is lebron james top 5 of all time already

[vio_br]

It wasnt lebron? Then who?

It was a team effort more than it was only Lebron's effort. He had one astonishing game with Detroit (i think it was the 5th) but to say that he was the only one who carried the team in the final is not entirely correct.
If it was only Lebron's effort taking them in the final, they should have repeat the success the years after based on the fact that Lebron improved his game.

[brooks85]

I hate Kobe but he has a way better resume than Lebron.

Lebron is 2-2 in the finals. Jordan was 6-0.

Also, Jordan didn't have to court two All-Stars to struggle to go 2-1 in the Finals.

Jordan made everyone on the Bulls better. Pipped was a good player but Jordan made him who he was.

Lebron isn't done. This conversation would be better served at the end of his career.

A big negative. I know Jordan wasn't on the team but did you happen to watch the Bulls when Jordan was on his hiatus?

[You mad bro]

Eddy = idiot

[Ted Sheckler]

When Jordan left the bulls
55-27
47-35
Lost in Conf Semis both years.

When Lebron left Cavs
19-63


Pretty easy to determine which team had the better supporting cast when you take out the 2 of the greatest.

[brewski]

i personally have considered him to be the best since he was in cleveland. of course he certainly wasn't accomplished enough to make most people's list at that point, but i consider talent to be much more important than championships, particularly in a team sport. although i'm glad he got a few to help validate his career for people who put too much stock in that. there has never been a guy that can successfully play and dominate 1-4 and could a serviceable job against most 5's. his all around game is unmatched. some guys might be a better shooter, passer, etc. but when you add it all up, it's not that close. he beats any player one on one and improves a team if inserted more so than any other player imo. not only is he the best bball player imo he is the best all around athlete as well. his size, speed, quickness, etc is something we have never seen before and will most likely never see again. he could have been the best at whatever sport he dedicated himself too. compare him physically to the best in other sports. just imagine the mma fighter, tennis player, golfer, baseball player, any position in football aside from o-line or DT, etc. he could have been. it's fun to think about. maybe i'm just caught up the in the present but that's i how i feel. bash away. lol.

edit: sorry, didnt think i wrote that much.

[raiders72001]

Michael Jordan never looked scared in the playoffs. LeBron disappeared in the 4th quarter in all of the final games against Dallas. LeBron has all the physical attributes but doesn't have the heart. Jordan just said give me the ball and get out of the way during crunch time. . It didn't matter if he was double or triple teamed. Jordan once AVERAGED 43.7 points in a playoff series.

[raiders72001]

The only people that think LeBron is better than Jordan are the ones that never watched Jordan play.

[BigBanker]

so some people are saying jordan had heart and sometimes lebron hasnt but then when both are playing there best then lebron must be better in a single game so then thats why the rings/championship debate comes up but by doing that means lebron is a better player just doesnt have the rings but if he does overtake jordan in rings championships then no one can say jordan was better?

[FGSoprano]

His true athletic form alone will be the birth of one of the greatest basketball players of all time. Top 5 right now? No. Top 5 in 5 years? Probably.

[raiders72001]

so some people are saying jordan had heart and sometimes lebron hasnt but then when both are playing there best then lebron must be better in a single game so then thats why the rings/championship debate comes up but by doing that means lebron is a better player just doesnt have the rings but if he does overtake jordan in rings championships then no one can say jordan was better?

LeBron isn't better in single games or series. Then you have to add that Jordan played better defense. Not only are the defensive stats better for Jordan, LeBron cheats a lot and his player is able to score by cutting to the hoop or just driving around LeBron.

[Seaweed]

Lebron is great on D

[Ted Sheckler]

Lebron is great on D

[raiders72001]

LeBron is great on D, Jordan is better. There's a reason for defensive player of the year and leading the league in steals 3 years. LeBron is great on offense, Jordan better.

More than 1.1 blocks/gm. Jordan 3 times, LeBron 0
More than 2 steals/gm. Jordan 9 times, LeBron 0.
More than 30.1 pts/gm. Jordan 8 times, LeBron 0.
Played 82 games. Jordan 9 times, LeBron 0.

[Menses]

in 2006-2007 it wasn't Lebron who carried the team in the final, he wasn't the leader of the team. While lebron evolved, he never made it back in the final with Cleveland. He had to move to Miami in order to win something. So all the talk about lebron(at 22) taking Cleveland to the final is not true.

LOL...Actually it is...he took them to the finals and lost...stop trying to nullify that accomplishment....nobody dead or alive could have done it...not that roster...

[Menses]

Michael Jordan never looked scared in the playoffs. LeBron disappeared in the 4th quarter in all of the final games against Dallas. LeBron has all the physical attributes but doesn't have the heart. Jordan just said give me the ball and get out of the way during crunch time. . It didn't matter if he was double or triple teamed. Jordan once AVERAGED 43.7 points in a playoff series.

You obviously did not watch the Piston Bulls series of 89 and 90...Jordan and Pippen were SHOOK...Jordan did not win rings until after Bird and Magic and Isiah were all hurt or out of the league...remember that...

