Well, You Can't Say I Didn't Try

[LT Profits]

Looks like contest is officially off as Nicky refuses to back down from stale lines, which would prove nothing and I am sure most people do not want to see.

Oh well, on to the games.

[Nicky Santoro]

[Posted by LT Profits]

The only way opening vs closing will work is if we choose ONE book (Pinny?), but why would you want to give me that big an edge? If you are serious, I would be a fool not to accept].







Then i came back and agreed and told him i'm in.. and i would have my money at wsex right now..


Then he came back and said NO.. he makes offer, then he re negs.lol


I refuse to go through this crap again with this guy.. he showed me his true colors.. this will be one big argument for 7 months.. everyday.. i guarantee you this.. i know LT..

LT, if you want me to accept, follow my 3 conditions, including raising it to 5k, and I AM IN..

if not, do NOT waste my time.. i will NOT go back to that same shit again.. there's nothing in it for me. i can make more by raising my bets. i dont need this 2k for 7 months of aggravation..

IF you don't accept the stale lines deal. forget it.. Stale lines is fair because yes, we will both end up with profit, but it will be good to see who will end up with more units won.. and most important, no more discrepancies..

LET ME KNOW.. if you dont accept, it's over.. and good luck.

[VegasDave]

I just don't understand why Nicky wants stale lines...

no one can consistenly keep picking winners, it's just impossible. everything at the end always always always evens out, trust me.. these lines are so right on, that no matter if you were even JESUS CHRIST, you'll end up at 50%..

no such thing as a guy that can predict games.. nothing against you, but no one can. this stuff gets to people's heads thinking they really know something cause they went 5-0 yesterday and 12-2 last week.. they know squat..

it will all even out at the end.. TRUST ME..

i challenge everyone here, including you, jj cole to do this..

every night for the 8 or so games you like, bet them.. then for each of the 8 games, flip a coin.. heads is fav, tails is dog.. after 500 bets, i will bet you all that the coin will have a better or same record as all of you posters' picks..

try it and see..and you will see i am right..in sports gambling, the more you know.. the less successful you are... don't ever forget those words..

THE MORE YOU KNOW...... THE LESS SUCCESSFUL YOU ARE.

no matter how good you are, you will always end up close to 50%.. and if you are really lucky, you will end up at 53%, or break even..and if you are unlucky, you can end up at 47% and get completely murdered.

YOU CAN'T WIN BY HANDICAPPING GAMES, BOYS..

Someone this passionate about the fact that handicapping is a waste of time and mere coin flipping is as good should be more interested in entering a contest that utilizes his mastery of line shopping...

[MonkeyF0cker]

Because he's a fraud, Dave. Simple as that.

[daggerkobe]

No, you didn't.

[Nicky Santoro]

davey,

don't be a wiseass.. i mean games like you bet... at the right price at -110.. then yes, i am right.. 1000%.. you dont bet games at -2.5 when line is -4.5 now.. or even -3.5.. you bet real line..

if anyone here bets real line at -110, then they have NO CHANCE at making money over the long haul....

you need edges to make money gambling..or you might as well just donate your money to charity..

[Jetsfan]

He wants stale lines because his integrity was questioned, and he was accused of cheating by using a legitimate Pinnacle line. It's clear that one guy bets at Pinnacle, the other bets at 5dimes. I think that might be an answer enough without going through 500 games.

Ironically, the one whom bets at 5dimes is the professional handicapper.

[I.R.B]

This contest would have never made it past 3weeks..

[daggerkobe]

He wants stale lines because his integrity was questioned, and he was accused of cheating by using a legitimate Pinnacle line. It's clear that one guy bets at Pinnacle, the other bets at 5dimes. I think that might be an answer enough without going through 500 games.

Ironically, the one whom bets at 5dimes is the professional handicapper.

Exactly.

LT first agreed to it even saying he'd be foolish not to accept... then reneged just a few posts later.

[Nicky Santoro]

Ironically, the one whom bets at 5dimes is the professional handicapper.

Jets,

first of all, this is crazy.. you are a nut, man.. For me to hear that LT is still betting at 5 dimes tells me he's a square.. anyone here will tell you that 5 dimes cuts you off if you have a clue.. i got cut off from them after 2 weeks and i didn't even win there. they cut me down to 50 bucks a game immediately.. LT is still betting there, so this tells me a lot. he cannot be that sharp if 5 dimes is still taking his business.. lol


#2, this guy here doesn't even have an acct at matchbook..lol.. any guy here that knows anything will tell you that if you dont have an acct at matchy, you're crazy.. every line LT puts up with his picks, matchy is alwys 5 cents better.. so he's not getting good #'s.. i have 60% of my bankroll in matchy. matchy gets 83% of my plays.. and LT doesn't even have an acct there... but an acct at 5dimes.. lol... i didnt even last 2 weeks there.. they cut me down to 50 bucks and i ddin't even win there.

[LT Profits]

Yes, I accepted initially without putting much thought into it. Once I thought about it, I realized that a contest with stale lines proves nothing and defeats the purpose of having this contest in the first place.

[LT Profits]

He wants stale lines because his integrity was questioned, and he was accused of cheating by using a legitimate Pinnacle line. It's clear that one guy bets at Pinnacle, the other bets at 5dimes. I think that might be an answer enough without going through 500 games.

