Well, You Can't Say I Didn't Try

[MonkeyF0cker]

Betting stale lines proves nothing, bonehead. Again, how hard is it to make money on stocks when you can buy them at 4PM at 9AM prices? It wouldn't even draw my interest. No matter who won, it wouldn't prove a thing.

[Nicky Santoro]

LT agreed to the stale line saying "I'd be foolish not to accept".... then someone must've PM'd and told him it wasn't a good idea cause he backed out 5 mins later.

It's obvious these idiots backed the wrong guy and don't want him to embarrass them by being trounced.

exactly what i thought Dags.. dags, i took a good look at LT's picks and he has nothing.. NOTHING.. he chases steam all day after the adjusted #.. lol.. he's not a bettor, he's a follower. and followers go down.. his hockey picks are all at a bad #.. i have yet to see him bet one hockey game at a good price.

monkey, this guy has nothing on me.. i would school him..monkey, you know deep down i'd beat him.. i know you do.. and i know rjt knows too. he's a steam chaser and bets shit lines in hockey.. monkey, you know the kid still has 5 dimes as a book, doesn't that tell you something man.. lol..

come on boys, this is a joke.. i am getting tired of this.. i will not waste 7 months of my time for 2k UNLESS he raises the stakes to 5k and follows my 3 conditions.. i dont want any aggravation anymore.

[onthewhat]

This is based on a one game sample size where he didn't even get the best number (it was +185)?

I'm pretty sure I've figured out Nicky's strategy to fool you all into thinking he is so amazing at always getting the best number:

1. Check lines during the day.
2. Wait until game time.
3. Find a game or two where it's at the best number it's been at since opener.
4. Post that as a bet.

However, there is a major problem with this strategy. If closing lines are efficient, like Nicky claims they are ("beating the closing number is all that matters"), then using that strategy he is simply paying the vig and will be a long term loser despite getting the best number.

Matchy was +185. They couldn't use Matchy lines. Plus you have to pay commission if you win, so you get like +182 or +183 there after its all over...

[jjgold]

Pros bet stale numbers

[l7ustin]

You know at first I sided with Nicky because LT was whining about something stupid but now...

Nicky you are being ridiculous. The rules are better now and you are being hardheaded.

Stale lines prove NOTHING.

Use a trusted middle party to settle disputes and make better rules. Check, check.

This is only turning into so much drama because you 2 are turning into so much drama.

If either of you don't want the competition just say i dont want to do it quit acting like little bitches

[MonkeyF0cker]

That was my point yesterday, dj. He claimed to know the line on EDM/NYR was going to close at +185 EDM yet didn't bet NYR in the -160's. He's full of it and him wanting stale lines is further proof...

[l7ustin]

Just play for 2k its more about pride than the money anyways. You are looking like the chicken Nicky.

[daggerkobe]

This is based on a one game sample size where he didn't even get the best number (it was +185)?

Did you even bother to read the contest rules? +185 was at Matchbook... which wasn't one of the three allowed by LT since he doesn't have an account set up there. Nicky got the best line at the books allowed. Please don't become a lawyer or an English teacher.... you'd go broke.

[Nicky Santoro]

Matchy was +185. They couldn't use Matchy lines. Plus you have to pay commission if you win, so you get like +182 or +183 there after its all over...

onner, dont even listen to these guys.. cant' you see they are all his clan..

first of all donny.. it closed at +181 at matchy, which is +177 after commish.. LOL.. secondly, oly closed at +160.. i got highest price on the globe, just like all my games i bet on.. that EDM game wasn't even my strongest by far.. and no, i don't alwys wait on closers.. i only do this when i know the general public will pour in on other side and i know it is overpriced, so i wait.. and bang it out, like my +183 at pinny.. the avg price people had on NYR was +165..

donny, if i would lose this way in long haul, why have i been betting huge volume every night, like 26 sides and totals for big for 25 yrs, and still not bankrupt? donny, this is my profession.. donny, it's obvious you are a part of the LT clan, like monkeyfag too..

donny, i would blow you away too in a contest. donny, why not have a contest vs me for 5k.. i'd love it..

[MonkeyF0cker]

Pros bet stale numbers

They are live, not painted. Quit arguing semantics.

[donjuan]

That was my point yesterday, dj. He claimed to know the line on EDM/NYR was going to close at +185 EDM yet didn't bet NYR in the -160's. He's full of it and him wanting stale lines is further proof...

Yeah, I think we are on the same page here.

[donjuan]

first of all donny.. it closed at +181 at matchy, which is +177 after commish.. LOL.. secondly, oly closed at +160.. i got highest price on the globe, just like all my games i bet on.. that EDM game wasn't even my strongest by far.. and no, i don't alwys wait on closers.. i only do this when i know the general public will pour in on other side and i know it is overpriced, so i wait.. and bang it out, like my +183 at pinny.. the avg price people had on NYR was +165..

You claim markets are efficient and that all that matters is getting a better price than close. This completely violates that belief. As well, the thought that Olympic is more efficient than Pinnacle for hockey is laughable.

donny, i would blow you away too in a contest. donny, why not have a contest vs me for 5k.. i'd love it..

