27-11
                                                  • 14683

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Hardcoar
                                                  No. I know that on the contrary it is easy to find real evidence for a lot of fixes.

                                                  If your statement is actually somewhat true, it might suggest something is up indeed. It could also be caused by lack of updates, various delays and injury concern (which are all far more likely than a fix).


                                                  Keep in mind though, I'm not saying it was no fix either.
                                                  Yeah I agree with the injury stand point as well. I didn't look at it that way.
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                                                  • SirtySree
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 12-19-13
                                                    • 2370

                                                    #26
                                                    If you lose a bet, the match is 100% fixed. The gamblers mentality.
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                                                    • daringly
                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                      • 08-10-05
                                                      • 114

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by shari91
                                                      23 fixes in a year. Cute if you were Stevie Wonder and/or never watched a tennis match.

                                                      daringly, I realise you only started to bet tennis less than two years ago - although somehow that's now made you a pro tennis gambler haha - but you can do better than this. Seriously wtf is this rubbish. If your "one method" can only detect 23 a year and you've now self titled yourself a pro tennis gambler, then I suggest you may be involved in the wrong sport ffs.
                                                      Hope things are treating you well. How many fixed matches can you ID with a single method? I haven't heard of any peer-reviewed methods coming close to 23/year before the matches are played. There are obviously many more fixes/tankings, but each group has a different method. The lowest-hanging fruit (which my paper attacked) looked at obvious fixes/tanking where only a single player was required, and he/his consortium simply bet significantly on his opponent before the match began.
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                                                      • JAJDJGA
                                                        Restricted User
                                                        • 08-23-14
                                                        • 1

                                                        #28
                                                        SHARI, Elihu is a pro. He has a huge bankroll and a good ROI. You clearly did not understand the picture here. They used one method and addressed the obvious fixes according to that method. You don't even understand the method and the context. Read his reply to you at least 15 times and maybe you will eventually see the light.
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                                                        • Al Masters
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 04-29-06
                                                          • 6940

                                                          #29
                                                          Trick is to be on the right side of the fix!
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                                                          • Al Masters
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 04-29-06
                                                            • 6940

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by jjgold

                                                            Easy to find match fixing using betfair

                                                            Can you find me one in the near future?
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                                                            • cankid
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 08-22-08
                                                              • 7229

                                                              #31
                                                              I think its more
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                                                              • Big Bear
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 11-01-11
                                                                • 43253

                                                                #32
                                                                all sports are fixed to some degree
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                                                                • sneakerhead
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 07-14-10
                                                                  • 7727

                                                                  #33
                                                                  It aint so!
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                                                                  • Snowball
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                                                                    • 11-15-09
                                                                    • 30058

                                                                    #34
                                                                    I think there's probably 5-10 thrown matches per week
                                                                    more or less.. it's common but not so prevalent that it should be
                                                                    the top thing to worry about.. we still have to guard against it as
                                                                    much as possible, it's a contingency similiar to wind on outdoor
                                                                    matches.. wind can really throw off a favorite. I think there are certain
                                                                    types of players much more likely to throw matches for money..

                                                                    More Likely:
                                                                    1) established players who have peaked professionally.. on the downslide
                                                                    but still receive favoritism by oddsmakers. The Challenger/ATP combo
                                                                    player who only has mediocre chances to win tournaments.
                                                                    2) early-mid round matches more likely to be thrown than quarters/semi's
                                                                    because by the time quarters arrive player can win big enough prize money.
                                                                    3) men more likely to throw than women.. they have more responsibility and
                                                                    family pressures on them.. also, men usually have more connections with the
                                                                    seedier side of sports, and gambling, or organized crime.
                                                                    4) over 25's... more likely to have the financial pressures, connections, and
                                                                    realistic expectations for their careers than teenagers/early 20s who still "believe".
                                                                    5) asians less likely.. generally they are cleaner than caucasians. most asians
                                                                    have a strong work ethic and personal morals that wouldn't allow them to think about
                                                                    throwing a match unless dire circumstances demand it. blacks also less likely than
                                                                    caucasians due to pressures on them to be visible stars in tennis for the black community. but this doesn't mean older, jaded blacks who have peaked won't throw, for example Donald Young.

                                                                    thus, safeguards against losing due to thrown match include
                                                                    - player with realistic chance to win tournament.
                                                                    - later rounds in tournaments with good prize
                                                                    - player hasn't peaked in career
                                                                    - player is social media whore indicating big ego
                                                                    - asians
                                                                    - youth
                                                                    - win/lose streaks, situational or geographic motivation
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                                                                    • tommygun
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 07-01-10
                                                                      • 2239

                                                                      #35
                                                                      def fixes on the challenger and itf circuits, those players make bugger all money
                                                                      BETTING EXCHANGES, easy money.

                                                                      Soccer Tipping: 5-0-1
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