Ironically, the one whom bets at 5dimes is the professional handicapper.

5 Dimes is just one of seven books that I play at, but I may give them all up for the chance to play at Pinny.

[MonkeyF0cker]

davey,

don't be a wiseass.. i mean games like you bet... at the right price at -110.. then yes, i am right.. 1000%.. you dont bet games at -2.5 when line is -4.5 now.. or even -3.5.. you bet real line..

if anyone here bets real line at -110, then they have NO CHANCE at making money over the long haul....

you need edges to make money gambling..or you might as well just donate your money to charity..

Exactly. So what does betting stale lines in a contest prove other than that you guarantee yourself an edge in a game? This was supposed to be a handicapping contest, wasn't it? Anyone can make money in the stock market if they can buy stocks at 4PM at 9AM prices. This is stupid. You are ducking this.

[durito]

I don't get it Nicky.

Wouldn't stale lines make it harder for you to win?

[MonkeyF0cker]

If Nicky were half a man, he'd accept the live lines offer simply to silence his critics like me. Otherwise he's simply trying to hide behind some ridiculous excuse...

[l7ustin]

yawn im done reading this lame shit. put up or shut up.

why cant you two just agree holy shit

[LT Profits]

If he let's go of stale lines, we'll have a contest. No sense doing it otherwise.

[jjgold]

Nicky might be the only professional gambler that posts here

LT I would not bet this guy in any contests, you have no chance

He gets the best line on like 90% of his plays and knows where line is moving.

[onthewhat]

2k over 7 months is nothing to Nicky, he would actually lose money by constantly worrying about posting his plays, he may miss betting opportunities while focusing on contest

over 7 months 2k is nothing to a pro like Nicky Santoro...

[MonkeyF0cker]

Let him prove it then, jj. He can't prove it with stale lines. And there are more than a handful of professional handicappers, let alone gamblers, here.

[Broke Sport Guy]

And there are more than a handful of professional handicappers here.

What % of those are wanna be ganchrows or yes-men?

[LT Profits]

Nicky might be the only professional gambler that posts here

LT I would not bet this guy in any contests, you have no chance

He gets the best line on like 90% of his plays and knows where line is moving.

And I would love to take him on in a contest where we both try and get the best lines. That is why stale lines prove nothing.

[onthewhat]

LT, Nicky proved on day 1 that he will bury you

Nicky gets best possible number, LT gets a number 4 points off

[rjt721]

If Nicky's in fact so sharp, let him prove it by agreeing to the reasonable contest rules drawn up by LT. Using stale lines is just absurd.

[LT Profits]

LT, Nicky proved on day 1 that he will bury you

Nicky gets best possible number, LT gets a number 4 points off

Bullshit. That is why I wanted the contest to take place and tried to plug up the rules so that it would happen. Personally, I would have made myself the favorite over 500 plays. Sadly, we will now never know.

[rjt721]

LT, Nicky proved on day 1 that he will bury you

Nicky gets best possible number, LT gets a number 4 points off

And yet LT was ahead after Day 1.

[Nicky Santoro]

Nicky gets best possible number, LT gets a number 4 points off

onner, you kidding me?? 4 pts off???????? LOL

more like half a pt off..

i took a good look at his plays and his numbers are right on.. he chases steam, that's it.. he's a steam chaser... Line opens up at 184, closes at 189.. LT has over 188.5... and all his hockey lines go against him or not move.. in all his 4 hockey plays yesterday, matchy had better prices by 5 cents on each.

I would school LT.. like i said, let LT follow my 3 rules, including raising stakes to 5k, and i am in.. I WILL NOT WASTE MY TIME FOR 2K with this guy and get the aggravation at same time..

[onthewhat]

And yet LT was ahead after Day 1.

2 plays vs 1

[MonkeyF0cker]

What % of those are wanna be ganchrows or yes-men?

Do you think Ganch invented advantage gambling? Or forecasting probability?

[Nicky Santoro]

onner, its not even 2-1................it's 2 units, to 1.83 units. he's up a total of 0.17 units.. LOL

[rjt721]

2 plays vs 1

Point is that it's ridiculous to come to a concrete conlusion after 1 or 2 plays. Maybe Nicky would have "buried" LT. Guess we'll never know. But I struggle to understand why Nicky won't agree to the rules when they're more than fair for both sides.

[MonkeyF0cker]

So what are you scared of, Nicky?

[daggerkobe]

LT agreed to the stale line saying "I'd be foolish not to accept".... then someone must've PM'd and told him it wasn't a good idea cause he backed out 5 mins later.

It's obvious these idiots backed the wrong guy and don't want him to embarrass them by being trounced.

[HedgeHog]

LT: Stop slumming with Nicky. You can make much more betting/selling your picks. Arguing with this prick would be time better spent handicapping, IMO

[donjuan]

Nicky gets best possible number

This is based on a one game sample size where he didn't even get the best number (it was +185)?

I'm pretty sure I've figured out Nicky's strategy to fool you all into thinking he is so amazing at always getting the best number:

1. Check lines during the day.
2. Wait until game time.
3. Find a game or two where it's at the best number it's been at since opener.
4. Post that as a bet.

However, there is a major problem with this strategy. If closing lines are efficient, like Nicky claims they are ("beating the closing number is all that matters"), then using that strategy he is simply paying the vig and will be a long term loser despite getting the best number.