Ever heard of time value of money?

[MonkeyF0cker]

There is no clan, Nicky. This is simply about what rules are better suited to judging handicapping ability. Get over yourself. You are clearly trying to avoid live lines for a reason.

[LT Profits]

You know at first I sided with Nicky because LT was whining about something stupid but now...

Nicky you are being ridiculous. The rules are better now and you are being hardheaded.

Stale lines prove NOTHING.

Use a trusted middle party to settle disputes and make better rules. Check, check.

This is only turning into so much drama because you 2 are turning into so much drama.

If either of you don't want the competition just say i dont want to do it quit acting like little bitches

I DO want this competition in the worst way, just to have the pleasure of beating him...with live lines.

My latest rules are more than fair, yet he is refusing. What else can I do?

[LT Profits]

exactly what i thought Dags.. dags, i took a good look at LT's picks and he has nothing.. NOTHING.. he chases steam all day after the adjusted #.. lol.. he's not a bettor, he's a follower. and followers go down.. his hockey picks are all at a bad #.. i have yet to see him bet one hockey game at a good price.

monkey, this guy has nothing on me.. i would school him..monkey, you know deep down i'd beat him.. i know you do.. and i know rjt knows too. he's a steam chaser and bets shit lines in hockey.. monkey, you know the kid still has 5 dimes as a book, doesn't that tell you something man.. lol..

come on boys, this is a joke.. i am getting tired of this.. i will not waste 7 months of my time for 2k UNLESS he raises the stakes to 5k and follows my 3 conditions.. i dont want any aggravation anymore.

You have no clue. I beat the closing number by 2.5 and by 1 point with my two contest plays on Monday. That should be everyone's goal, as anyone that beats the closing number consistently is a winner.

[donjuan]

This is based on a one game sample size where he didn't even get the best number (it was +185)?

Did you even bother to read the contest rules? +185 was at Matchbook...

I was under the impression that it moved to +185 at Pinnacle after Nicky posted. If this is not correct, than I retract that part of that post. The rest of the post still stands though.

And LOL at you and Onthewhat nit-picking a fairly irrelevant part of that post and ignoring the main point.

[jjgold]

What is difference with stale numbers added?

Both can do it

[Nicky Santoro]

donny,

you might have just answered everything and ended all discussions now.. you finally said something intelligent.. the value of time and money..

boys, listen carefully.. i spend 18 hrs a day staring at lines waiting for right time to bet.. waiting for a phone call.. making calls,,calling up locals.. etc.. now by me having to be on sbr to type in bets before 705 pm is fukking up royally my job.. it is slowing me down badly.. and i will end up costing myself thousands upon thousands with the 400 extra hrs of work for me.. i need to focus.. and all this for 2k..lol lol.. tack on the LT arguments everyday, and the aggravations and accusations.. and you will all see what i see.. FORGET IT.. not even 5k is worth it for me.. i swear, it's not.. i already cost myself 2k for the caps game..

LT bets 50 bucks a game.. i dont... this is fun for him and keep him busy. the kid posts his plays eveyrday looking for love from posters. I DONT.. i am a busy man.. this is my living. i dont need this shit in my life. i have never entered a contest or posted plays in 10 yrs.. ask jjgold..

i am sure you all understand.. and this LT ruined it all for me when he accused me and tossed insults at me. is this all worth it.. HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

good night and lets close this discussion for good. I need to shop for lines. i am already losing money by posting this.

[daggerkobe]

And LOL at you and Onthewhat nit-picking a fairly irrelevant part of that post and ignoring the main point.

Your "main" part is irrevelant because it was based wholely on you not knowing the contest rules.


READ THE RULES BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH... may help you looking like an ass all the time.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Big surprise. He chickens out.

[Nicky Santoro]

What is difference with stale numbers added?

Both can do it

thank you , jj.. it's fair for both, and trust me jj, i dont even want to do this.. it cuts off my work time alot and costs me big $$$$$$$$$... and all this for 2k.. or less than 10 bucks a day if i win.. which i will win btw..

donny, it NEVER went to +185 ever.. dont listen to monkey fag.. closed at +177 at matchy after vig and closed at +160 to +170 everywhere else..

[tacomax]

Good point, Nicky. This contest is losing you money, Nicky. You're too much of a pro, Nicky. Don't spend time doing anything that stops you making money, Nicky. Please please please stop posting at SBR, Nicky.

[LT Profits]

What is difference with stale numbers added?

Both can do it

Because it wouldn't prove anything. Nicky claims to always get the best number betting late, and I think it is easier to beat the closing number, which is all I care about, by betting early. This contrast in styles is what would have made this contest great.

Also, as Nicky correctly pointed, using stale lines would result in a bunch of common plays.

[jjgold]

I am overturning the rule

Stale Numbers will count

[MonkeyF0cker]

And LOL at you and Onthewhat nit-picking a fairly irrelevant part of that post and ignoring the main point.