[raiders72001]

You obviously did not watch the Piston Bulls series of 89 and 90...Jordan and Pippen were SHOOK...Jordan did not win rings until after Bird and Magic and Isiah were all hurt or out of the league...remember that...

LOL. You obviously never heard of the Jordan rules or watched basketball in the 80s/90s. Jordan was knocked down by 2 and 3 players every time he drove. Every foul would have been flagrant today.

[raiders72001]

Jordan rules by Detroit

If Jordan brings the ball up the court, put another defender on him; if he doesn't pass out of the double team, put a third defender on him. Now, it might be suggested, a third rule has been added: If the first two rules fail, knock him down.

[raiders72001]

LeBron 7 points on 2-10.

Jordan NEVER had that bad of a game in his whole career.

Consecutive games scoring 10 or more points: 866, March 25, 1986 to December 26, 2001^[18][19]

• 840 with the Chicago Bulls; 26 with the Washington Wizards
• Jordan failed to score in double digits only once as a Bull (8 points in only 16 minutes of play on March 22, 1986 vs. the Cleveland Cavaliers, his fifth game upon returning from a broken foot).

[nelsonrc24]

LeBron 7 points on 2-10.

Jordan NEVER had that bad of a game in his whole career.

Too much hate. You were dying for this to happen.

[Eddy Munny]

LeBron 7 points on 2-10.

Jordan NEVER had that bad of a game in his whole career.

Were you expecting him to score from the bench?

[raiders72001]

Were you expecting him to score from the bench?

Excuses and he was 2 for 10. In 15 years you think that Jordan never got in foul trouble?

[jjgold]

Tonight's performance was pathetic just from tonight he cannot be mentioned

[raiders72001]

This isn't a first for LeBron. He was once 2 for 18 in the playoffs against Boston.

[dlunc3]

Tonight's performance was pathetic just from tonight he cannot be mentioned

Kobe has had just as bad. Should he also not be mentioned?

[raiders72001]

blowing in LeBron's ear

https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/thumb/854834656.gif?1401331764

[vio_br]

LOL...Actually it is...he took them to the finals and lost...stop trying to nullify that accomplishment....nobody dead or alive could have done it...not that roster...

Ok, then why didn't he take them in the finals the years after? Based on what you say Lebron best year was 2006-2007, after that he could not take Cleveland to the final anymore.
Lebron has a very big advantage by playing in the EC. If he would have played in WC he would have had a much, much stronger competition and we wouldn't talk about him being in the top5. But when u play in a league with poor teams your skills are seen greater than they really are.

[raydog]

school the youngsters, raiders... 2/10... 3 turnovers... 7pts... goat?

[nelsonrc24]

According to your fukking dumb logic Ronaldo couldnt be considered one of the best ever, then

I penetrating hate this banana logic haters.

"Oh he had a bad game, he cant be in top 5 of all time"..."but he played DOZENS"...."i dont care fukk lebron he sucks, josh smith is better"

[jjgold]

LeBron has to win at least 4 titles to get into the top five

He lacks the ultimate killer instinct

No way they lose last night if he had that Jordan in him

[raydog]

^^^ last nights game has nothing to do with the fact that lebron will never be in jordans league... its just another example, on the very long list, of the difference in talent and mindset between the two players...

[raydog]

LeBron has to win at least 4 titles to get into the top five

He lacks the ultimate killer instinct

No way they lose last night if he had that Jordan in him

lebron has to have 4-5 current/previous All-Stars surrounding him in order to win... the comparisons are ridiculous, to say the least

[jjgold]

I will rank him in the top five all-around players

His story is not over yet

[SharkAA]

Michael Jordan never looked scared in the playoffs. LeBron disappeared in the 4th quarter in all of the final games against Dallas. LeBron has all the physical attributes but doesn't have the heart. Jordan just said give me the ball and get out of the way during crunch time. . It didn't matter if he was double or triple teamed. Jordan once AVERAGED 43.7 points in a playoff series.

The only people that think LeBron is better than Jordan are the ones that never watched Jordan play.

If you saw Jordan play, then you know you can't compare these 2 guys. Different playing styles obviously.

[Big Bear]

fantasy forum this shit.

da fukk does this gotta do with gambling?

last i checked this wasnt a prop at the casino.

[Ted Sheckler]

lebron has to have 4-5 current/previous All-Stars surrounding him in order to win... the comparisons are ridiculous, to say the least

Like I posted earlier.

When Jordan left the bulls, they went
55-27
47-35

When Lebron left Cleveland, they went
19-63

Would Jordan have won those rings without his mate Pippen? Or would it of just been like the situation in Cleveland with Lebron?

To me Jordan had the better surrounding team...And that guy Pippen who could guard anyone and help Jordan at times, so he didn't have to bust his ass on both ends of the court. Although I'm sure Jordan still guarded tough guys. Lebron not playing last night, and George surpasses his high scoring of the series by 13 points.