Your "main" part is irrevelant because it was based wholely on you not knowing the contest rules.


READ THE RULES BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH... may help you looking like an ass all the time.

EDM closed at +185 on Pinnacle yesterday. Not Matchbook. Nicky didn't even get the best number on the book he bet with and one that WAS included in the contest. You're the one that's wrong. Keep trying.

[jjgold]

Common plays are ok

Lets get this going, all aspects of sportsbetting should be included in contest

[daggerkobe]

Because it wouldn't prove anything. Nicky claims to always get the best number betting late, and I think it is easier to beat the closing number, which is all I care about, by betting early. This contrast in styles is what would have made this contest great.

Also, as Nicky correctly pointed, using stale lines would result in a bunch of common plays.

You bet stale numbers in SBR contests all the time. So how is this different?

[daggerkobe]

EDM closed at +185 on Pinnacle yesterday. Not Matchbook. Nicky didn't even get the best number on the book he bet with and one that WAS included in the contest. You're the one that's wrong. Keep trying.

Go back to your underaged girls... you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

[Nicky Santoro]

EDM closed at +185 on Pinnacle yesterday. Not Matchbook. Nicky didn't even get the best number on the book he bet with and one that WAS included in the contest. You're the one that's wrong. Keep trying.

how much you wanna bet edm didn't close at +185 at matchy or pinny.. i'll bet whatever you want and send wsex the money.. monkeyfag, you have no clue what you are talking about.. you might be one of the least knowledgeble sports bettor at sbr, i swear. you are just a wannabe gambler trying to fit in with the big boys, but i have news for you monkeyfag, YOU DONT.. you are a fukkin square. it's too obvious.. nothing you ever said in this forum made sense. you are clueless man.. you really are.. you know nothign about gambling.. NOTHING.. but you want to pretend you do.. lol

[tacomax]

i swear. you are just a wannabe gambler trying to fit in with the big boys

Ironic post of the week by a mile.

[l7ustin]

donny,

you might have just answered everything and ended all discussions now.. you finally said something intelligent.. the value of time and money..

boys, listen carefully.. i spend 18 hrs a day staring at lines waiting for right time to bet.. waiting for a phone call.. making calls,,calling up locals.. etc.. now by me having to be on sbr to type in bets before 705 pm is fukking up royally my job.. it is slowing me down badly.. and i will end up costing myself thousands upon thousands with the 400 extra hrs of work for me.. i need to focus.. and all this for 2k..lol lol.. tack on the LT arguments everyday, and the aggravations and accusations.. and you will all see what i see.. FORGET IT.. not even 5k is worth it for me.. i swear, it's not.. i already cost myself 2k for the caps game..

LT bets 50 bucks a game.. i dont... this is fun for him and keep him busy. the kid posts his plays eveyrday looking for love from posters. I DONT.. i am a busy man.. this is my living. i dont need this shit in my life. i have never entered a contest or posted plays in 10 yrs.. ask jjgold..

i am sure you all understand.. and this LT ruined it all for me when he accused me and tossed insults at me. is this all worth it.. HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

good night and lets close this discussion for good. I need to shop for lines. i am already losing money by posting this.

Fair enough Nicky, finally an answer that contains substance and makes sense....

Totally understandable.

2 things though: 1) its not an ultimate handicapping contest using stale lines but it STILL is a contest....

2) Nicky gave a pretty good reason to use stale lines to save him time and money. Save all the insults this leaves only one solution: Stale lines or NO CONTEST.

Pretty easy choices here, either LT accepts with stale lines or he doesnt.

[daggerkobe]

But, but, the "pro," who never posts a play, bets 70 games a day.... (reality: spends all day at the KENO pit)

[daggerkobe]

Fair enough Nicky, finally an answer that contains substance and makes sense....

Totally understandable.

2 things though: 1) its not an ultimate handicapping contest using stale lines but it STILL is a contest....

2) Nicky gave a pretty good reason to use stale lines to save him time and money. Save all the insults this leaves only one solution: Stale lines or NO CONTEST.

Pretty easy choices here, either LT accepts with LT or he doesnt.

He accepted. Then he rescinded. Then accepted. Then rescinded. Then accepted. Then rescinded. Then accepted. Then rescinded.

[HedgeHog]

This is based on a one game sample size where he didn't even get the best number (it was +185)?

Did you even bother to read the contest rules? +185 was at Matchbook... which wasn't one of the three allowed by LT since he doesn't have an account set up there. Nicky got the best line at the books allowed. Please don't become a lawyer or an English teacher.... you'd go broke.

+185 at MB is not a "true" line. After the 2% win vig, you're only collecting +181.3---that is MB's true line for a +185 play.

[Nicky Santoro]

thanks for understanding dusty.. read dusty's post and lets end this thing.. i am getting bored now.

dags, he accepted, then changed his mind.. this has been LT from the start. he's a 50 dollar bettor that chases steam.. i would humiliate this bum..

i dont even want to do the stale line contest, but i will just to make him happy.. but i dont want no freakin arguments, which i am sure there wont be if we do this.